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I recently got a £120 parking ticket for a 2 minute stop in Islington. I managed not to injure the T/W even though my companion at the time was built like a brick [zb] house and the stop was because of one his needs (hungry).
I think it’s ironic that I could have stopped on the pavement directly outside the shop and got away with it compared to where I did stop.
Ahh well. Good reason to blacklist London to visit
THE TEMPLAR:
You are joking arnt you urban1 , just remind me again where the roads are ok , ■■ have you been on the A66 recently , and what about the chinless wonders who think its a laugh to throw cones in front of trucks , one of the subbies in our yard is suing the HA hes got them on film throwing stuff at passing trucks , thugs most of them .
In answer to you regarding throwing cones out there is normally at reason for it,
senerio for you; if your in Ln3 or Ln4 and are placing cones out to form a taper 150 long and some idiot is still driving straight at you having not seen the warning signs what would you do just stand there. You could jump out of the way but then your mate who’s behind you and is not looking at the traffic gets hit.
Seeing a 1mtr cone put in front of you brings some back to the real world of driving
Thats why I was a thug but only to the idiots
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The Highway Man:
I hope not!! I done that before I became a HATO
Now that I can believe, although I thought you were an ex military policeman and prisoner custody officer. You’ve been a busy lad haven’t you? While you’re on your feet, make us a brew!!
what fun we’ve had this week…some clown decided to close the m6 at junction 5 at 10 pm…for roadworks.fine for everyone else sent along the diversion route,but i’m towing a geopost artic(approx 80 foot total length) in and get diverted along the fort shopping centre dual carriageway and round the bloody roller coaster island nr the old bromford steelworks…obviously no-one wants to give any space up and it was nose to tail all the way back to the spaghetti junction…there were a few close moments.
couldn’t they have closed it at midnight? there was still a hell of a lot of traffic on it at 10 pm.
Well i think i’ve got the answer. we dress up Gordon brown, ruth kelly, and ken livingstone in bright orange overalls they act as mobile traffic cones on the more dangerous stretches of our roads.
limeyphil:
Well i think i’ve got the answer. we dress up Gordon brown, ruth kelly, and ken livingstone in bright orange overalls they act as mobile traffic cones on the more dangerous stretches of our roads.
I think you will have full agreement on this from everyone on this site!! (now that’s a first )
The Highway Man:
I’m starting to find myself repeating things over and over again We are not here to replace the police!! We are here to manage the traffic on our network, nothing more, nothing less!! We do not deal with police matters. The new powers you say we are getting are nothing to do with criminal matters, it is traffic management powers. As it stands at the moment, if a vehicle is found abandoned on the motorway network, we have to radio our control, who in turn, telephones the relevant police control room and requests that the duty rota garage collects the vehicle and clears it from the network. The police control will then phone our control and tell them which garage is coming out and how long it will be. Our control then radios us and passes the information to us. As you can see this is a long winded way of doing things, all that is going to happen is that the H.A. will have the relevant powers to allow them to deal with the duty garage directly, nothing underhanded, nothing sinister, just cutting down on duplication and reducing waiting times for the HATO patrols stuck on the hard shoulder for any longer than need be, which we all agree is a pretty dangerous place to be at times The same is also the case in RTC’s, commercial recovery companies, i.e. RAC, AA, Green Flag, etc. will not pick up one of their members vehicles if it has been involved in a RTC. Therefore duty garage has to come and retrieve it. If the vehicle is immovable, it makes sense to get the duty out as quickly as possible to get the lane/lanes reopened as soon as possible. This is what the extra powers are for As for Jase, I wouldn’t worry too much about him, we are not going to get any type of enforcement powers, or other powers of any kind, any time in the near future. The powers we have now are more than adequate for the job we are trained to do. If we do get any extra powers, it’ll be a long time time down the line when we are well and truly old sweats on the motorway network. You have to agree that, as a rule, we have got our standards pretty high in a short space of time. Once we have doing the job for, say, 10 years everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about
How will cutting out a phone call from you control to the police control cut the waiting time for a rota gargage to attend a breakdown or rta as it will still take them upto an hour to attend who ever calls. Who will pay the fee for removal when a vehicle is wrongly removed, will you be dealing with the same rota garages as the police or will you have your own appointed recovery agents, as that could get very confusing for the misfortunate person involved in an rta who has then gone to hospital and not present when there vehicle is removed.
Out of intrest how do you find you are percieved by the motorway police that you are assisting/replacing?
Greg:
How will cutting out a phone call from your control to the police control cut the waiting time for a rota garage to attend a breakdown or rta as it will still take them up to an hour to attend who ever calls. Who will pay the fee for removal when a vehicle is wrongly removed, will you be dealing with the same rota garages as the police or will you have your own appointed recovery agents, as that could get very confusing for the unfortunate person involved in an rta who has then gone to hospital and not present when there vehicle is removed.
