switchlogic:
I’d be more inclined to have my opinions on these things changed if links were forthcoming, and not just links to angry conspiracy theorists spouting off but to small little facts and pointers as to why people believe this sort of stuff. I know your post was addressed to Carryfast but I’ve read lots of these articles and they all have one thing in common, lots of opinion little fact
All my links were factual. This is a fully referenced article showing their link to their role in the Thatcher government selling off the family silver to dig themselves out of a national debt hole.
Well come 2008 the government is in economic crisis again and you might think in the aftermath there’s not much left to sell off. Don’t worry your favourite banking family, that rarely features on rich lists and typically sees no discussion about their true wealth and power in the mainstream news had already cooked up a plan.
Listen to Obama’s rhetoric about how he plans to drive America forward and repair existing infrastructure, the keywords are Public Private Partnership…
Where are you sourcing evidence from re all this Rothschild stuff? Or anything actually factual regarding official figures to back this all up. From reading about them they were indeed very wealthy at their peak a long time back during napoleonic wars. But all you find on the web is a load of conspiracy theories.
You can attempt to discredit the information by referring to it as conspiracy theories, but that’s just discrediting the enemy and one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Look at the amount of comments a Stobart or RDC, or even a frilly curtain thread gets, lots of different people pipe up with comments, now compare this thread, as soon as it got serious it has been deserted by the majority, even though it is at the top of the page due to continued posts from a few people.
What the real truth is I do not know, but at least I’m prepared to try to find out as much as I can about it, rather than burying my head in the sand and dismissing anything that doesn’t fit the BS I’ve been indoctrinated with by the establishment.
Freight Dog:
Where are you sourcing evidence from re all this Rothschild stuff? Or anything actually factual regarding official figures to back this all up. From reading about them they were indeed very wealthy at their peak a long time back during napoleonic wars. But all you find on the web is a load of conspiracy theories.
Yes they were very wealthy and lost it all is the ‘official’ version. The ‘official’ version is very sketchy on how exactly they lost it and doesn’t seem ‘officially’ very interested on why a now supposedly minor banking family’s ideas on privatisation of national assets and PFI funding of state projects are being simultaneously adopted by governments across the globe. It’s also never ‘officially’ interested in how every time there is an economic crisis they luckily manage to dodge it and are on the government’s doorstep with a handy solution that usually entails flogging off more of the family silver to private banks.
That’s before you even start on why just so many people that have either worked for this small private bank or benefitted from a rhodes scholarship (started by the family) ends up running countries, their national treasuries or military and intellgence services. Literally no-one who’s worked at the Nationwide has run a country yet they’ve clocked up two former French presidents and a German chancellor.
If every time someone prominent crops up in the news spouting something, almost across the western world the same work and educational backgrounds crop up again and again way past the point of coincidence.
As Newmercman says I have no idea what the truth is but it is certainly not what is fed to the masses.
The information you refer to in public records- I didn’t try to discredit this information by calling it conspiracy theories. I haven’t seen it. That’s exactly why I asked if you know of any official and factual documentation
I referred to all I could find was conspiracy theories as being just conspiracy theories thats all I found. A man’s website (along with other theories about 9/11 and nostradamus) quoting a wealth figure of the Rothschilds that is actually twice the global asset, a fact does not make. Hence I asked if you know of any evidence based stuff. I can’t discredit this as I haven’t seen it, hence I asked.
newmercman:
What the real truth is I do not know, but at least I’m prepared to try to find out as much as I can about it, rather than burying my head in the sand and dismissing anything that doesn’t fit the BS I’ve been indoctrinated with by the establishment.
Yes I agree. Hence my early posts too but for different reasons. Of course the press and media is manipulated and comes with a spin (look at FOX news). We all take it as given that politicians are silver tongued and have agenda.
Mercman, must say surprised you went off like a sensitive horse stung on the watsits when simply asked about if you know of any factual stuff. I was only asking not deriding your theories personally.
switchlogic:
I’d be more inclined to have my opinions on these things changed if links were forthcoming, and not just links to angry conspiracy theorists spouting off but to small little facts and pointers as to why people believe this sort of stuff. I know your post was addressed to Carryfast but I’ve read lots of these articles and they all have one thing in common, lots of opinion little fact
Luke, i have the opposite problem to you. I’ve done load’s of reading about this stuff, and you will find out (if you have the time to look) that it is mostly factual. But it begs a different question from me, and that is…“so what?” Whats everyone gonna do? Sack the Rotschilds et al…close down the FED ? Prosecute the CIA ? Not happening…
Tell everyone in Iraq we’re sorry for turning it to turmoil? we should of left Saddam in charge at least loads of you would still be alive, and sorry to the Afghans for wrecking your country because we thought a Saudi Arabian was hiding in your Mountains…even when you find out facts, there’s not a lot you can do with them. Maybe go to the Citizens Advice Bureau ?
