tommy t:
Well i don’t see 17.4 million people just doing nothing or saying nothing can you, counter productive or not will they give a dam? if they block it or otherwise prevent us leaving the eu, they will have proved that talking and other non violent means don’t work with this shower, in fact they will have denied us democracy , even that looser cameron has said that they would not go against the voters wishes
I’m at least one of who thinks that saying and doing nothing would be the best option on the basis that there’s no way of forcing the National parliament into implementing a referendum vote that it was always going to be against.On that note Farage should have seen Cameron’s referendum scam for what it was.
Realistically it’s going to take a UKIP majority parliament to implement Brexit.Which can’t happen without at least a change in the electoral system to PR.In which case until then we were already denied democracy at the rate of 1 seat for 4 million votes.
Now compare that with UKIP’s PR elected MEP prescence in the European parliament joining forces with the FN and AfD and Orban etc to create a Confederal European parliament which gives them supremacy over Juncker’s Commissioner dictators and their EU puppet national ‘parliaments’,including the Westminster one full of EU Federalist puppets.IE the argument isn’t one of sovereignty for our own lost cause National parliament and so called ‘democracy’ but one of the choice between a dictatorial Federal Europe v democratic Confederal one.
As for Cameron saying that May wouldn’t go against the referendum vote.He also said that he didn’t believe that Turkey would be allowed to join the EU.While putting a remainer in as PM and second in command and refusing to invoke article 50 on the 24th June obviously isn’t exactly the best way of doing it even ‘if’ he was supposedly telling the truth for once.
anon84679660:
So, looks like another Brexit promise is not going to be delivered;
“Amber Rudd and Boris Johnson signal that aim to get net migration to below 100 000 has been abandoned” The Telegraph
There is clearly a need for a new referendum, so people can actually see what they are voting for
If they are going to ignore the instructions of the 17.4 million people who voted out then there is no point in another referendum, no point in holding any elections in the future politics are too corrupt and have lost all credibility, using the so called democracy and politics is a COMPLETE WASTE OF EVERYONE’S F’ING TIME!!! watch out rich pigs the poor are going to take your wealth away from you time the tory traitors were taught a lesson in democracy they think they are safe in the bs bubble, not against 17.4 million of us they ain’t
And i see that the tory graph doesn’t allow comments on stories like this i wonder why??? not
anon84679660:
So, looks like another Brexit promise is not going to be delivered;
“Amber Rudd and Boris Johnson signal that aim to get net migration to below 100 000 has been abandoned” The Telegraph
There is clearly a need for a new referendum, so people can actually see what they are voting for
So what WOULD we be voting for in any second referendum?
…Or is it a ruse to hold it just quicker than the Brexit camp can get their act or a believed argument together?
There are still far too many people all around Europe who want to “Remain” because they think “Better the devil you know”, clinging to the forelorn hope that the EU can be reformed. If we stay in it - they’ll never be a need to reform. If we leave it - it’ll HAVE to reform to keep the other countries in…
Think of the times that a wife one has divorced - turns into this fantastic sexpot and domestic goddess - AFTER you’ve done the split, and she’s firmly in with her new guy… You regret that she couldn’t be arsed to become this Heather Harman among women before you’d decided you’d had enough of her bull - and pulled the plug!
anon84679660:
So, looks like another Brexit promise is not going to be delivered;
“Amber Rudd and Boris Johnson signal that aim to get net migration to below 100 000 has been abandoned” The Telegraph
There is clearly a need for a new referendum, so people can actually see what they are voting for
If they are going to ignore the instructions of the 17.4 million people who voted out then there is no point in another referendum
^ This.
It was never an issue of the leave vote not seeing what we were voting for.We knew exactly what we were voting for and the leave manifesto was clear and easily deliverable outside of EEA membership status.Everything else is a question of implementation of a democratic instruction not another referendum.But we won’t get implementation under the current pro immigration government and undemocratic electoral system which we use to elect it.
On that note as I’ve said it would be easier for UKIP to make the European parliament and government a more democratic system than the lost cause National parliamentary one.
Winseer:
So what WOULD we be voting for in any second referendum?
