In or Out- the EU referendum mega thread

[dolph]

Something I found interesting as a comment under an article for May - Renzi talks.

Note that the exit agreement and a new UK-EU trade deal are legally two SEPARATE issues, also with different voting rules. The trade negotiations can only start AFTER the UK exits the EU.

This is the unanimous position of all EU-27 leaders plus Tusk and Juncker (see the statement below), the position of the European Parliament (the resolution adopted by 395 votes for, 200 against, 71 abstain) and the position of the European Commission (see the statements of the trade commissioner below).

The statement of the EU-27 leaders (see below) explains the phases of UK’s exit from the EU:

(1) The UK has to trigger Article 50.

(2) Negotiations about the exit agreement (with the two-year deadline). A qualified majority of the EU-27 is required for the agreement to be valid (at least 20 of the 27 EU members representing at least 65% of the EU-27 population; both criteria have to be met). Note that these negotiations will NOT be about the future trading relationship between the UK and the EU, but rather only about disentangling the UK from the EU: how to handle the running projects in the UK which are funded by the EU, what happens to the Ireland-UK border (which will become an outer EU border), what will be the status of the EU citizens living in the UK and the UK citizens living in the EU, for how long the EU will allow the UK citizens to use their passports with the ‘EU’ label before they become invalid travel documents, which EU agencies will move from the UK to the EU, how much money the UK still owes to the EU budget etc. etc.

(3) The UK formally leaves the EU = becomes a ‘third country’ with respect to the EU, a non-EU member without any trade agreement with the EU. The trade between the UK and the EU is based on the WTO rules.

(4) There may be negotiations about a new trade agreement between the UK and the EU. If the UK wants access to the single market, it will have to accept free movement of people. 100% consent of all 27 EU members needed = EACH EU member holds a veto right. In case of a trade deal via EEA, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein also hold a veto right. The ratification procedure alone (AFTER the negotiations are finished) takes two years.

We, the Heads of State or Government of 27 Member States, as well as the Presidents of the European Council and the European Commission [= PMs or presidents of 27 EU members plus Tusk and Juncker] …

There is a need to organise the withdrawal of the UK from the EU in an orderly fashion. Article 50 TEU provides the legal basis for this process. It is up to the British government to notify the European Council of the UK’s intention to withdraw from the Union. This should be done as quickly as possible. There can be no negotiations of any kind before this notification has taken place. …

In the future, we hope to have the UK as a close partner of the EU and we look forward to the UK stating its intentions in this respect. Any agreement, which will be concluded with the UK as a third country [= AFTER the UK formally leaves the EU], will have to be based on a balance of rights and obligations. Access to the Single Market requires acceptance of all four freedoms.
Statement from the informal EU-27 summit on 29 June 2016.

The European Parliament … recalls that any new relationship between the UK and the EU may not be agreed before the conclusion of the withdrawal agreement.
From the European Parliament resolution of 28 June 2016 on the decision to leave the EU resulting from the UK referendum.

EU Trade Commissioner: No trade talks until full Brexit (BBC):
The European Union’s top trade official [the EU Commissioner for Trade Cecilia Malmström] says the UK cannot begin negotiating terms for doing business with the bloc until after it has left.
“First you exit then you negotiate,” Cecilia Malmstrom told BBC Newsnight.
After Brexit, the UK would become a “third country” in EU terms, she said - meaning trade would be carried out based on World Trade Organisation rules until a new deal was complete.
Under EU law, the bloc cannot negotiate a separate trade deal with one of its own members, hence the commissioner’s insistence that the UK must first leave.

[tommy_t]

Dolph:
Something I found interesting as a comment under an article for May - Renzi talks.

Note that the exit agreement and a new UK-EU trade deal are legally two SEPARATE issues, also with different voting rules. The trade negotiations can only start AFTER the UK exits the EU.

This is the unanimous position of all EU-27 leaders plus Tusk and Juncker (see the statement below), the position of the European Parliament (the resolution adopted by 395 votes for, 200 against, 71 abstain) and the position of the European Commission (see the statements of the trade commissioner below).

The statement of the EU-27 leaders (see below) explains the phases of UK’s exit from the EU:

(1) The UK has to trigger Article 50.

