***HELP***

[dieseldave]

Wheel Nut:
Was this incident in East Kilbride. Its the only Gary Anderson I can find apart from that spear chucker off TV

If that’s coincidentally the same incident that I found; then wasn’t it a road worker, rather than a tanker driver who died?

Maybe there’s a good reason that the tanker driver’s very unfortunate death doesn’t seem to appear to have been publicly reported.

Maybe the OP could clear a few things up in this topic, including the very good point made by GoT about exactly what he’s seeking, because I’d like to help if I can.

[gidders]

If I remember correctly,many years ago one of Norman Lewis’s drivers disappeared for a time.On a factory parking area he checked the inside of his tank which had been used to discharge a flammable liquid with nitrogen but toppled in and couldn’t get out before he was overpowered by the gas.

[wheel_nut]

Gidders:
If I remember correctly,many years ago one of Norman Lewis’s drivers disappeared for a time.On a factory parking area he checked the inside of his tank which had been used to discharge a flammable liquid with nitrogen but toppled in and couldn’t get out before he was overpowered by the gas.

Unless you were there you wont know that. Bob and Stuart his Brother in Law were both good friends of mine, he didn’t go missing for a time, he was week-ended in Huls with his loading details for Monday.

I shall follow this story with interest but I do know that the HSE Executive will be all over this or have been all over it, they are not just there to point blame, they are there to prevent it happening again, but any fines go to the treasury, not to any victim or family.

[the_nodding_donkey]

Considering the o.p. is at his wits end and looking for closure, you’d think he would have acknowledged DD’s answer and ought to clarify DD’s questions…

Reading the o.p. had my bells going off, but what do I know.

[euro]

Condolencies on your loss.
Have you checked to see if your Uncle was a member of a union?

[anderss]

Afternoon guys,

I’m going to try this a different way; I do apologise about the OP, it has still been a bit of a Raw subject to type and i suffer from bad dyslexia so it was a task in itself. Il list it is key points in hope to answer any discrepancies or gapps in story.

1. Gary Anderson 52 Years old from Dunoon. Worked for a Oil Company in Argyll and Bute. Tenured 15 years plus i believe.
2. I’m looking for Answers and yes i guess Justice in ways.
3. He managed to pull the Truck over on the main Lay by just before Tighnabruaich, Argyll and Bute. I do believe he done this as he would have been in pain or suffering and decided est course would be to pull over to potentially not cause a accident. In saying this who to say he did not end up in a Loch from crashing which would then become a Environmental issue? Also not forgetting he was 100metres outside a populated area, which had at the time Residents on alert as it is unusual for his Tanker to be pulled up so long, i can assume they may have believed he was having 40 winks at the time. However Gary’s Route and deliveries were never anything he could not fufull in a 9-5pm working day, i guess he had it good! He was well known and liked from most of Argyll and Bute from Dunoon to Oban and further afield.
4. Left in his Cabin 24 hrs plus.
5. He was carrying a full tank. A full tanker would hold 30,000L.
6. HSE has not been contacted by the Company he worked for Since Jan 2020 nor has any Fatal injury inquiry logged, i know this as i had to log it myself back in Feb. I have made five separate contact with Health and safety Exec to which i can not get any solid information from, from Feb i was advised to do a RIDDOR form which i have now done twice? As first time i was told not done properly, so obviously i redone, Still nothing back from any investigation carried out.
7. Should these Trucks not be tracked? They are fitted with ePOD Delivery system and i was sure from him previously telling me a GPS Tracker.
8. There has been zero contact from the Company nor any other body to follow up with everything i feel as if im chasing this.
9. Gary was fortunate with Private insurances’ which have now been paid out and he was in zero debt which would’ve been passed to the Estate. So please trust when i say there is no financial gain/motives here just some closure for Myself&Family and if any negligence by the company or misconduct recognised and dealt with, so this does not happen to any other Drivers whom are Fathers/Brothers/Uncles/Friends.
10. Again i came here as im not familiar with any of this stuff, and looking for anything at all which a lot of people have informed me of which im deeply grateful for.

Further Note, No Authority or Body of any type have been in touch apart from when the Post Mort-um was conducted and Death certificate provided by the NHS. Police were only helpful to the tune of releasing his personal effects to us, The Company has been cold and uncooperative to anything we try and question (They have since advised us they will not speak to us and only to Lawyers), Again HSE was not informed from any party Police Scotland nor The Company or the local authority and still have not to my belief as im chasing them up. I have approached a Lawyer again and this is not for Compensation it was for any Gross misconduct but any of the Lawyers i go to wont take on the case as they would be looking to prosecute for financial compensation and they would not be able to prove if the company would be guilty and if Gary’s death could have been prevented due to the time in which he was left from and to when he was found the next day… I almost forgot it was Gary’s Colleague and close friend whom was sent to look for him as he they realised that has Truck was not back in the Depot. The person who found him is now receiving counselling. I also have my uncles Mobile phone i checked the Call records there was no attempts to call Gary or missed calls, which i would imagine should have been as there would have been Domestic and commercial deliveries missed.

