Dolph:
I agree with CF on the note that article 50 might not be invoked soon if at all.
"Theresa May, who will take office on Wednesday, has said she will not trigger article 50 before the end of the year, in order to give the British government time to work out its negotiating strategy.
The obvious question then being isn’t that what the two year period provides and is for anyway.She is a typical lying Conservative politician.Just Thatcher before her and like Cameron regarding the Turkish membership question.On that note as I said be careful what you wish for.Bearing in mind that with UKIP now out of the frame the Anti Federalist side within the EU parliament has been severely weakened while Juncker’s and Merkel’s hand has been correspondingly strengthened.
Why all this nonsence about us needing to have access to this single market which will mean not leaving the EU , as imo EEA isn’t leaving the EU
What a surprise.An ethnic Polish Communist and East German stasi Hag trying to impose the Communist East German definition of ‘democracy’ on Europe.In this case using the usual empty threats of a trade war from a position of trade surplus weakness.
The leave mandate being based on the full return of sovereignty and therefore an end to free movement and therefore not EEA membership,is a fact not an ‘opinion’.
If I was David Davis, the negotiation would go like this: “Hello Mr Juncker, would you like to continue trading without 2 way tariffs, to the benefit of your members, leaving us with no financial or labour movement obligations”.
Juncker: “Non. You must pay us, and accept free movement to avoid tariffs. I suggest the eea”.
Davis: “No thanks mush, we will be here when you have a serious offer”.
Then sit back and wait for the eu states to put pressure on Brussels. Either they give in, then the whole project falls apart as members scramble to leave, or they stand firm and the same thing happens as the French and Germans won’t let their economies suffer for the project. They both have elections next year and Brexit could spark an uprising of the eurosceptic causes.
I think if we stand firm the whole project will fall apart. I hope we don’t buckle.
OVLOV JAY:
Then sit back and wait for the eu states to put pressure on Brussels. Either they give in, then the whole project falls apart as members scramble to leave, or they stand firm and the same thing happens as the French and Germans won’t let their economies suffer for the project. They both have elections next year and Brexit could spark an uprising of the eurosceptic causes.
I think if we stand firm the whole project will fall apart. I hope we don’t buckle.
This isn’t a case of Davis ‘buckling’.It’ll be more a case of May ‘telling’ him to play for time.In the hope that the Leave side loses interest in a pre planned agenda of either kicking Brexit into the long grass during this parliament’s tenure or going for EEA membership.In either case May has made it clear that she’s got no intention of inadvertently helping any FN,AfD,Austrian Freedom etc Nationalist agenda in Europe.Or even the SNP’s at home by upsetting Sturgeon regards leaving the EU.While ironically Farage has shown that he was also actually on Cameron’s side when push came to shove in helping Le Pen and the FN.As it stands Juncker and Merkel’s grip on Europe is now stronger than ever.With May and Hammond having taken over the initiative from Farage to carry on with Cameron’s agenda.While only a radical Nationalist split,in the form of a breakaway Labour Nationalist group,can probably help turn the tide now.
The trade market works both ways… it will be more damaging to the EU counties if they refuse to trade with the UK…
As far as freedom of movement goes, Don’t see why this nation should be blackmailed by the EU…
Whilst hollandaise is voicing that its the intention to punish the UK and we wont be allowed to profit from the exit…
Think its also alot to do with the 15 odd billion that there going to be light in the EU fund… and I seriously think the government really want to cut back on the amount of foreign aid,as thats was last reported at about 13 billion…Better the money spent over here
And mean while the Europe’s stricken banking sector needs a £128billion bailout to stave off collapse, the chief economist at its biggest lender has warned.Folkerts-Landau spoke out as a report by the International Monetary Fund raised fresh fears for the anaemic Italian economy.
The nation is struggling its way back towards growth after a ‘deep and protracted recession’, IMF experts said.
Its economy expanded by 0.8 per cent last year after shrinking in the two previous, and is predicted to grow by 1.1 per cent in 2016.