…Or is it a ruse to hold it just quicker than the Brexit camp can get their act or a believed argument together?
There are still far too many people all around Europe who want to “Remain” because they think “Better the devil you know”, clinging to the forelorn hope that the EU can be reformed. If we stay in it - they’ll never be a need to reform. If we leave it - it’ll HAVE to reform to keep the other countries in…
Think of the times that a wife one has divorced - turns into this fantastic sexpot and domestic goddess - AFTER you’ve done the split, and she’s firmly in with her new guy… You regret that she couldn’t be arsed to become this Heather Harman among women before you’d decided you’d had enough of her bull - and pulled the plug!
Ironically in this case it might be easier to turn the frigid bossy Federal wife into the friendly Confederal raver by staying in.Bearing in mind we’ve already got the PR electoral system within the European parliament needed to do it.
Winseer:
So what WOULD we be voting for in any second referendum?
…Or is it a ruse to hold it just quicker than the Brexit camp can get their act or a believed argument together?
There are still far too many people all around Europe who want to “Remain” because they think “Better the devil you know”, clinging to the forelorn hope that the EU can be reformed. If we stay in it - they’ll never be a need to reform. If we leave it - it’ll HAVE to reform to keep the other countries in…
Think of the times that a wife one has divorced - turns into this fantastic sexpot and domestic goddess - AFTER you’ve done the split, and she’s firmly in with her new guy… You regret that she couldn’t be arsed to become this Heather Harman among women before you’d decided you’d had enough of her bull - and pulled the plug!
Ironically in this case it might be easier to turn the frigid bossy Federal wife into the friendly Confederal raver by staying in.Bearing in mind we’ve already got the PR electoral system within the European parliament needed to do it.
THAT is what we ended up doing with Farage though. Sending him to EUP with the largest number of MEPs for UKIP when denying him even a bloody parliamentary seat in our own government…
Well - He’s gone against the normal human nature greed thing - and done his “Turkey voting for Christmas” bit. It’s good that he gets to keep snapping at their heels over there as an individual “bank bencher” MEP for UKIP still - something that has not been getting any publicity. Same applies to Boris in his new job - he’s “good” meetings don’t get any leftie media coverage - just the ones with the gaffes… I understand he’s doing rather well with his “Eloquent French” and other lanuages he apparently has a pretty good command of… He might be a lot better a foreign secretary than ANY of us have been led to believe by the leaning media.
Winseer:
So what WOULD we be voting for in any second referendum?
…Or is it a ruse to hold it just quicker than the Brexit camp can get their act or a believed argument together?
There are still far too many people all around Europe who want to “Remain” because they think “Better the devil you know”, clinging to the forelorn hope that the EU can be reformed. If we stay in it - they’ll never be a need to reform. If we leave it - it’ll HAVE to reform to keep the other countries in…
Think of the times that a wife one has divorced - turns into this fantastic sexpot and domestic goddess - AFTER you’ve done the split, and she’s firmly in with her new guy… You regret that she couldn’t be arsed to become this Heather Harman among women before you’d decided you’d had enough of her bull - and pulled the plug!
Ironically in this case it might be easier to turn the frigid bossy Federal wife into the friendly Confederal raver by staying in.Bearing in mind we’ve already got the PR electoral system within the European parliament needed to do it.
THAT is what we ended up doing with Farage though. Sending him to EUP with the largest number of MEPs for UKIP when denying him even a bloody parliamentary seat in our own government…
Well - He’s gone against the normal human nature greed thing - and done his “Turkey voting for Christmas” bit. It’s good that he gets to keep snapping at their heels over there as an individual “bank bencher” MEP for UKIP still - something that has not been getting any publicity. Same applies to Boris in his new job - he’s “good” meetings don’t get any leftie media coverage - just the ones with the gaffes… I understand he’s doing rather well with his “Eloquent French” and other languages he apparently has a pretty good command of… He might be a lot better a foreign secretary than ANY of us have been led to believe by the leaning media.
