May has zero intention of taking us out of the EU , or should that be the establishment elites who tell her what to do won’t let us leave it
She thinks sharia law is a good thing for the country, and has failed n her last post as H.O minister ,and you trust her? 
Bluey Circles:
Carryfast:
What a surprise.Bearing in mind that the SNP will never be ‘on board’ for Brexit and we don’t even need to invoke article 50 anyway.So how does the lying Conservative cow square that with what Davis said.So there we have it we now know the tactic she’s going to use to over turn the vote.IE the Conservative Party Constitution won’t allow a Conservative government to break England from Scotland and Scotland won’t allow England to leave the EU.Which is why she made such a big thing about the Unionist side of the Con Party constitution.
If we want to leave we’ll need to do mission impossible of voting in a pro English independence Nationalist Labour Party under the present electoral system and obviously not before 2020.
I’m taking May at her word, I believe we are coming out of the full EU as voted for and a screaming and kicking Scotland will be leaving too, Sturgeon (who I mostly like) is not going to be happy and I reckon a second indyRef is on the cards.
I’m north of the border and the impression I am getting from those who I know who voted to stay within the EU, although disappointed in the Brexit their opinions on an indy Scotland remain the same, they still don’t wish to leaver the UK.
Are you saying that 1) they on board for non EEA member state together with UK.
Or that 2 May will prioritise Brexit over risking a Scottish independence referendum vote bearing in mind her making it clear to the Eurosceptic Cons that they’ve signed up to a Unionist constitution.Trust me the answer to 2 at least is no.
This is inevitably heading for a two way cluster zb between the Leave vote as opposed to Remain Scots and their mostly Europhile Unionist Conservative remain allies.With the leave vote being made up of a mostly Nationalist Protectionist Labour vote that can’t possibly be reflected in the National parliament or be of any interest to the Conservatives.
On that note Brexit is toast and Farage knew it from the point when he walked away.The real question being at his pay grade why didn’t he foresee that situation and go for a Confederal Europe by holding onto his European MEP group position instead.The clue being that he had more in common with Cameron than Le Pen. 
tommy t:
May has zero intention of taking us out of the EU , or should that be the establishment elites who tell her what to do won’t let us leave itShe thinks sharia law is a good thing for the country, and has failed n her last post as H.O minister ,and you trust her?
It’s fair to say that ‘something’ made Farage walk way.The only logical conclusion being that he’d totally over looked the contradiction in trying to return powers of Sovereignty to a National Parliament that as a majority doesn’t want it and it then finally dawned on him.Obviously that fact hasn’t got through to Britten though.Yet. 
Carryfast:
tommy t:
May has zero intention of taking us out of the EU , or should that be the establishment elites who tell her what to do won’t let us leave itShe thinks sharia law is a good thing for the country, and has failed n her last post as H.O minister ,and you trust her?
It’s fair to say that ‘something’ made Farage walk way.The only logical conclusion being that he’d totally over looked the contradiction in trying to return powers of Sovereignty to a National Parliament that as a majority doesn’t want it and it then finally dawned on him.Obviously that fact hasn’t got through to Britten though.Yet.
he walked away to get his life back, he walked away as he achieved his life’s ambition, over 20 years he has fought to get out of the eu, that is 20 years of being laughed at, being called all the racist scum names going, by the anti English racist scum who are free to be able to vent there anger and hate towards people who dont want huge numbers of ethnics taking over etc
its not so easy being as welcome as a ■■■■ in an astronaut suit all the time, if there is one thing i do think made his mind up to get out and get out fast, it would be for his own personal safety, given what happened to the labour mp who was murdered, it doesn’t seem such a far-fetched idea that there might be someone out there who will not accept the leave vote someone with such a passion like a muslin human bomber who would stop at nothing to be the hero and take out farage
if i was in farage shoes who has to pay for his own protection etc i would to keep my head down low and let the anger in people try to die down
also i honestly think the guy has come to the end of his road he can do no more. if ukip carry on now trying to form a different sort of party then i think thats the way forward and if this government drags its feet and if we are still in the dam eu in 4 years time or 6 years time then there will be a great place for a party like ukip that will of course be out there shouting loudly of how this government has not done what they said they would do.
