remember years ago when running bent was the norm?
vosa and their european counterparts started tightening up, and it worked. they, and the traffic commisioners made an example of a few firms, and a few drivers.
it didn’t take very long before people started doing the job within the law, so they moved on to vehicle condition. once again they made an impact.
this is where the trouble started. most of the bad guys had been tamed.
so they have to up the anty with things that didn’t cause any danger before, but it does now.
a safely loaded vehicle two years ago may now be unsafe. driving 95 hours in a fortnight would have been a case of keep an eye on it driver, now you’re in the [zb].
look at the germans, thousands of euros for being a tad over height. load security so over the top you couldn’t make it up.
so, when everyone is driving within all the tacho rules, load security rules, height, and length rules. will they think great job part time hours now?
what’s you prediction for the next stage of state sponsored extortion?
limeyphil:
remember years ago when running bent was the norm?
vosa and their european counterparts started tightening up, and it worked. they, and the traffic commisioners made an example of a few firms, and a few drivers.
it didn’t take very long before people started doing the job within the law, so they moved on to vehicle condition. once again they made an impact.
this is where the trouble started. most of the bad guys had been tamed.
so they have to up the anty with things that didn’t cause any danger before, but it does now.
a safely loaded vehicle two years ago may now be unsafe. driving 95 hours in a fortnight would have been a case of keep an eye on it driver, now you’re in the [zb].
look at the germans, thousands of euros for being a tad over height. load security so over the top you couldn’t make it up.
so, when everyone is driving within all the tacho rules, load security rules, height, and length rules. will they think great job part time hours now?
what’s you prediction for the next stage of state sponsored extortion?
“So drive, your not breaking the law then, thanks very much, move on then”.
Unless the law changes 
It used to be allowed to send little boys up chimneys to sweep them out but that is now against the law, however if you wish to have this practice of boys up chimneys returned you could always start an e petition and if you attain 100.000 signatures someone will debate it 
I cant see any reason why we cant use asbestos in buildings and clutches and brake linings anymore. just h & s ■■■■■■■■ aint it
Bring back the good old days eh Phil 
green456:
It used to be allowed to send little boys up chimneys to sweep them out but that is now against the law, however if you wish to have this practice of boys up chimneys returned you could always start an e petition and if you attain 100.000 signatures someone will debate it
I cant see any reason why we cant use asbestos in buildings and clutches and brake linings anymore. just h & s [zb] aint it
Bring back the good old days eh Phil
I bet you think that polyethylene hard hats & hi-viz vests are a major contribution to driver safety whilst working in the loading area, don’t you??
Ross.
bigr250:
green456:
It used to be allowed to send little boys up chimneys to sweep them out but that is now against the law, however if you wish to have this practice of boys up chimneys returned you could always start an e petition and if you attain 100.000 signatures someone will debate it
I cant see any reason why we cant use asbestos in buildings and clutches and brake linings anymore. just h & s [zb] aint it
Bring back the good old days eh PhilI bet you think that polyethylene hard hats & hi-viz vests are a major contribution to driver safety whilst working in the loading area, don’t you??
Ross.
We moved a fifty tonne motor with a bridge crane at work and we still had to wear hard hats even though it was only a foot off the ground!. What use was a hard hat going to be if that bugger toppled on to you!
Forestry commission says you need a hard hat when sat on a crane loading a timber wagon. Bird ■■■■ can hurt you know.
dazteahan:
We moved a fifty tonne motor with a bridge crane at work and we still had to wear hard hats even though it was only a foot off the ground!. What use was a hard hat going to be if that bugger toppled on to you!
My point exactly!!
I have done a bit of chimney sweeping in my time,back in the old days the wee boys did the work because they fitted in small spaces.If the sweeping wasnt done there would have been more fires.This was an early form of H.and S .Asbestos was phased out when better materials were invented.
Removing Asbestos and Health and Safety are two completely different things. Asbestos will kill you, but standing at a goods in window in trainers and no HiViz will not 
I was told I had to wear highviz hard hat and safety glasses to go on a cross rail site and we don’t even get out of the lorry on the job.
dazteahan:
We moved a fifty tonne motor with a bridge crane at work and we still had to wear hard hats even though it was only a foot off the ground!. What use was a hard hat going to be if that bugger toppled on to you!
It might - if some banker had left a hammer or crowbar on top of it.
This is the problem, wether with vosa or H&S. They justify their jobs by making and enforcing laws. Once those laws are enforced, they cant sit idle, they have to justify their wage so its only logical that they need to bring in new laws for the sake of their very survival, otherwise there would be job cuts, redundancies and the like.
As for whats next. I dread to think. For the UK I think we will shadow the Germans, and bring in their laws a few years behind them. After all, theres no one more apt at bringing in highly condescending laws with disproportionately huge fines than the Germans.
Once thats run its course they’ll have to start altering the EU driving hours across the EU to give Vosa/BAG etc another few years to exist as they do with their current size of work force.
The one certainty in all this is that as every year that passes, our job will involve less and less actual driving and more and more paperwork, risk assessments, regulation, bureaucracy, jobsworths and any other clingers on who cant earn a wage in a commercial economy so have to draw their wage at the expense of people doing their jobs who are easy targets for so many ‘organisations’ such as the transport industry.
Health and safety is an industry of its own now. I did two jobs yesterday. Travis perkins at brackmills, where the goods in office had at least 100 Travis perkins academy health and safety certificates on the wall, then woodlands logistics at chelmsford. Was handed a blue hi viz at the gate house by diesel, who really rates himself by the look of him bowling across the yard. I said I had a high viz. He said I need a blue one as that’s how they know who’s a driver. I have a massive maritime logo on my high viz. His one stank like a dead mountain goat, so it went on the step and not on my back. I didn’t hand my keys in either, naughty aren’t I. Last week I went to toys r us at coventry. No handing keys in, sit in the motor, old school. Guess what, not one driver or member of staff died the whole time I was there. They have to keep dreaming up crap or they will lose their £100k a year and company cars. Most of the blue chips are going over old health and safety. Changing original rules to justify existence. Really boils my ■■■■.
As someone who has suffered an injury due to a company flouting H+S law, i’m all for H+S.
People are quick to moan about it, but when it affects you, it’s a different matter.
I am all for H.andS. so long as it doesnt over ride C. S. common sense.Wearing hard hats in cabs with steelies wont help any one.
alamcculloch:
I am all for H.andS. so long as it doesnt over ride C. S. common sense.Wearing hard hats in cabs with steelies wont help any one.
My thoughts exactly. Don’t get me wrong, nobody should be crawling over the top deck of a double decker, but most h&s borders on lunacy
OVLOV JAY:
alamcculloch:
I am all for H.andS. so long as it doesnt over ride C. S. common sense.Wearing hard hats in cabs with steelies wont help any one.My thoughts exactly. Don’t get me wrong, nobody should be crawling over the top deck of a double decker, but most h&s borders on lunacy
Exactly. Unfortunetely ‘common sense’ is a dirty word in the UK now. Basic H&S is one thing, but wearing a blue vis-vest rather than an orange one isn’t going to stop anyone from being injured at work.
No, but at least they’ll know who’s dead 
OVLOV JAY:
No, but at least they’ll know who’s dead
You may get killed, but I wont. I’d be wearing a hard hat, you see!