Out of interest how do you find you are perceived by the motorway police that you are assisting/replacing?
We’ve had occasions when both control rooms have been very busy and that has delayed the passage of information, by dealing directly with rota garage we can get them en route much faster. As for recovery agents, I believe we will still be using the same agents in our area as they have all the necessary equipment, but don’t quote me on that The vehicle will not be wrongly removed as our team managers in the control centre will have the final say so on whether a vehicle is lifted from the network. It wont be lifted on the say so of a single officer, a number of various criteria will have to be met in order for the offending vehicle to be removed. Following an RTC the driver/owner of the vehicle is informed by the police where the vehicle has been taken to, this will not change. In my county, we don’t have a dedicated motorway unit, the motorway is covered by the RPU whose division the stretch of motorway passes through, personally I feel we have a good working relationship with our police colleagues. It was a bit strange at first with us being the new kids on the block, but the longer we’re doing the job and the more experience we’re getting, the stronger our relationship with the police is becoming. We even do joint motorway patrols with the police when staffing levels allow We are still here to assist/supplement the police, not replace them
Greg:
How will cutting out a phone call from your control to the police control cut the waiting time for a rota garage to attend a breakdown or rta as it will still take them up to an hour to attend who ever calls. Who will pay the fee for removal when a vehicle is wrongly removed, will you be dealing with the same rota garages as the police or will you have your own appointed recovery agents, as that could get very confusing for the unfortunate person involved in an rta who has then gone to hospital and not present when there vehicle is removed.
Out of interest how do you find you are perceived by the motorway police that you are assisting/replacing?
We’ve had occasions when both control rooms have been very busy and that has delayed the passage of information, by dealing directly with rota garage we can get them en route much faster. As for recovery agents, I believe we will still be using the same agents in our area as they have all the necessary equipment, but don’t quote me on that The vehicle will not be wrongly removed as our team managers in the control centre will have the final say so on whether a vehicle is lifted from the network. It wont be lifted on the say so of a single officer, a number of various criteria will have to be met in order for the offending vehicle to be removed. Following an RTC the driver/owner of the vehicle is informed by the police where the vehicle has been taken to, this will not change. In my county, we don’t have a dedicated motorway unit, the motorway is covered by the RPU whose division the stretch of motorway passes through, personally I feel we have a good working relationship with our police colleagues. It was a bit strange at first with us being the new kids on the block, but the longer we’re doing the job and the more experience we’re getting, the stronger our relationship with the police is becoming. We even do joint motorway patrols with the police when staffing levels allow We are still here to assist/supplement the police, not replace them
If it is then left to the police though to pas on he information of where the vehicle has been tken does that not defeat the object as the whole process of control rooms having to contact each other begins again.
This is not a dig at you but how is you doubling up with the police in patrol either beneficial or cost effective, as you would efectively be a redundant passenger being paid a wage as every incident you go too can be dealt with by a police officer however the roles cannot be reversed if you get what i mean. Where as if you were both on patrol you could as previously stated go to an incident where said police are not required leaving them free for other incidents
Greg:
If it is then left to the police though to pass on the information of where the vehicle has been then does that not defeat the object as the whole process of control rooms having to contact each other begins again.
This is not a dig at you but how is you doubling up with the police in patrol either beneficial or cost effective, as you would effectively be a redundant passenger being paid a wage as every incident you go too can be dealt with by a police officer however the roles cannot be reversed if you get what i mean. Where as if you were both on patrol you could as previously stated go to an incident where said police are not required leaving them free for other incidents
The police would still deal with this side of things as we do not deal with injury RTC’s, that is still a police matter. If it’s a non injury, the driver goes with the recovery vehicle and arranges a replacement vehicle through his/her insurer. The joint patrols are a way if seeing how the 2 organisations work and give the police an insight into what training we have done and what we’re capable of doing. Apart from dealing with criminal matters we can do pretty much what the police can do on the motorway. So any incidents attended by a joint patrol, the HATO is more than capable of holding his own so to speak without being babysat by the police officer. We attend nearly all incidents in our county and our first on scene more often than not with the RPU having a large area to cover. Any incident that requires a HATO, a patrol will be tasked leaving the joint patrol to resume.
wrecktech100:
what fun we’ve had this week…some clown decided to close the m6 at junction 5 at 10 pm…for roadworks.fine for everyone else sent along the diversion route,but i’m towing a geopost artic(approx 80 foot total length) in and get diverted along the fort shopping centre dual carriageway and round the bloody roller coaster island nr the old bromford steelworks…obviously no-one wants to give any space up and it was nose to tail all the way back to the spaghetti junction…there were a few close moments.
couldn’t they have closed it at midnight? there was still a hell of a lot of traffic on it at 10 pm.