(2) Negotiations about the exit agreement (with the two-year deadline). A qualified majority of the EU-27 is required for the agreement to be valid (at least 20 of the 27 EU members representing at least 65% of the EU-27 population; both criteria have to be met). Note that these negotiations will NOT be about the future trading relationship between the UK and the EU, but rather only about disentangling the UK from the EU: how to handle the running projects in the UK which are funded by the EU, what happens to the Ireland-UK border (which will become an outer EU border), what will be the status of the EU citizens living in the UK and the UK citizens living in the EU, for how long the EU will allow the UK citizens to use their passports with the ‘EU’ label before they become invalid travel documents, which EU agencies will move from the UK to the EU, how much money the UK still owes to the EU budget etc. etc.

(3) The UK formally leaves the EU = becomes a ‘third country’ with respect to the EU, a non-EU member without any trade agreement with the EU. The trade between the UK and the EU is based on the WTO rules.

(4) There may be negotiations about a new trade agreement between the UK and the EU. If the UK wants access to the single market, it will have to accept free movement of people. 100% consent of all 27 EU members needed = EACH EU member holds a veto right. In case of a trade deal via EEA, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein also hold a veto right. The ratification procedure alone (AFTER the negotiations are finished) takes two years.

We, the Heads of State or Government of 27 Member States, as well as the Presidents of the European Council and the European Commission [= PMs or presidents of 27 EU members plus Tusk and Juncker] …

There is a need to organise the withdrawal of the UK from the EU in an orderly fashion. Article 50 TEU provides the legal basis for this process. It is up to the British government to notify the European Council of the UK’s intention to withdraw from the Union. This should be done as quickly as possible. There can be no negotiations of any kind before this notification has taken place. …

In the future, we hope to have the UK as a close partner of the EU and we look forward to the UK stating its intentions in this respect. Any agreement, which will be concluded with the UK as a third country [= AFTER the UK formally leaves the EU], will have to be based on a balance of rights and obligations. Access to the Single Market requires acceptance of all four freedoms.
Statement from the informal EU-27 summit on 29 June 2016.

The European Parliament … recalls that any new relationship between the UK and the EU may not be agreed before the conclusion of the withdrawal agreement.
From the European Parliament resolution of 28 June 2016 on the decision to leave the EU resulting from the UK referendum.

EU Trade Commissioner: No trade talks until full Brexit (BBC):
The European Union’s top trade official [the EU Commissioner for Trade Cecilia Malmström] says the UK cannot begin negotiating terms for doing business with the bloc until after it has left.
“First you exit then you negotiate,” Cecilia Malmstrom told BBC Newsnight.
After Brexit, the UK would become a “third country” in EU terms, she said - meaning trade would be carried out based on World Trade Organisation rules until a new deal was complete.
Under EU law, the bloc cannot negotiate a separate trade deal with one of its own members, hence the commissioner’s insistence that the UK must first leave.

We can trigger article 50 and leave the next day there is nothing preventing that all the talk of it taking years is just that idle talk

[carryfast]

Dolph:
Something I found interesting as a comment under an article for May - Renzi talks.

Note that the exit agreement and a new UK-EU trade deal are legally two SEPARATE issues, also with different voting rules. The trade negotiations can only start AFTER the UK exits the EU.

This is the unanimous position of all EU-27 leaders plus Tusk and Juncker (see the statement below), the position of the European Parliament (the resolution adopted by 395 votes for, 200 against, 71 abstain) and the position of the European Commission (see the statements of the trade commissioner below).

The statement of the EU-27 leaders (see below) explains the phases of UK’s exit from the EU:

(1) The UK has to trigger Article 50.

(2) Negotiations about the exit agreement (with the two-year deadline). A qualified majority of the EU-27 is required for the agreement to be valid (at least 20 of the 27 EU members representing at least 65% of the EU-27 population; both criteria have to be met). Note that these negotiations will NOT be about the future trading relationship between the UK and the EU, but rather only about disentangling the UK from the EU: how to handle the running projects in the UK which are funded by the EU, what happens to the Ireland-UK border (which will become an outer EU border), what will be the status of the EU citizens living in the UK and the UK citizens living in the EU, for how long the EU will allow the UK citizens to use their passports with the ‘EU’ label before they become invalid travel documents, which EU agencies will move from the UK to the EU, how much money the UK still owes to the EU budget etc. etc.