Freight Dog:
The information you refer to in public records- I didn’t try to discredit this information by calling it conspiracy theories. I haven’t seen it. That’s exactly why I asked if you know of any official and factual documentation
I referred to all I could find was conspiracy theories as being just conspiracy theories thats all I found. A man’s website (along with other theories about 9/11 and nostradamus) quoting a wealth figure of the Rothschilds that is actually twice the global asset, a fact does not make. Hence I asked if you know of any evidence based stuff. I can’t discredit this as I haven’t seen it, hence I asked.
Those conspiracy theory type bank asset figures might just be correct.Assuming,as I said,you transpose the relevant global debt figures with so called ‘global assets’ ( deposits ) bearing in mind the type of cut of those figures reasonably expected to be earn’t by the bank and assuming the global debt figure is actually a hidden personal wealth figure of money nicked from the global economy.In which case it’s no wonder why those at the top of that zb pile are so keen on the idea of a global economy that increases infinitely the opportunities for such massive levels of pilferage.
The answer to the questions seems clear enough if the debt figures are seen for what they possibly are in actually being the personal wealth of the ‘depositors’.While those big bank asset figures are nothing more than would be expected in being just the bankers’ cut in the returns on that money.IE contrary to nmm’s ideas it’s the ‘depositors’ who’ve got the money the bankers are only getting their expected small cut on it.Probably on the usual mob basis of those ‘returns’ on the money deposited being an offer the bankers can’t refuse.Which obviously includes hiding dodgy personal wealth as national debt.
Freight Dog:
The information you refer to in public records- I didn’t try to discredit this information by calling it conspiracy theories. I haven’t seen it. That’s exactly why I asked if you know of any official and factual documentation
I referred to all I could find was conspiracy theories as being just conspiracy theories thats all I found. A man’s website (along with other theories about 9/11 and nostradamus) quoting a wealth figure of the Rothschilds that is actually twice the global asset, a fact does not make. Hence I asked if you know of any evidence based stuff. I can’t discredit this as I haven’t seen it, hence I asked.
Those conspiracy theory type bank asset figures might just be correct.Assuming,as I said,you transpose the relevant global debt figures with so called ‘global assets’ ( deposits ) bearing in mind the type of cut of those figures reasonably expected to be earn’t by the bank and assuming the global debt figure is actually a hidden personal wealth figure of money nicked from the global economy.In which case it’s no wonder why those at the top of that zb pile are so keen on the idea of a global economy that increases infinitely the opportunities for such massive levels of pilferage.
The answer to the questions seems clear enough if the debt figures are seen for what they possibly are in actually being the personal wealth of the ‘depositors’.While those big bank asset figures are nothing more than would be expected in being just the bankers’ cut in the returns on that money.IE contrary to nmm’s ideas it’s the ‘depositors’ who’ve got the money the bankers are only getting their expected small cut on it.Probably on the usual mob basis of those ‘returns’ on the money deposited being an offer the bankers can’t refuse.Which obviously includes hiding dodgy personal wealth as national debt.
The fact you’re using The Economist shows how you just totally miss the point. Here’s some info on who’s behind The Economist:
As a private company, The Economist Group is not bound by the Listing Rules of the Financial Services Authority to report on compliance with the UK Corporate Governance Code. However, the Group has always sought to run its corporate affairs in line with best practice and therefore follows the main principles of the UK Corporate Governance Code as closely as is reasonably practicable and useful to shareholders.
The Board
The Board currently comprises nine non-executive directors and two executive directors. The non-executive directors have a breadth of successful commercial and professional experience and they exercise independent judgment. Luke Swanson is director of transformation of Pearson plc. Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild and her spouse, Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, as well as John Elkann, are each interested in a significant number of shares. The Board is chaired by Rupert Pennant-Rea.
Freight Dog:
The information you refer to in public records- I didn’t try to discredit this information by calling it conspiracy theories. I haven’t seen it. That’s exactly why I asked if you know of any official and factual documentation
I referred to all I could find was conspiracy theories as being just conspiracy theories thats all I found. A man’s website (along with other theories about 9/11 and nostradamus) quoting a wealth figure of the Rothschilds that is actually twice the global asset, a fact does not make. Hence I asked if you know of any evidence based stuff. I can’t discredit this as I haven’t seen it, hence I asked.
Those conspiracy theory type bank asset figures might just be correct.Assuming,as I said,you transpose the relevant global debt figures with so called ‘global assets’ ( deposits ) bearing in mind the type of cut of those figures reasonably expected to be earn’t by the bank and assuming the global debt figure is actually a hidden personal wealth figure of money nicked from the global economy.In which case it’s no wonder why those at the top of that zb pile are so keen on the idea of a global economy that increases infinitely the opportunities for such massive levels of pilferage.