my gut feeling is they will stand by what they have said and we will be out of the eu at the end of the year one way or another and the free movement of people will be a thing of the past the german fat ugly bint will not get her way this time
desypete:
my gut feeling is they will stand by what they have said and we will be out of the eu at the end of the year one way or another and the free movement of people will be a thing of the past the german fat ugly bint will not get her way this time
That’s an optimistic view desy.Sadly against all that is the issue of May’s and Hammond’s remain credentials,allied to the Scottish remain question v Unionist Conservative agenda,and a National Parliament that as a cross party majority doesn’t actually want the National Sovereignty that Farage has tried to return to it.With no way of reflecting that Leave referendum vote in terms of parliamentary MP’s.
The fact that he possibly rightly fears for his safety regarding possible hostile acts by the European Federalist agenda says everything about the frightening situation that threatens the future of Europe.On that note there was nothing to lose by forgetting about Brexit and staying where he was with his UKIP MEP prescence in the European parliament and building a European Nationalist alliance against the Federalist agenda.IE it’s a European problem that will take a European solution.It can’t be solved within the National parliament which is actually part of that problem.
I am starting to think there will be an election in some way to wangle getting out of the leave vote, if there is another in or out vote because of new conditions I do not think Scotland should be included because they will get independence in a few years so they will be out of the ball game
desypete:
Carryfast:
tommy t:
May has zero intention of taking us out of the EU , or should that be the establishment elites who tell her what to do won’t let us leave itShe thinks sharia law is a good thing for the country, and has failed n her last post as H.O minister ,and you trust her?
It’s fair to say that ‘something’ made Farage walk way.The only logical conclusion being that he’d totally over looked the contradiction in trying to return powers of Sovereignty to a National Parliament that as a majority doesn’t want it and it then finally dawned on him.Obviously that fact hasn’t got through to Britten though.Yet.
he walked away to get his life back, he walked away as he achieved his life’s ambition, over 20 years he has fought to get out of the eu, that is 20 years of being laughed at, being called all the racist scum names going, by the anti English racist scum who are free to be able to vent there anger and hate towards people who dont want huge numbers of ethnics taking over etc
He may of got his life back , but he did not get us out of the EU, apart from the leave vote being the majority nothing has changed So how has he achieved his goal that he waited 20yrs for, yes the establishment got a smack in the nose, but it re elected it’s self (May as PM) So ding ding round 2, we won a battle but not the war, he should of stayed on to see this through, maybe he was pushed , because ukip sponsors didn’t think with him in charge they could win a GE■■?, Or both farage and sponsor were bought off by the establishment
Cannot see a general election … what will probably happen is the negotiations for getting out of the EU and then when it looks like where not going to get a good enough deal, then a general election will get called and it will be touted as vote for us and where stay in the EU…
As for the krankie having a meeting with May to discuss Scotland’s future…whilst they can be involved in the possible ideas on the deal, they must remember they aren’t deciding party… Cannot see how they are expecting to stay EU…it will just have to be a simple case of towing the line and if there not happy with the exit…suspend all funding and investments …second referendum time and let the Scottish people to decide to stay or go… and if its go then they pay the price…losing UK companies investments, the hundreds of millions the EU will demand and I don’t think there’s enough coffers in there bank to cover it…
We leave the EU the moment we start breaking their laws, and ignoring them in all things other than what’s done in the name of “cordial relations”. We have cordial relations with Tonga and such places - and we don’t obey any of THEIR rules do we?
The options are very simple: (1) We do not trade at all with the EU, and they lose making a profit by selling stuff to US, or (2) We trade with them tariff and membership free, which makes a mockery of the contributions still paid by France and Italy in particular.