(3) The UK formally leaves the EU = becomes a ‘third country’ with respect to the EU, a non-EU member without any trade agreement with the EU. The trade between the UK and the EU is based on the WTO rules.

(4) There may be negotiations about a new trade agreement between the UK and the EU. If the UK wants access to the single market, it will have to accept free movement of people. 100% consent of all 27 EU members needed = EACH EU member holds a veto right. In case of a trade deal via EEA, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein also hold a veto right. The ratification procedure alone (AFTER the negotiations are finished) takes two years.

We, the Heads of State or Government of 27 Member States, as well as the Presidents of the European Council and the European Commission [= PMs or presidents of 27 EU members plus Tusk and Juncker] …

There is a need to organise the withdrawal of the UK from the EU in an orderly fashion. Article 50 TEU provides the legal basis for this process. It is up to the British government to notify the European Council of the UK’s intention to withdraw from the Union. This should be done as quickly as possible. There can be no negotiations of any kind before this notification has taken place. …

In the future, we hope to have the UK as a close partner of the EU and we look forward to the UK stating its intentions in this respect. Any agreement, which will be concluded with the UK as a third country [= AFTER the UK formally leaves the EU], will have to be based on a balance of rights and obligations. Access to the Single Market requires acceptance of all four freedoms.
Statement from the informal EU-27 summit on 29 June 2016.

The European Parliament … recalls that any new relationship between the UK and the EU may not be agreed before the conclusion of the withdrawal agreement.
From the European Parliament resolution of 28 June 2016 on the decision to leave the EU resulting from the UK referendum.

EU Trade Commissioner: No trade talks until full Brexit (BBC):
The European Union’s top trade official [the EU Commissioner for Trade Cecilia Malmström] says the UK cannot begin negotiating terms for doing business with the bloc until after it has left.
“First you exit then you negotiate,” Cecilia Malmstrom told BBC Newsnight.
After Brexit, the UK would become a “third country” in EU terms, she said - meaning trade would be carried out based on World Trade Organisation rules until a new deal was complete.
Under EU law, the bloc cannot negotiate a separate trade deal with one of its own members, hence the commissioner’s insistence that the UK must first leave.

As I said UKIP would have been better off going for a Confederal Europe which not only provides democratic control in the national interest but also stops the EU dictating terms.Especially when it’s trying to dictate terms to a net contributor to its budget but also a net importer of its products.

[carryfast]

tommy t:
We can trigger article 50 and leave the next day there is nothing preventing that all the talk of it taking years is just that idle talk

Which just leaves the inconvenient problem that it would take a majority UKIP government to do it.

[tommy_t]

Carryfast:

tommy t:
We can trigger article 50 and leave the next day there is nothing preventing that all the talk of it taking years is just that idle talk

Which just leaves the inconvenient problem that it would take a majority UKIP government to do it.

or all the British people who voted leave to take to the streets and rebel to force their hand, they are still public servants we should not let them forget that

[dolph]

tommy t:

Dolph:
Something I found interesting as a comment under an article for May - Renzi talks.

Note that the exit agreement and a new UK-EU trade deal are legally two SEPARATE issues, also with different voting rules. The trade negotiations can only start AFTER the UK exits the EU.

This is the unanimous position of all EU-27 leaders plus Tusk and Juncker (see the statement below), the position of the European Parliament (the resolution adopted by 395 votes for, 200 against, 71 abstain) and the position of the European Commission (see the statements of the trade commissioner below).

The statement of the EU-27 leaders (see below) explains the phases of UK’s exit from the EU:

(1) The UK has to trigger Article 50.

