I was listening to a farmers radio show once , they were talking about food provenance (where it comes from) turns out that Grampian chicken is from Thailand. Gets shipped into Rotterdam and distributed all over the E.U.
alamcculloch:
I was listening to a farmers radio show once , they were talking about food provenance (where it comes from) turns out that Grampian chicken is from Thailand. Gets shipped into Rotterdam and distributed all over the E.U.
Most frozen chickens come from Brazil to the EU and UK
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We have the same here. We buy local whenever we can. We have a butchers/seafood shop near us. The meat is all local and bacon is fantastic. They have their own prawn trawler and most of the seafood is local. The big boys sell Bassa from the filthy area around the Mekong Delta but we wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. We also have a local chippie, once again with their own trawler so we’re lucky as far as that goes. Local fruit and vegie in season, so we’ve got it made. We pay a bit more for the good stuff but it’s well worth it for the taste alone, let alone the fact it’s not got a load of crap in it. Oh and a local dairy too.
I still can’t get rid of this bloody gut. 
Franglais:
But ethical purchasing is like a January 1st diet, it won`t last long:
Nowt to do with ethical.
Scottish and Irish beef is the best in the world.
Buy it from Lidl or aldi…and you won’t have your pants removed.
commonrail:
Franglais:
But ethical purchasing is like a January 1st diet, it won`t last long:Nowt to do with ethical.
Scottish and Irish beef is the best in the world.
Buy it from Lidl or aldi…and you won’t have your pants removed.
Hereford is the best in the world.But the EU Federalist zbwits would prefer to eat horse meat labelled as Beef just so long as it’s got an EU flag on it.
Wheel Nut:
alamcculloch:
I was listening to a farmers radio show once , they were talking about food provenance (where it comes from) turns out that Grampian chicken is from Thailand. Gets shipped into Rotterdam and distributed all over the E.U.Most frozen chickens come from Brazil to the EU and UK
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Grampian Chicken is Grampian Country Foods: established in Scotland 1980, they were sold to VION Holdings a Dutch company, in 2008.
There was an associated company, Grampian Foods Siam, in Thailand, that was sold off in 2009, by VION.
Two Sisters acquired the UK arm of Vion in March 2013.
Two Sisters sold off Goodfellas Pizzas in 2018 but still has Fox`s Biscuits, Hollands Pies, and fresh and frozen food businesses.
It has 23,000 employees and, by turnover, is the largest UK food company.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grampian_Country_Foods
thepoultrysite.com/news/2009/09 … operations
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vion_NV
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Sisters_Food_Group
UK chicken meat import/export:
Again, it`s a bit complicated.
Different markets have differing preferences. We tend to import white chicken meat (breast) and export dark chicken meat (leg). Overall we are 60% self sufficient.
bbc.com/news/business-46347138 … Dec 2018
“The largest portion of these imports is fresh or frozen chicken and other poultry meat, of which the UK last year had to buy 438,000 tonnes in other countries. The Netherlands supplied 190,500 tonnes or 43% of total imports in this category. Last year, Dutch exports of this meat to the UK was 7% higher than in the 2 previous years. Other major suppliers are Poland which sent 65,500 tonnes to the British market, followed by Ireland, Germany and Belgium. However, imports of processed poultry products mostly come from much further away, with Thailand supplying 127,200 tonnes and Brasil 42,200 tonnes.”
poultryworld.net/Meat/Artic … -2821542W/ … June 2016
2015 Statista shows total UK poultry meat imports of about 400,000 tonnes of which 38.000 tonnes were non EU sources.
statista.com/statistics/316 … ingdom-uk/
Does some the 193,000 tonnes of Dutch poultry meat we imported originate elsewhere? I don`t know how reliably all the above figures were gathered. However Dutch poultry meat production in 2018 was about 1,100,000 tonnes. (statista again).
Due to the trade deals in place the EU specifies the conditions under which imported meats are raised, and may impose tariffs. We can avoid lower welfare standards by foreign farmers undercutting our own high welfare farmers.
Any future deals with new partners will need to worked out. As a single country, post Brexit, rather than as part of a big trading block, will we better placed to negotiate? Will we get a better deal for our farmers or will we sacrifice standards to gain access to fresh markets for our exporters?