Politically, (2) is impossible for the EU commission, as it would wreck the entire project.
(1) is therefore the way to go - they cannot stop us if we re-establish ALL our foreign trade routes with non-EU countries. We’re an island with a considerable merchant navy still. How hard can it be?
Talk of “cannot leave for x years” is ■■■■■■■■ - since we’ve already left, but the richard heads in whitehall have yet to cancel the standing order which we should NOT be paying already.
The best way to “get that money” regardless of if it is £350 a week or any other amount - by NOT paying it over.
If we’re stupid enough to keep on paying “because some trade routes are still in transit” - then bigger fools us. There’s really NO need.
We “Get back control” the moment we STOP paying that money then.
Theresa May seems to have gone for the “I’m an unpopular PM until 2020” option thinking she’ll end up the same as Gordon Brown. FFS if she’d just do what it said on the bloody brexit tin - she’d easily win any election called at any point between now and this time next year - let alone 2020!
Already putting Remainer cronies into too many of the top jobs (“half” was the maximum most would countenance!) means that it’s all the harder to stop any payments now. We don’t have a Brexiteer chancellor or home secretary. What’s Boris going to do other then set up the NEW trade routes? - He has no power over those currently in effect, and therefore cannot very well cancel them can he?
We MUST BREAK EU LAWS to leave the EU. Trying to do it “lawfully” or “by the book” or “at EU convienience” or “at Remainer convienience” or “with Sturgeons backing” - let’s face it - is NEVER going to happen.
I hope UKIP are busy getting candidates ready for all 650 parliamentary seats - now we all know which way the wind is blowing. 
tommy t:
Or both farage and sponsor were bought off by the establishment
The last interview I saw with him on the news recently suggested that desy was closer to the truth in that regard.IE he was just too quiet to the point of seeming zb scared of something.‘Warned’ off being more like it.
Winseer:
We MUST BREAK EU LAWS to leave the EU. Trying to do it “lawfully” or “by the book” or “at EU convienience” or “at Remainer convienience” or “with Sturgeons backing” - let’s face it - is NEVER going to happen.I hope UKIP are busy getting candidates ready for all 650 parliamentary seats - now we all know which way the wind is blowing.
According to Gerard Batten we don’t need to break any laws anyway we can just walk away from article 50 and there’s nothing the EU can do about it.What would he know he’s just an MEP.As for UKIP how can they win 650 seats at a rate of 4 million votes per seat.
Winseer:
We leave the EU the moment we start breaking their laws, and ignoring them in all things other than what’s done in the name of “cordial relations”. We have cordial relations with Tonga and such places - and we don’t obey any of THEIR rules do we?The options are very simple: (1) We do not trade at all with the EU, and they lose making a profit by selling stuff to US, or (2) We trade with them tariff and membership free, which makes a mockery of the contributions still paid by France and Italy in particular.
Politically, (2) is impossible for the EU commission, as it would wreck the entire project.
(1) is therefore the way to go - they cannot stop us if we re-establish ALL our foreign trade routes with non-EU countries. We’re an island with a considerable merchant navy still. How hard can it be?
Talk of “cannot leave for x years” is ■■■■■■■■ - since we’ve already left, but the richard heads in whitehall have yet to cancel the standing order which we should NOT be paying already.
The best way to “get that money” regardless of if it is £350 a week or any other amount - by NOT paying it over.
If we’re stupid enough to keep on paying “because some trade routes are still in transit” - then bigger fools us. There’s really NO need.
We “Get back control” the moment we STOP paying that money then.
Theresa May seems to have gone for the “I’m an unpopular PM until 2020” option thinking she’ll end up the same as Gordon Brown. FFS if she’d just do what it said on the bloody brexit tin - she’d easily win any election called at any point between now and this time next year - let alone 2020!