But this recovery could be derailed by the nation’s teetering banks, which are sitting on a £307billion bad-debt time bomb
Prime Minister Matteo Renzi seized on Brexit as an opportunity to beg for the right to launch a bailout, but his demands were rebuffed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Swampey2418:
The trade market works both ways… it will be more damaging to the EU counties if they refuse to trade with the UK…
As far as freedom of movement goes, Don’t see why this nation should be blackmailed by the EU…
Whilst hollandaise is voicing that its the intention to punish the UK and we wont be allowed to profit from the exit…
Think its also alot to do with the 15 odd billion that there going to be light in the EU fund… and I seriously think the government really want to cut back on the amount of foreign aid,as thats was last reported at about 13 billion…Better the money spent over here
That’s all based on the probably erroneous premise that May has any intention of getting into any arguments with the EU.As opposed to carrying on with Cameron’s policy of tacit co operation with Merkel’s and Juncker’s agenda at our expense.IE as in the case of all Federalists holding the Federation together is the priority not the national interest and the idea of the Nation State.Whether it’s screwing England to maintain the the UK or screwing the UK to maintain the EU.Just as has been Conservative policy since 1973 to date.
Makes no sense.What is it that can’t be done in two years that can only be done in two years and five months.IE what’s so critical about those extra few months.Meanwhile if the statements that there will be no back tracking are true then Davis can obviously issue an official statement that EEA membership is off the table regardless of what takes place during any further ‘negotiations’ with the EU.
As for Farage his credibility would have been a lot better if he hadn’t decided to walk away at the most crucial point in the Brexit process and then stood his ground on both the issues of immediate invoking of article 50 and the question of an unequivocal statement regards EEA being off the table.
Makes no sense.What is it that can’t be done in two years that can only be done in two years and five months.IE what’s so critical about those extra few months.Meanwhile if the statements that there will be no back tracking are true then Davis can obviously issue an official statement that EEA membership is off the table regardless of what takes place during any further ‘negotiations’ with the EU.
As for Farage his credibility would have been a lot better if he hadn’t decided to walk away at the most crucial point in the Brexit process and then stood his ground on both the issues of immediate invoking of article 50 and the question of an unequivocal statement regards EEA being off the table.
Agreed It’s a little suspicious that he walked before the uk actually left the EU, after him fighting for all that time you would of thought he would want to see it through, i know i would,there’s no way i would of walked away after that long, All this delaying is getting beyond a joke now, we just just leave as soon as we have other trade deals in place f*** fatima/junker shultz & the EU (not literally btw !! stop paying into their doomed club each day and lets get on with it
tommy t:
Agreed It’s a little suspicious that he walked before the uk actually left the EU, after him fighting for all that time you would of thought he would want to see it through, i know i would,there’s no way i would of walked away after that long,
I think article 50 prevents any move to reverse the act until the provisions of article 50 have been discharged first ?.Having said that the EU’s continuing belligerent comments could be viewed as an attempt to subvert the leaving process and thereby article 50 and therefore we’re no longer going to recognise it or be bound by it.
The fact is there are too many remain interests within which are obviously intent on delaying and making the leaving process as difficult as possible if not reversing it.
I think article 50 prevents any move to reverse the act until the provisions of article 50 have been discharged first ?.Having said that the EU’s continuing belligerent comments could be viewed as an attempt to subvert the leaving process and thereby article 50 and therefore we’re no longer going to recognise it or be bound by it.
The fact is there are too many remain interests within which are obviously intent on delaying and making the leaving process as difficult as possible if not reversing it.
Carryfast:
I think article 50 prevents any move to reverse the act until the provisions of article 50 have been discharged first ?.Having said that the EU’s continuing belligerent comments could be viewed as an attempt to subvert the leaving process and thereby article 50 and therefore we’re no longer going to recognise it or be bound by it.
The fact is there are too many remain interests within which are obviously intent on delaying and making the leaving process as difficult as possible if not reversing it.
In other words the whole leaving process being sold to the Leave vote has just been a bs fabricated lie in order to play for time with no other possible reason than to reverse the vote in whatever way.