We export some chicken meat, but import more. Most of our imports, by far, are from the EU. Some is from Thailand and Brazil.
You guys are all nuts.
If we leave the EU we have to strike a trade deal with the US in which we are forced to eat their chicken.
Even your local butcher will have to send his meat to the US to get it chlorine washed then they send it back to him.
They will literally force it down our throats there will not be a choice of i don’t know competition… In which you have a choice of buying cheaper american chicken over the more expensive but better quality British variant.
Nope you will all be forced to eat dirty american chicken that kills billions of Americans every year. You will all be eating chlorinated chicken nonstop 24/7 until you die.
fear mongering is fun.
Silver_Surfer:
As an aside, when was the last time anyone had a real sausage in a greasy spoon? Can’t stand them breaded tat “sausages” they serve because they’re cheap. Should introduce a minimum meat content for sausages to call them that.As you were. [emoji3]
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“There are various laws concerning the meat content of sausages in the UK. The minimum meat content to be labelled Pork Sausages is 42% (30% for other types of meat sausages), although to be classed as meat, the Pork can contain 30% fat and 25% connective tissue. Often the cheapest supermarket pork sausages do not have the necessary meat content to be described as “pork sausages” and are simply labelled “sausages”; with even less meat content they are described as “bangers” (an unregulated name).[20][dubious – discuss] These typically contain MRM which was previously included in meat content, but under later EU law cannot be so described.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage
There are laws…maybe not as strict as you`d expect though.
Tesco Finest pork sausages 97% pork £6.25 kilo.
Tesco Value sausages 42% pork…not available.
Tesco Butcher`s Choice 42% pork £1.01 kilo.
Big difference, even in the same shop.
adam277:
You guys are all nuts.If we leave the EU we have to strike a trade deal with the US in which we are forced to eat their chicken.
Even your local butcher will have to send his meat to the US to get it chlorine washed then they send it back to him.
They will literally force it down our throats there will not be a choice of i don’t know competition… In which you have a choice of buying cheaper american chicken over the more expensive but better quality British variant.Nope you will all be forced to eat dirty american chicken that kills billions of Americans every year. You will all be eating chlorinated chicken nonstop 24/7 until you die.
fear mongering is fun.
Almost correct. The phrase is “project fear”.
Saying “project fear” absolves the sayer from any need to think for themselves. It means that any further debate and discussion is unnecessary.
Facts automatically become irrelevant once the magic mantra “project fear” is spoken by the priesthood!
Franglais:
There are laws…maybe not as strict as you`d expect though.Tesco Finest pork sausages 97% pork £6.25 kilo.
Tesco Value sausages 42% pork…not available.
Tesco Butcher`s Choice 42% pork £1.01 kilo.
Big difference, even in the same shop.
Anyone buying their meat from Tesco would probably be better off buying American imports, to call what Tesco labels ‘meat’ meat is a very lose definition of the word meat
commonrail:
Franglais:
But ethical purchasing is like a January 1st diet, it won`t last long:Nowt to do with ethical.
Scottish and Irish beef is the best in the world.
Buy it from Lidl or aldi…and you won’t have your pants removed.
Your completeLy right, nothing compares to UK beef, here in NSW… he grass is not as lush as back home. We are in drought and was all winter, PeterM will vouch for that…
I do miss having a nice beef steak when finishing work on my fridays, but I used to do 4 on 4 off … beats eating a mars bar and orange in a lay by.
adam277:
You guys are all nuts.If we leave the EU we have to strike a trade deal with the US in which we are forced to eat their chicken.
Even your local butcher will have to send his meat to the US to get it chlorine washed then they send it back to him.
They will literally force it down our throats there will not be a choice of i don’t know competition… In which you have a choice of buying cheaper american chicken over the more expensive but better quality British variant.Nope you will all be forced to eat dirty american chicken that kills billions of Americans every year. You will all be eating chlorinated chicken nonstop 24/7 until you die.
fear mongering is fun.
As opposed to the British (Indian) Chicken industry who look after their birds so well.