Already putting Remainer cronies into too many of the top jobs (“half” was the maximum most would countenance!) means that it’s all the harder to stop any payments now. We don’t have a Brexiteer chancellor or home secretary. What’s Boris going to do other then set up the NEW trade routes? - He has no power over those currently in effect, and therefore cannot very well cancel them can he?
We MUST BREAK EU LAWS to leave the EU. Trying to do it “lawfully” or “by the book” or “at EU convienience” or “at Remainer convienience” or “with Sturgeons backing” - let’s face it - is NEVER going to happen.
I hope UKIP are busy getting candidates ready for all 650 parliamentary seats - now we all know which way the wind is blowing.
I’ve already sent an email to our local leader about standing in my ward, as we didn’t have one at the last election
Carryfast:
tommy t:
Or both farage and sponsor were bought off by the establishmentThe last interview I saw with him on the news recently suggested that desy was closer to the truth in that regard.IE he was just too quiet to the point of seeming zb scared of something.‘Warned’ off being more like it.
They will of given him a choice take the money or face the consequences
Philip Hammond has said Britain will come out the single market as part of its decision to leave the EU, but will negotiate access to the bloc.
“We will come out of the single market as a result of our decision to leave the European Union," Theresa May’s new Chancellor told LBC.
“The question is how we negotiate with the European Union, not from the point of view of being members of it but from the point of view of being close neighbours and trade partners of it."
He added: “I would like to see us negotiating access to the single market for Britain’s businesses, so we can go on selling our goods and services into the European Union market and indeed enjoying the benefits of consuming European Union goods and services here as we do now.”
Carryfast:
Winseer:
We MUST BREAK EU LAWS to leave the EU. Trying to do it “lawfully” or “by the book” or “at EU convienience” or “at Remainer convienience” or “with Sturgeons backing” - let’s face it - is NEVER going to happen.I hope UKIP are busy getting candidates ready for all 650 parliamentary seats - now we all know which way the wind is blowing.
According to Gerard Batten we don’t need to break any laws anyway we can just walk away from article 50 and there’s nothing the EU can do about it.What would he know he’s just an MEP.As for UKIP how can they win 650 seats at a rate of 4 million votes per seat.
There are not 2.6 billion people on this island. In our flawed, but long-standing first past the post system - there is a tipping point at which there is an avalanche of seats changing hands.
At the last election, it was considered for example that a “small” swing to UKIP would wipe out the centre ground… And this happened.
A “large” swing to UKIP is therefore whatever extra swing is needed on top of last time, as there is no sign whatsoever that the Libdems are winning back ANY of their lost 49 seats as of yet.
Our best bet right now is for the 1922 committee to make Theresa May the “Lady Jane Grey” of Westminster… That’ll be her gone by the close of business this coming friday. 
Brexit cannot happen with remainers as PM AND chancellor AND Home Secretary.
David Davis and Boris Johnson cannot really get anything done - with the need for everything needing to be rubber-stamped by one or more of the other three.
YES we can walk away from the need to do article 50 - which we do the moment we stop paying the money to Brussels. Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
OVLOV JAY:
Winseer:
We leave the EU the moment we start breaking their laws, and ignoring them in all things other than what’s done in the name of “cordial relations”. We have cordial relations with Tonga and such places - and we don’t obey any of THEIR rules do we?The options are very simple: (1) We do not trade at all with the EU, and they lose making a profit by selling stuff to US, or (2) We trade with them tariff and membership free, which makes a mockery of the contributions still paid by France and Italy in particular.
Politically, (2) is impossible for the EU commission, as it would wreck the entire project.
(1) is therefore the way to go - they cannot stop us if we re-establish ALL our foreign trade routes with non-EU countries. We’re an island with a considerable merchant navy still. How hard can it be?
Talk of “cannot leave for x years” is ■■■■■■■■ - since we’ve already left, but the richard heads in whitehall have yet to cancel the standing order which we should NOT be paying already.
