dew:
starfighter:
I know the wincanton driver who brought our fuel one day said they are not allowed sat nav, phone, iPod. The cab phones are intrinsically safe.Yet out of all the things likely to cause the fire, The engine/Altenator stands much higher odds than anything on that list!
Good luck driving the truck with no engine or alternator though… 
Tractor units for pet regs use are wired differently. Everything is earthed separately by wire, not thru’ the chassis as normal.
Also, not sure if it still applies, but used to be that the exhaust had to be at the front.
Driving a petrol tanker never stopped my dad from having a a sly tab whilst behind the wheel, but he did wait til his roll up had gone out before lobbing it out the window. Neither he nor his lorry ever showed up on any radar screen
Driveroneuk:
Tractor units for pet regs use are wired differently. Everything is earthed separately by wire, not thru’ the chassis as normal.Also, not sure if it still applies, but used to be that the exhaust had to be at the front.
That’s right. When I was at Nightfreight Stevenage (Rainbows) we had an ex-tanker Leyland Roadtrain; fitters hated it when anything went wrong with the electrics. That had the exhaust at the front too, it went like the clappers and sounded superb.
Think the exhaust regs have probably changed now, something to do with gassing cyclists at traffic lights probably!
gnasty gnome:
Driveroneuk:
Tractor units for pet regs use are wired differently. Everything is earthed separately by wire, not thru’ the chassis as normal.Also, not sure if it still applies, but used to be that the exhaust had to be at the front.
That’s right. When I was at Nightfreight Stevenage (Rainbows) we had an ex-tanker Leyland Roadtrain; fitters hated it when anything went wrong with the electrics. That had the exhaust at the front too, it went like the clappers and sounded superb.
Think the exhaust regs have probably changed now, something to do with gassing cyclists at traffic lights probably!
Shoorly that’s not illegal? Bloody Health & Safety gone mad if you ask me…
Driveroneuk:
Tractor units for pet regs use are wired differently. Everything is earthed separately by wire, not thru’ the chassis as normal.Also, not sure if it still applies, but used to be that the exhaust had to be at the front.
They also have a “kill” switch which cuts all power from the battery which is activated when loading
Yeah he said it was all wired for safety.
I was working for ######### fuel and about 5 Months ago one of their Artic Drivers got the boot for smoking in the Cab, guess how he got caught 
he’d dropped the ■■■ and it went on the seat and burnt a hole in it. 11plate unit and only 2 drivers ever use it.
He went to G####### and got a job there.
porsche:
Driveroneuk:
Tractor units for pet regs use are wired differently. Everything is earthed separately by wire, not thru’ the chassis as normal.Also, not sure if it still applies, but used to be that the exhaust had to be at the front.
They also have a “kill” switch which cuts all power from the battery which is activated when loading
They used to have wire netting in the rear windows 
Wheel Nut:
Harry Monk:
It’s illegal.I want Dave to look at this one.
I am unsure of that when checking ADR unless there is something in the CDG Road Manual that I have missed. Now I know the rules are many in ADR but wouldn’t you think it would simply say No SMOKING when carrying any product with a flashpoint <60c or something?
Hi Malc,
I’m sure we can agree that it’s generally not a good idea to smoke whilst driving a petrol tanker, but let’s just see where this discussion takes us…
Harry has made a quite definite statement, but hasn’t offered a reference.
I’ve had a look in ADR and I agree with the first pic you posted of ADR 8.3.5, to which we can add ADR 7.5.9:
7.5.9
Smoking shall be prohibited during handling operations in the vicinity of vehicles or containers and inside the vehicle or container
Quite clearly, there is an ADR-imposed smoking ban during handling operations.
Wheel Nut:
The second picture shows the ADR regulations for certain classes namely Class 1 Explosives. Class 1.4 is not included which is the lowest of the explosive class.
I think you might have missed a trick when you say that 1.4 isn’t included, because I’m not seeing that.
To me, it says “substances and articles of Class 1” which can only mean all of them, since there are no exceptions given.
This even includes 1.4S, (the least dangerous CG of 1.4) and there is still no exception (even at 1.1.3.6.2) because the very one you quoted in your second pic [ S1(3) ] applies at all times. From the way that it’s written, that includes whilst out on the road even if the vehicle is closed.
The other mentions of smoking at 8.3.5 and 7.5.9 don’t seem to apply if the vehicle is not subject to a handling operation.
dieseldave:
I think you might have missed a trick when you say that 1.4 isn’t included, because I’m not seeing that.
To me, it says “substances and articles of Class 1” which can only mean all of them, since there are no exceptions given.
I do believe I did jump the gun Dave and saw a mention of 1.4 and guessed. I have since read it again and believe I tripped myself up by using the search term “Smoke rather than Smoking” which directed me to Section 1.4 rather than the Classification 1.4 
I am humbled that you took the time to reply, even more so, that you found the time to double check, something I need to learn to do more of.
I will nick an apple for the next time I see you
Wheel Nut:
dieseldave:
I think you might have missed a trick when you say that 1.4 isn’t included, because I’m not seeing that.
To me, it says “substances and articles of Class 1” which can only mean all of them, since there are no exceptions given.I do believe I did jump the gun Dave and saw a mention of 1.4 and guessed. I have since read it again and believe I tripped myself up by using the search term “Smoke rather than Smoking” which directed me to Section 1.4 rather than the Classification 1.4
I am humbled that you took the time to reply, even more so, that you found the time to double check, something I need to learn to do more of.
I will nick an apple for the next time I see you
Aha… now I know what you meant… section 2.2.1 will sort that for you. 
I’m sorry it took a while for me to get to it.
No I would not just incase I had any spillages on my work gear.
5RRF:
No I would not just incase I had any spillages on my work gear.
No don’t worry about that, the vapour would have evaporated by the time you had got back in the cab, in any case proper tanker drivers don’t have spillages
Am I missing something here, isn’t it against the law to smoke in your cab anyway, no matter what your carrying?
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yes i would.
i’ve flicked a cigarette at some petrol, just like they do in the fall guy, or the dukes of hazard, and it won’t go boom, so i can’t see a problem with it.
and if it’s illegal, then that’s more reason to do it.
matt3903:
Am I missing something here, isn’t it against the law to smoke in your cab anyway, no matter what your carrying?Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
Not many owner drivers on fuel deliveries, but it might be possible.
Yes. I think it was a hypothetical question, people drive their cars while smoking and carry petrol and women have gas cylinders and chemicals in their handbags.
Chemicals and fuel carried in tankers are one of the safest things on the road, the product is kept inside the barrel, the valves are all well serviced and the drivers better trained. when was the last time you saw a Shell fuel tanker with the side ripped out?
limeyphil:
yes i would.
i’ve flicked a cigarette at some petrol, just like they do in the fall guy, or the dukes of hazard, and it won’t go boom, so i can’t see a problem with it.
and if it’s illegal, then that’s more reason to do it.
I was taught by Alan Walker many years ago the worst thing you can do is tell someone to put that ■■■ out on a garage forecourt, it will generate more heat under your foot than it will if you take a drag of it. Although that didn’t work in Holland when someone blew the roof off that Esso station.