(2) Negotiations about the exit agreement (with the two-year deadline). A qualified majority of the EU-27 is required for the agreement to be valid (at least 20 of the 27 EU members representing at least 65% of the EU-27 population; both criteria have to be met). Note that these negotiations will NOT be about the future trading relationship between the UK and the EU, but rather only about disentangling the UK from the EU: how to handle the running projects in the UK which are funded by the EU, what happens to the Ireland-UK border (which will become an outer EU border), what will be the status of the EU citizens living in the UK and the UK citizens living in the EU, for how long the EU will allow the UK citizens to use their passports with the ‘EU’ label before they become invalid travel documents, which EU agencies will move from the UK to the EU, how much money the UK still owes to the EU budget etc. etc.

(3) The UK formally leaves the EU = becomes a ‘third country’ with respect to the EU, a non-EU member without any trade agreement with the EU. The trade between the UK and the EU is based on the WTO rules.

(4) There may be negotiations about a new trade agreement between the UK and the EU. If the UK wants access to the single market, it will have to accept free movement of people. 100% consent of all 27 EU members needed = EACH EU member holds a veto right. In case of a trade deal via EEA, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein also hold a veto right. The ratification procedure alone (AFTER the negotiations are finished) takes two years.

We, the Heads of State or Government of 27 Member States, as well as the Presidents of the European Council and the European Commission [= PMs or presidents of 27 EU members plus Tusk and Juncker] …

There is a need to organise the withdrawal of the UK from the EU in an orderly fashion. Article 50 TEU provides the legal basis for this process. It is up to the British government to notify the European Council of the UK’s intention to withdraw from the Union. This should be done as quickly as possible. There can be no negotiations of any kind before this notification has taken place. …

In the future, we hope to have the UK as a close partner of the EU and we look forward to the UK stating its intentions in this respect. Any agreement, which will be concluded with the UK as a third country [= AFTER the UK formally leaves the EU], will have to be based on a balance of rights and obligations. Access to the Single Market requires acceptance of all four freedoms.
Statement from the informal EU-27 summit on 29 June 2016.

The European Parliament … recalls that any new relationship between the UK and the EU may not be agreed before the conclusion of the withdrawal agreement.
From the European Parliament resolution of 28 June 2016 on the decision to leave the EU resulting from the UK referendum.

EU Trade Commissioner: No trade talks until full Brexit (BBC):
The European Union’s top trade official [the EU Commissioner for Trade Cecilia Malmström] says the UK cannot begin negotiating terms for doing business with the bloc until after it has left.
“First you exit then you negotiate,” Cecilia Malmstrom told BBC Newsnight.
After Brexit, the UK would become a “third country” in EU terms, she said - meaning trade would be carried out based on World Trade Organisation rules until a new deal was complete.
Under EU law, the bloc cannot negotiate a separate trade deal with one of its own members, hence the commissioner’s insistence that the UK must first leave.

We can trigger article 50 and leave the next day there is nothing preventing that all the talk of it taking years is just that idle talk

Can you really? Will you do it? If yes then do it, all this talk: “take back control, we want our country back”, then nothing. “We gonna trigger article 50 by the end of the year or next year” May said. If you really want to leave you live, you simply leave, not ifs,buts,cans etc. File the request officially and sit on the table to negotiate the actual exit.
Not only that(not activating article 50) but now you have unelected Prime Minister who is a remainer. Where is the Brexiters win in that…

[tommy_t]

Dolph:

tommy t:

Dolph:
Something I found interesting as a comment under an article for May - Renzi talks.

Note that the exit agreement and a new UK-EU trade deal are legally two SEPARATE issues, also with different voting rules. The trade negotiations can only start AFTER the UK exits the EU.

This is the unanimous position of all EU-27 leaders plus Tusk and Juncker (see the statement below), the position of the European Parliament (the resolution adopted by 395 votes for, 200 against, 71 abstain) and the position of the European Commission (see the statements of the trade commissioner below).

The statement of the EU-27 leaders (see below) explains the phases of UK’s exit from the EU:

(1) The UK has to trigger Article 50.

(2) Negotiations about the exit agreement (with the two-year deadline). A qualified majority of the EU-27 is required for the agreement to be valid (at least 20 of the 27 EU members representing at least 65% of the EU-27 population; both criteria have to be met). Note that these negotiations will NOT be about the future trading relationship between the UK and the EU, but rather only about disentangling the UK from the EU: how to handle the running projects in the UK which are funded by the EU, what happens to the Ireland-UK border (which will become an outer EU border), what will be the status of the EU citizens living in the UK and the UK citizens living in the EU, for how long the EU will allow the UK citizens to use their passports with the ‘EU’ label before they become invalid travel documents, which EU agencies will move from the UK to the EU, how much money the UK still owes to the EU budget etc. etc.