Possibly but name your preference
if it shut’s 10pm til 5am, it affects 1-2 or a few guys with 80 footer’s
or 00.00 midnight til 7am, when in impacts on all the skateboards and regular freight, which will have most impact on the traffic if it runs into rush hour/busier times.
And stop bragging just because you have a longer length than most of those around you
The Highway Man:
The police would still deal with this side of things as we do not deal with injury RTC’s, that is still a police matter…
Yes they do, Hato’s are despatched to all rtc’s even injury (and arrive 1st sometimes because they generally patrol more frequently and not sat in doing paperwork therefore finding more incidents sooner and fulfilling the role of getting traffic flowing quicker)
I’m getting very confused and going further for the proper clarification,
Highway code rule no ■■( i’ll have to check the right one) all injury rtc’s must be reported to the police within 30 day’s, after asking BIB from different forces as to whether their attendance is required at an injury rtc the answer on all occasions was no as long as the law was followed (and depending on severity of injuries) and all details have been exchanged
The Highway Man:
The police would still deal with this side of things as we do not deal with injury RTC’s, that is still a police matter…
Yes they do, Hato’s are despatched to all rtc’s even injury (and arrive 1st sometimes because they generally patrol more frequently and not sat in doing paperwork therefore finding more incidents sooner and fulfilling the role of getting traffic flowing quicker)
What I meant was police will attend all injury RTC’s on my stretch of the slab and will deal until they have sorted their end out, however non injury RTC’s once police have established there are no criminal matters, it is left for the HATO’s to deal.
"The Highway Man
police will attend all injury RTC’s on my stretch of the slab quote:
WHY? Is that not a misuse of a valuable policing resource ?, This is only for accident data/statistics, is that a policing role ? or a highways role as they are the ones who need to get their act together if there is a high accident frequency and find/implement solutions or should we just leave it to the office for national statistics ?
So the question still is
Highway code rule no ■■( i’ll have to check the right one) all injury rtc’s must be reported to the police within 30 day’s, after asking BIB from different forces as to whether their attendance is required at an injury rtc the answer on all occasions was no as long as the law was followed (and depending on severity of injuries) and all details have been exchanged.
Right, lets deal with the road policing issue first.
HATO’s were never meant to replace road policing. We are not trained or equipped to do a constables job.
However in the surreal world of Parliament, we are (as with PCSO’s) being asked more and more to deal with incidents that the police should deal with.
Unfortunately, senior officers in many forces have used HATO’s as an opportunity to reduce road policing. This is a mistake. We were supposed to an addition not a replacement.
I would like far more road policing than was in place before we started. From a selfish point of view, I don’t want to deal with a drugged up or drunk pedestrian who aggressive for any longer than is needed.
How are we perceived by the police.
At first it was a bit strained but we have in my area learnt a lot from them.
Some were great from the start, most have come round as we have built our skills. TBH I am finding that those BiB that are new to the motorway are now the worst.
And lastly Speedyguy.
Your experience may be that with regard to injury RTC’s but where I am we will always inform the local force. It is up to them to decide if it is a police matter.
"The Highway Man
police will attend all injury RTC’s on my stretch of the slab quote:
WHY? Is that not a misuse of a valuable policing resource ?, This is only for accident data/statistics, is that a policing role ? or a highways role as they are the ones who need to get their act together if there is a high accident frequency and find/implement solutions or should we just leave it to the office for national statistics ?
So the question still is
Highway code rule no ■■( i’ll have to check the right one) all injury rtc’s must be reported to the police within 30 day’s, after asking BIB from different forces as to whether their attendance is required at an injury rtc the answer on all occasions was no as long as the law was followed (and depending on severity of injuries) and all details have been exchanged.
How is the police attending an injury RTA a misuse of policing
An rta has to be reported within 24 hours of it occuring, be it injury or not, providing details have not been exchanged when there is no injury.
We are not here to replace the police!! We are here to manage the traffic on our network, nothing more, nothing less!! We do not deal with police matters. The new powers you say we are getting are nothing to do with criminal matters, it is traffic management powers. As it stands at the moment, if a vehicle is found abandoned on the motorway network, we have to radio our control, who in turn, telephones the relevant police control room and requests that the duty rota garage collects the vehicle and clears it from the network. The police control will then phone our control and tell them which garage is coming out and how long it will be. Our control then radios us and passes the information to us. As you can see this is a long winded way of doing things, all that is going to happen is that the H.A. will have the relevant powers to allow them to deal with the duty garage directly, nothing underhanded, nothing sinister, just cutting down on duplication and reducing waiting times for the HATO patrols stuck on the hard shoulder for any longer than need be, which we all agree is a pretty dangerous place to be at times 