So yet even more reason to ask the question why did Farage want to accept Cameron’s agenda and then walk away at the most important point in the process.Instead of standing his ground and listening to the wishes of his own MEP’s by ditching the idea of adhering to the provisions of article 50 altogether.
Thereby letting down both his own MEP’s and his electorate.
Having said that like Farage’s whole Brexit agenda the flaw in Britten’s agenda is that the National Parliament is a majority remain institution.IE it has no intention of implementing Brexit. At which the point the realisation should have been forget it and change tactics to co operating with European Nationalist groups to create a Confederal European Parliament.Thereby circumventing the Europhile Federalist UK parliament in addition to taking advantage of the European Parliament’s PR electoral system.
Wont be long till those 17.2 million leave voters start to get nasty and teach them a lesson they wont forget, the sooner the better, time the Scottish got rid of the crankie
Of course she has to get the scots on board, if Scotland get another referendum and vote for independence and then rejoin the EU then England would be faced with a choice
England would have to either set up passport control on the Scottish borders which will obviously be a logistical nightmare or would have to join the Schengen zone , and therefore have no passport control in France
What a surprise.Bearing in mind that the SNP will never be ‘on board’ for Brexit and we don’t even need to invoke article 50 anyway.So how does the lying Conservative cow square that with what Davis said.
So there we have it we now know the tactic she’s going to use to over turn the vote.IE the Conservative Party Constitution won’t allow a Conservative government to break England from Scotland and Scotland won’t allow England to leave the EU.Which is why she made such a big thing about the Unionist side of the Con Party constitution.
If we want to leave we’ll need to do mission impossible of voting in a pro English independence Nationalist Labour Party under the present electoral system and obviously not before 2020.
chrisdalott:
Of course she has to get the scots on board, if Scotland get another referendum and vote for independence and then rejoin the EU then England would be faced with a choice
England would have to either set up passport control on the Scottish borders which will obviously be a logistical nightmare or would have to join the Schengen zone , and therefore have no passport control in France
Why would it be any more of a ‘logistical nightmare’ than the border between Sweden and Norway or Switzerland and all of its four EU neighbours.
While it’s obvious that we could also settle the issue by Scotland going for EEA member state as part of a Confederal UK and us not.
Or could it just be that,like May and Hammond,you’re just another remainer trying to grasp at straws,by putting up non existent obstacles,to over turn a democratic vote.
chrisdalott:
Of course she has to get the scots on board, if Scotland get another referendum and vote for independence and then rejoin the EU then England would be faced with a choice
England would have to either set up passport control on the Scottish borders which will obviously be a logistical nightmare or would have to join the Schengen zone , and therefore have no passport control in France
Balls to what the crankie & SNP wants as it does not represent what the Scottish people want they don’t want to be in the sodding EU just like us, and nor do they want to be totally independence from the UK ,and the crankie has already been told to do one by bruxelles anyway even they know she’s deluded
Carryfast:
What a surprise.Bearing in mind that the SNP will never be ‘on board’ for Brexit and we don’t even need to invoke article 50 anyway.So how does the lying Conservative cow square that with what Davis said.
So there we have it we now know the tactic she’s going to use to over turn the vote.IE the Conservative Party Constitution won’t allow a Conservative government to break England from Scotland and Scotland won’t allow England to leave the EU.Which is why she made such a big thing about the Unionist side of the Con Party constitution.
If we want to leave we’ll need to do mission impossible of voting in a pro English independence Nationalist Labour Party under the present electoral system and obviously not before 2020.
I’m taking May at her word, I believe we are coming out of the full EU as voted for and a screaming and kicking Scotland will be leaving too, Sturgeon (who I mostly like) is not going to be happy and I reckon a second indyRef is on the cards.
I’m north of the border and the impression I am getting from those who I know who voted to stay within the EU, although disappointed in the Brexit their opinions on an indy Scotland remain the same, they still don’t wish to leaver the UK.
!! stop paying into their doomed club each day and lets get on with it