(3) The UK formally leaves the EU = becomes a ‘third country’ with respect to the EU, a non-EU member without any trade agreement with the EU. The trade between the UK and the EU is based on the WTO rules.

(4) There may be negotiations about a new trade agreement between the UK and the EU. If the UK wants access to the single market, it will have to accept free movement of people. 100% consent of all 27 EU members needed = EACH EU member holds a veto right. In case of a trade deal via EEA, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein also hold a veto right. The ratification procedure alone (AFTER the negotiations are finished) takes two years.

We, the Heads of State or Government of 27 Member States, as well as the Presidents of the European Council and the European Commission [= PMs or presidents of 27 EU members plus Tusk and Juncker] …

There is a need to organise the withdrawal of the UK from the EU in an orderly fashion. Article 50 TEU provides the legal basis for this process. It is up to the British government to notify the European Council of the UK’s intention to withdraw from the Union. This should be done as quickly as possible. There can be no negotiations of any kind before this notification has taken place. …

In the future, we hope to have the UK as a close partner of the EU and we look forward to the UK stating its intentions in this respect. Any agreement, which will be concluded with the UK as a third country [= AFTER the UK formally leaves the EU], will have to be based on a balance of rights and obligations. Access to the Single Market requires acceptance of all four freedoms.
Statement from the informal EU-27 summit on 29 June 2016.

The European Parliament … recalls that any new relationship between the UK and the EU may not be agreed before the conclusion of the withdrawal agreement.
From the European Parliament resolution of 28 June 2016 on the decision to leave the EU resulting from the UK referendum.

EU Trade Commissioner: No trade talks until full Brexit (BBC):
The European Union’s top trade official [the EU Commissioner for Trade Cecilia Malmström] says the UK cannot begin negotiating terms for doing business with the bloc until after it has left.
“First you exit then you negotiate,” Cecilia Malmstrom told BBC Newsnight.
After Brexit, the UK would become a “third country” in EU terms, she said - meaning trade would be carried out based on World Trade Organisation rules until a new deal was complete.
Under EU law, the bloc cannot negotiate a separate trade deal with one of its own members, hence the commissioner’s insistence that the UK must first leave.

We can trigger article 50 and leave the next day there is nothing preventing that all the talk of it taking years is just that idle talk

Can you really? Will you do it? If yes then do it, all this talk: “take back control, we want our country back”, then nothing. “We gonna trigger article 50 by the end of the year or next year” May said. If you really want to leave you live, you simply leave, not ifs,buts,cans etc. File the request officially and sit on the table to negotiate the actual exit.
Not only that(not activating article 50) but now you have unelected Prime Minister who is a remainer. Where is the Brexiters win in that…

it’s not all talk at all as far as our people go, we would of left the ■■■■■■ ole EU June 24th 2016, but we don’t get to do this, the corrupt establishment who put that split arras in the hot seat are the only reason we ain’t left already maybe soros has an input too, but they think doing this sort of ■■■■■■ is more important http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/28/uk-police-launch-rainbow-patrol-car-to-fight-hate-crime/ that is a target for the sand ■■■■■■ too, hell it may even cause hate crime from all those peaceful Muslim invaders, but you can guarantee that the main stream bias press won’t report on it

[dolph]

Many people dont realize that trade negotiations are completely different then article 50 2 years leave period. UK first must exit the Union and then start trade deals with EU, not before. UK cans screw up EU with delays and arm twisting, but EU can do it as well. There is no obligation to do a trade deal before UK is actually out. Lets see how all companies in UK who export into EU will react when they realize they don’t have access to the single market. Whats gonna happen with the London as a financial capitol is also very interesting.

The Juncker puts Michael Barnier as a negotiator on behalf of EU 27
telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 … or-losing/

In a French TV interview earlier this week, he said he had no “deadline” for negotiation talks to begin.
Adding: “The British Government needs several months to fine tune its position. Our British friends know that there will be no negotiation before notification of their farewell letter.”