Winseer:
THAT is what we ended up doing with Farage though. Sending him to EUP with the largest number of MEPs for UKIP when denying him even a bloody parliamentary seat in our own government…
Well - He’s gone against the normal human nature greed thing - and done his “Turkey voting for Christmas” bit. It’s good that he gets to keep snapping at their heels over there as an individual “bank bencher” MEP for UKIP still - something that has not been getting any publicity. Same applies to Boris in his new job - he’s “good” meetings don’t get any leftie media coverage - just the ones with the gaffes… I understand he’s doing rather well with his “Eloquent French” and other languages he apparently has a pretty good command of… He might be a lot better a foreign secretary than ANY of us have been led to believe by the leaning media.
I still don’t trust him
We sent him there to return sovereignty from the EU commissioners and Juncker etc to the ‘electorate’,not Cameron,May,Corbyn and all the rest of the no hopers in parliament.
Bearing in mind the electoral system giving UKIP one seat for 4 million votes and the Europhile make up of our parliament,it was foreseeable that the ‘electorate’ wasn’t the same thing as returning sovereignty to the ‘national parliament’.IE at best the cure was as bad as the disease in that case.At which point it was obvious that Cameron’s plan was a referendum which he knew could/would never be implement in the event of a leave vote.
Which leaves the question did Farage also realise that or not.If not why not and if so why did he rule out the option of getting exactly the same result by forming an alliance with people like Le Pen and going for a Confederal European constitution.Which would have given sovereignty to our MEP’s elected under the superior PR system.Instead of a referendum that Cameron and all the other Europhile Federalists in parliament knew they couldn’t lose.
Sorry I can’t sign that because I don’t agree with it, I’m keen for the UK to leave the EU but May has said she will invoke article 50 by the end of the year and I for one am prepared to wait and see what happens then.
I have signed it and posted it on a few sites as well. Cameron said he would invoke it the day after the vote but the yellow belly chickened out and resigned as he hadn’t got the bottle to do it. Sooner it is done the better we will be able to get on with it.
Why waste your time on a petition that won’t amount to anything?
Yes you’ll have enough signatures to get a discussion in Parliament, but all you will get in response is “we are leaving in a planned and structured manner” END OF!!!
Signing a petition like this in an attempt to force the government, is really no different than those signing a petition to get another referendum.
It’s a counterproductive idea because the remainers will twist,disillusionment among the leave vote on the basis we’re wasting our time,as support for the remainers idea of ignoring the referendum vote.
Realistically if the Conservatives had any intention of doing it they’d have done it on 24th June.
We’d be better off letting her ignore it then let UKIP take on the EU from within from the moral high ground of the EU’s supporters having been proved to be undemocratic in nature in taking advantage of the UK’s flawed electoral system to over rule a referendum vote.Just like the Federal governmental system they are trying to impose on Europe’s population.
There was an interesting mention on a news programme on the wireless the other day, where a politician mentioned that they needed a parliamentary vote on Brexit, because the referendum is not legally binding…
Funny how all the really vocal leave politicians have either ■■■■■■ off, or been silenced with nice cushy jobs.
Theresa May wants the UK to remain in the EU.
Do the maths. Bar a violent revolution, we ain’t going anywhere.
Carryfast:
It’s a counterproductive idea because the remainers will twist,disillusionment among the leave vote on the basis we’re wasting our time,as support for the remainers idea of ignoring the referendum vote.
Realistically if the Conservatives had any intention of doing it they’d have done it on 24th June.
We’d be better off letting her ignore it then let UKIP take on the EU from within from the moral high ground of the EU’s supporters having been proved to be undemocratic in nature in taking advantage of the UK’s flawed electoral system to over rule a referendum vote.Just like the Federal governmental system they are trying to impose on Europe’s population.
Evil8Beezle:
Signing a petition like this in an attempt to force the government, is really no different than those signing a petition to get another referendum.
To be fair there’s a lot more justification for the Leave vote to try to force the government to implement the electorate’s democratic decision.Than the remainers trying to force the government to ignore it.
While it was always going to be a naive flawed idea to return UKIP’s prescence in the EU parliament to the Europhile one in the national parliament.IE we don’t need Brexit anyway when it’s the EU constitution,which the UK parliament supports,which was always the real problem.Which UKIP could have solved easier from within.