The answer to the questions seems clear enough if the debt figures are seen for what they possibly are in actually being the personal wealth of the ‘depositors’.While those big bank asset figures are nothing more than would be expected in being just the bankers’ cut in the returns on that money.IE contrary to nmm’s ideas it’s the ‘depositors’ who’ve got the money the bankers are only getting their expected small cut on it.Probably on the usual mob basis of those ‘returns’ on the money deposited being an offer the bankers can’t refuse.Which obviously includes hiding dodgy personal wealth as national debt.
The fact you’re using The Economist shows how you just totally miss the point. Here’s some info on who’s behind The Economist:
As a private company, The Economist Group is not bound by the Listing Rules of the Financial Services Authority to report on compliance with the UK Corporate Governance Code. However, the Group has always sought to run its corporate affairs in line with best practice and therefore follows the main principles of the UK Corporate Governance Code as closely as is reasonably practicable and useful to shareholders.
The Board
The Board currently comprises nine non-executive directors and two executive directors. The non-executive directors have a breadth of successful commercial and professional experience and they exercise independent judgment. Luke Swanson is director of transformation of Pearson plc. Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild and her spouse, Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, as well as John Elkann, are each interested in a significant number of shares. The Board is chaired by Rupert Pennant-Rea.
I don’t think there’s any argument about the figures there.The issue is about wether the figures themselves are what they say they are in supposedly being debt,or wether they are what I’m saying they are in actually being the ever increasing hidden personal wealth of the banks’ depositors.
With the reputed figures quoted by the conspiracy theories concerning the assets of the banks actually being just a small cut in the returns of that wealth figure as would be expected not the deposits held by the bank.In which case either the conspiracy theories are part of the conspiracy.Or the conspiracy theorists have got the figures right.It’s just that they don’t understand the scam behind the figures.
Own Account Driver:
Depositers have no power at all, have you checked interest rates recently?
As I’ve read it the type of ‘depositors’ we’re talking about in this case obviously dictate the ‘returns’ on their ‘investments’.Not the banks.IE as I said probably the usual terms of an offer the bankers can’t refuse.
newmercman:
What the real truth is I do not know, but at least I’m prepared to try to find out as much as I can about it, rather than burying my head in the sand and dismissing anything that doesn’t fit the BS I’ve been indoctrinated with by the establishment.
Yes I agree. Hence my early posts too but for different reasons. Of course the press and media is manipulated and comes with a spin (look at FOX news). We all take it as given that politicians are silver tongued and have agenda.
Mercman, must say surprised you went off like a sensitive horse stung on the watsits when simply asked about if you know of any factual stuff. I was only asking not deriding your theories personally.
My comments weren’t aimed at you, which is why I never quoted your post.
When I say you, it is the general you and not you specifically, if you know what I mean
switchlogic:
I’d be more inclined to have my opinions on these things changed if links were forthcoming, and not just links to angry conspiracy theorists spouting off but to small little facts and pointers as to why people believe this sort of stuff. I know your post was addressed to Carryfast but I’ve read lots of these articles and they all have one thing in common, lots of opinion little fact
Luke, i have the opposite problem to you. I’ve done load’s of reading about this stuff, and you will find out (if you have the time to look) that it is mostly factual. But it begs a different question from me, and that is…“so what?” Whats everyone gonna do? Sack the Rotschilds et al…close down the FED ? Prosecute the CIA ? Not happening…
Tell everyone in Iraq we’re sorry for turning it to turmoil? we should of left Saddam in charge at least loads of you would still be alive, and sorry to the Afghans for wrecking your country because we thought a Saudi Arabian was hiding in your Mountains…even when you find out facts, there’s not a lot you can do with them. Maybe go to the Citizens Advice Bureau ?
As we’re not Arabs, we don’t actually do too bad out of the whole deal anyway, so what benefits are there to changing the system?
In my earlier law of the jungle posting I mentioned that their will always be an alpha male, so if the world is one tribe there will always be an alpha male.
It’s currently the patriarch of the Rothschild Dynasty, or maybe they’re just the front men for an even more powerful group? Who knows for sure? But it will always be someone, this mob may be a little self serving, but Muslims excepted, they do a pretty decent job of it when you really think about it.
I don’t want much to change really, a Miss World’s wish of peace and harmony in the world would be a pleasant change, but again we come back to the law of the jungle again, somebody somewhere is always going to want a piece of somebody else, if that person has any power or an audience then it will all kick off.
I wrote an article on unions a while back, my point was that the unions were very good at the start, when the leaders were passionate about the cause, now they’re just quasi politicians with their snouts in the trough.