[tommy_t]

Dolph:
Many people dont realize that trade negotiations are completely different then article 50 2 years leave period. UK first must exit the Union and then start trade deals with EU, not before. UK cans screw up EU with delays and arm twisting, but EU can do it as well. There is no obligation to do a trade deal before UK is actually out. Lets see how all companies in UK who export into EU will react when they realize they don’t have access to the single market. Whats gonna happen with the London as a financial capitol is also very interesting.

The Juncker puts Michael Barnier as a negotiator on behalf of EU 27
telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 … or-losing/

Junker,or is it( drunker)& Frau merkel need to stand down, they are past being of any use to anyone, We don’t even need access to the single market and should not agree to any deal that involves freedom of movement , personally i think we would be better off going the WTO route as we import more than we export anyway, so tarriffs would not be in Germany’s favour, and maybe we should stop trade with Africa seeing as they don’t want their own useless morons back

[carryfast]

Dolph:
Can you really? Will you do it? If yes then do it, all this talk: “take back control, we want our country back”, then nothing. “We gonna trigger article 50 by the end of the year or next year” May said. If you really want to leave you live, you simply leave, not ifs,buts,cans etc. File the request officially and sit on the table to negotiate the actual exit.
Not only that(not activating article 50) but now you have unelected Prime Minister who is a remainer. Where is the Brexiters win in that…

You’ve answered your own question.We can’t ‘win’ because the agenda is being set by the relatively undemocratically elected ( compared to PR based referendum vote ) parliamentary system which is overwhelmingly pro EU,or more importantly pro Federal EU government.That allied to big business financial interests that have no intention of acting in the national interest because they’ve got more investment interests in our EU competitors including the exploitation of cheap East European Labour.Feel free to support that agenda bearing in mind that those same corrupt undemocratic interests will be the same ones which will fastrack Turkish membership when they’ve finally put Brexit out of the frame by over turning the referendum vote.

As for Brexit ‘losing’ we actually lost when Farage told Le Pen to do one in Europe,where we could have smashed the EU from within,preferring to deal with Cameron at home instead. Bearing in mind if we stay in that option remains open.But this time from the moral high ground of having had a democratic referendum vote clearly over turned and annulled by undemocratic Federalist EU forces.

[carryfast]

tommy t:
personally i think we would be better off going the WTO route as we import more than we export anyway, so tarriffs would not be in Germany’s favour,

Sadly none of our present bunch of no hoper politicians are up for the type of un compromising Nationalist view of our relationship with Europe that it would take to make Brexit work.Possibly even Farage can be included in that.

[winseer]

Something that has proven rather annoying regarding the Brexit poll - is the way they’ve broken it down into areas where “A majority voted for Remain”.

FFS that’s like taking a walk among the Tory blue sea of the southeast - and talking to Labour voters who have not seen any red in their area politically for over a decade

What next?

Newmarket racecourse has a special “Loser’s enclosure”? that contains 99% of all the people at the racecourse at any one time?

The Brexit poll was NOT “PR” or “AV” - it was just a poll over the entire country at once. WHY they divided it up into bits that exposed political argument-making material locally - is beyond me.
The votes should just have been on that big meter showing the grand totals for both - and not the regional declarations.
We should be using electronic voting by this point - it’s the 21st century FFS.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
Something that has proven rather annoying regarding the Brexit poll - is the way they’ve broken it down into areas where “A majority voted for Remain”.

A bunch of Federalists calling for being ruled by Juncker and EU commissioners and foreign majority vote.Trying to over turn a national referendum vote on the basis of the seperate local demographic counts.You couldn’t make it up.

[swampey2418]

What next…

The order for 8 warships being put on hold for ship builders on the Clyde… ( excuse no money in the pot )…maybe it coz of the Krankies insistence on Scottish Independence…well if thats what she and Scotland wants build them in Portsmouth…

Scotish MPs’ voted against renewal of Trident ( saying they didn’t want it on there back yard ) … simple answer to that one, move it down south to the UK

Now the building of a power station by EDF is now on hold…( Politicians will finally decide in the Autumn ) …Maybe coz its a French company…and hollandaise sauce wants to punish the UK for Britex…

I begin to wonder what is coming new…

[kerragy]

Playing Devil’s Advocate.