Before Grampian, the country was called DB Marshall or Marshall Food Group and they were feeding their chickens on offal which came from the supermarkets who were buying these birds. They also had an issue with the feed which killed many of their stock, so Marshall ceased to exist and Grampian took over. This was around the time of Mad Cow Disease.
Indeed.
To be honest me personally I could not give a toss.
If I want decent meat I go local.
If I want cheap meat I go supermarket.
It doesn’t kill you. Well at least not yet.
Lets not forget how we all used to live a few hundred years ago. the chicken would be left out in the sun for days on end and if it got a bit maggoty then you just scrap the maggots off. 
You can also save up the maggots to mash em up and or just eat them raw.
Nowadays if someone has a hair in their food they get rushed to A&E for a stomach pump.
I think we are too pampered in this country go to a food market in China and see the state of the food. On display for 12+ hours and almost all of it unrefrigerated. Although to be fair most of the food is still breathing. 
adam277:
You guys are all nuts.If we leave the EU we have to strike a trade deal with the US in which we are forced to eat their chicken.
Even your local butcher will have to send his meat to the US to get it chlorine washed then they send it back to him.
They will literally force it down our throats there will not be a choice of i don’t know competition… In which you have a choice of buying cheaper american chicken over the more expensive but better quality British variant.Nope you will all be forced to eat dirty american chicken that kills billions of Americans every year. You will all be eating chlorinated chicken nonstop 24/7 until you die.
discoman:
commonrail:
Franglais:
But ethical purchasing is like a January 1st diet, it won`t last long:Nowt to do with ethical.
Scottish and Irish beef is the best in the world.
Buy it from Lidl or aldi…and you won’t have your pants removed.Your completeLy right, nothing compares to UK beef, here in NSW… he grass is not as lush as back home. We are in drought and was all winter, PeterM will vouch for that…
I do miss having a nice beef steak when finishing work on my fridays, but I used to do 4 on 4 off … beats eating a mars bar and orange in a lay by.
It’s obvious that farming is all dependent on climate which obviously counts out huge swathes of Australia being too hot and too dry.Having distant family there I do know that Victoria is as good as Oz gets for farming.
adam277:
Indeed.To be honest me personally I could not give a toss.
If I want decent meat I go local.
If I want cheap meat I go supermarket.It doesn’t kill you. Well at least not yet.
Lets not forget how we all used to live a few hundred years ago. the chicken would be left out in the sun for days on end and if it got a bit maggoty then you just scrap the maggots off.You can also save up the maggots to mash em up and or just eat them raw.
Nowadays if someone has a hair in their food they get rushed to A&E for a stomach pump.
I think we are too pampered in this country go to a food market in China and see the state of the food. On display for 12+ hours and almost all of it unrefrigerated. Although to be fair most of the food is still breathing.
American standards are as bad as bongo bongo land.If the EU Federalists said so it must be true.
cdc.gov/foodsafety/chicken.html
nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/ne … w-chicken/
Picture the scene tonnes of cheap US chicken being shipped across the Atlantic for a higher cost than the stuff is worth when it gets here.Customers being forced to buy it on arrival.Project fear goes on.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about. I’m a Fallen stock (dead farm animals) collector and we also handle butchers waste and out of date food from the supermarkets
During the summer , naturally, there are lots of maggots etc and sometimes you just can’t help but get covered in them plus all sorts of other ■■■■ that runs out of the dead animals etc.
I am never ill and neither are any of the guys I work with. A mate of mine works in a swimming pool and is constantly washing his hands etc. He seems to always be ill and catching bugs etc.
I think what I’m trying to say is that yes we are far too pampered these days.
Sorry for the long winded post.
There is such a thing as being too clean. Your body adapts to the environment be sensible with your personal hygiene and working with dead beasts or sewage is ok if not very pleasant.
Won’t stop people going to the States on holiday though.
Wheelnut, you are wrong, yes, it was DB Marshall, but the feed was not offal from supermarkets, it was the dead birds on the farms that were collected and ground down and cooked and mixed with the feed from their own mills, so, in effect, no waste, all the dead ones were collected from the farms and taken bzck to the factoy to be cooked, I was that driver.
Sapper