The best way to “get that money” regardless of if it is £350 a week or any other amount - by NOT paying it over.
If we’re stupid enough to keep on paying “because some trade routes are still in transit” - then bigger fools us. There’s really NO need.
We “Get back control” the moment we STOP paying that money then.
Theresa May seems to have gone for the “I’m an unpopular PM until 2020” option thinking she’ll end up the same as Gordon Brown. FFS if she’d just do what it said on the bloody brexit tin - she’d easily win any election called at any point between now and this time next year - let alone 2020!
Already putting Remainer cronies into too many of the top jobs (“half” was the maximum most would countenance!) means that it’s all the harder to stop any payments now. We don’t have a Brexiteer chancellor or home secretary. What’s Boris going to do other then set up the NEW trade routes? - He has no power over those currently in effect, and therefore cannot very well cancel them can he?
We MUST BREAK EU LAWS to leave the EU. Trying to do it “lawfully” or “by the book” or “at EU convienience” or “at Remainer convienience” or “with Sturgeons backing” - let’s face it - is NEVER going to happen.
I hope UKIP are busy getting candidates ready for all 650 parliamentary seats - now we all know which way the wind is blowing.
I’ve already sent an email to our local leader about standing in my ward, as we didn’t have one at the last election
Funny you should say that - I might consider standing in mine, rather than the Doc who didn’t win the seat last time. This country needs transport and trade experts right now - and there are a few of them to be had among our very own number I reckon! 
Dolph:
Philip Hammond has said Britain will come out the single market as part of its decision to leave the EU, but will negotiate access to the bloc.“We will come out of the single market as a result of our decision to leave the European Union," Theresa May’s new Chancellor told LBC.
“The question is how we negotiate with the European Union, not from the point of view of being members of it but from the point of view of being close neighbours and trade partners of it."
He added: “I would like to see us negotiating access to the single market for Britain’s businesses, so we can go on selling our goods and services into the European Union market and indeed enjoying the benefits of consuming European Union goods and services here as we do now.”
There’s no reason to invoke and wait for article 50 to be discharged in that.It’s an almost overnight move.IE no article 50,no EEA.We join Switzerland in EFTA in dictating terms in the form of access to the single market for EFTA member states to be signed by the EU by Friday 21/7/2016 take it or leave it.We’re out.
tommy t:
They will of given him a choice take the money or face the consequences
+1
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Philip Hammond has said Britain will come out the single market as part of its decision to leave the EU, but will negotiate access to the bloc.“We will come out of the single market as a result of our decision to leave the European Union," Theresa May’s new Chancellor told LBC.
“The question is how we negotiate with the European Union, not from the point of view of being members of it but from the point of view of being close neighbours and trade partners of it."
He added: “I would like to see us negotiating access to the single market for Britain’s businesses, so we can go on selling our goods and services into the European Union market and indeed enjoying the benefits of consuming European Union goods and services here as we do now.”
There’s no reason to invoke and wait for article 50 to be discharged in that.It’s an almost overnight move.IE no article 50,no EEA.We join Switzerland in EFTA in dictating terms in the form of access to the single market for EFTA member states to be signed by the EU by Friday 21/7/2016 take it or leave it.We’re out.
Well you voted out, you must have balls to start the stupid article 50, not after October, not by the next year. You have to put your money where your mouth is.
Your plan is a child play, EFTA member by friday…yeah Im Santa by the way 
Winseer:
Our best bet right now is for the 1922 committee to make Theresa May the “Lady Jane Grey” of Westminster… That’ll be her gone by the close of business this coming friday.Brexit cannot happen with remainers as PM AND chancellor AND Home Secretary.
David Davis and Boris Johnson cannot really get anything done - with the need for everything needing to be rubber-stamped by one or more of the other three.
YES we can walk away from the need to do article 50 - which we do the moment we stop paying the money to Brussels. Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
+1.