Do you believe that Lloyds is closing 200 branches and laying off 3000 because of Brexit?

If that’s the case do you think that Project Fear is actually being proven to be Project Fact?

[evil8beezle]

Kerragy:
Playing Devil’s Advocate.

Do you believe that Lloyds is closing 200 branches and laying off 3000 because of Brexit?

If that’s the case do you think that Project Fear is actually being proven to be Project Fact?

No, the dynamics of banking has changed as we do a lot of it now online…

[winseer]

Kerragy:
Playing Devil’s Advocate.

Do you believe that Lloyds is closing 200 branches and laying off 3000 because of Brexit?

If that’s the case do you think that Project Fear is actually being proven to be Project Fact?

No - it’s more “project malicious self-fulfilling prophecy”.

If you believe “efforts will fail” - anyone “In the business” will try and find a way to make failure happen.

[winseer]

Swampey2418:
What next…

The order for 8 warships being put on hold for ship builders on the Clyde… ( excuse no money in the pot )…maybe it coz of the Krankies insistence on Scottish Independence…well if thats what she and Scotland wants build them in Portsmouth…

Scotish MPs’ voted against renewal of Trident ( saying they didn’t want it on there back yard ) … simple answer to that one, move it down south to the UK

Now the building of a power station by EDF is now on hold…( Politicians will finally decide in the Autumn ) …Maybe coz its a French company…and hollandaise sauce wants to punish the UK for Britex…

I begin to wonder what is coming new…

French Unions have scuppered this more than anything else.
Think about it: Brexit has just made building a power station in Britain over 10% CHEAPER because of the drop in the pound. So what do the French Unions do? - Get all hand-wringy about “costs spiraling out of control”…
FFS that’s normally the MANAGEMENT argument for “not letting something go ahead”… Doh!

If EDF had just thrust the entire damned project under our noses to be signed - OUR government might not have been so reticent itself. All this industrial relations bull puts a big question mark over the whole thing though.

In any case WHY can’t we pay for, build using British workers and import our own materials from around the commonwealth OURSELVES?

Never mind about “Trident” - If WWIII started tomorrow - our enemies would not let us have access to weapons-building materials way beyond Uranium.
We can’t even build a Destroyer ourselves these days as it is…

Time to pump-up Portsmouth and wind-down all the Scotland stuff - seeing as they don’t want it anyway. Let that big crane in Glasgow be the only remaining legacy landmark of the entire industry that Scotland wanted to throw away at the end of the day - then cut them loose, don’t bother with a referendum.

What a daft situation we have: Scotland voted to Remain in the UK - but has a Nationalist “bent on leaving the UK” government… Britain voted to leave the EU - and the top three jobs are all from the losing Remain side…

So what happens at the next election then? - Do we vote UKIP, and up getting a Corbyn/Sturgeon coalition, and ceding our entire nation to some outfit like Goldman Sachs which seems like what America wants to do for themselves?
FFS you couldn’t make it up!

[carryfast]

Kerragy:
Playing Devil’s Advocate.

Do you believe that Lloyds is closing 200 branches and laying off 3000 because of Brexit?

If that’s the case do you think that Project Fear is actually being proven to be Project Fact?

All the banks have been closing numerous branches before Cameron even called any Brexit ‘referendum’.Unlike the situation before 1973.

[tommy_t]

Carryfast:

Kerragy:
Playing Devil’s Advocate.

Do you believe that Lloyds is closing 200 branches and laying off 3000 because of Brexit?

If that’s the case do you think that Project Fear is actually being proven to be Project Fact?

All the banks have been closing numerous branches before Cameron even called any Brexit 'referendum’unlike the situation before 1973.

yup Natwest has shut loads of local branches over the past 5 yrs too, maybe something to do with that ■■■■ cameron eh? the bs that the media stir up, to distract the sheeple from what is really going on , shame they don’t report news as it happens anything that would put muslims in a bad light is delayed and toned down in particular the bbc