Kind Regards.

[switchlogic]

Sorry for your loss, what did he die of? That post seems to imply a work related injury, if so you’re doing right to chase them

[damoq]

It sounds to me like they have concluded from the post mortem that there wasn’t anything suspicious about his death. Possibly a heart attack? In which case I wouldn’t have thought the authorities have anything else they need to do. Bit of an open and shut case.
But sounds like his company do have some explaining to do as to why it took 24hrs to realise something wasn’t right. As you say, someone should have picked up on the tracker that he wasn’t moving. And why didn’t alarm bells start ringing when he never returned to the yard that day?

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[dieseldave]

Hi Anderss,

Thanks for the detailed extra info.

I hope this may help you get the answers you need:

Anderss:
… 7. Should these Trucks not be tracked? They are fitted with ePOD Delivery system and i was sure from him previously telling me a GPS Tracker.

Please re-read what I wrote about HCDG and a security plan above, because it is very probable that your Great Uncle was correct to say that his vehicle was fitted with a tracker.

Anderss:
9. … So please trust when i say there is no financial gain/motives here just some closure for Myself&Family and if any negligence by the company or misconduct recognised and dealt with, so this does not happen to any other Drivers whom are Fathers/Brothers/Uncles/Friends.

You might consider my earlier suggestion to report the facts to DVSA and mention HCDG and an apparent lack of the company following a security plan.

Have you done this yet?

Anderss:
10. Again i came here as im not familiar with any of this stuff, and looking for anything at all which a lot of people have informed me of which im deeply grateful for.

We are trying to help you in your efforts to come to terms with your Great Uncle’s most unfortunate death.

Anderss:
Further Note, … I also have my uncles Mobile phone i checked the Call records there was no attempts to call Gary or missed calls, which i would imagine should have been as there would have been Domestic and commercial deliveries missed.

This is the very subject matter and proper evidential proof that (I feel) might interest the DVSA for the dangerous goods aspects, and the HSE for general procedures in connection with a death in the workplace… if you can spark their interest with well aimed and relevant reports.

The other thing that strikes me is that the HSE have their own policy requirements (including in Scotland) for keeping a bereaved family informed, so have you or other family members heard anything from HSE?

Last question… are you sure that your Great Uncle’s death was in Jan 2019 as you said in your first post, or was it January 2020?

[anderss]

Hi All and @DieselDave,Thanks for getting back in Touch the HSE have not and im chasing my tail every time i contact them, To my knowledge they do not have a record of me calling and stating that my Uncle has passed… i compiled two riddor forms and FAI, from when he passed on Jan 2020 (I done this in Feb) neither the Company nor authorities had notified them, which as you can imagine made me upset. It has been me the full time been contacting the Health and Safety Exec. I have since recorded a complaint with them. As for what you have said in earlier replies, i will be in contact with those channels as its the first and possibly the singular avenue we have been directed. Thank you all

[anderss]

Hi All and @DieselDave,Thanks for getting back in Touch the HSE have not and im chasing my tail every time i contact them, To my knowledge they do not have a record of me calling and stating that my Uncle has passed… i compiled two riddor forms and FAI, from when he passed on Jan 2020 (I done this in Feb) neither the Company nor authorities had notified them, which as you can imagine made me upset.

It has been me the full time been contacting the Health and Safety Exec. I have since recorded a complaint with them. As for what you have said in earlier replies, i will be in contact with those channels as its the first and possibly the singular avenue we have been directed. Thank you all

[dieseldave]

Anderss:
Hi All and @DieselDave,Thanks for getting back in Touch the HSE have not and im chasing my tail every time i contact them, To my knowledge they do not have a record of me calling and stating that my Uncle has passed… i compiled two riddor forms and FAI, from when he passed on Jan 2020 (I done this in Feb) neither the Company nor authorities had notified them, which as you can imagine made me upset.

Hi Anderss,

I think that what got a few of us thinking was your typo ‘2019’ (instead of 2020) in your first post because that would have been unusually long period for no details to be available or answers given to you.

I can’t speak for the HSE, nor do I know who did/didn’t report what or when, but I can say that if yours was the first/only report they received, then the apparent delay might be to do with any number of issues connected to the COVID-19 situation. There’s no harm in asking HSE about progress though.

Anderss:
It has been me the full time been contacting the Health and Safety Exec. I have since recorded a complaint with them. As for what you have said in earlier replies, i will be in contact with those channels as its the first and possibly the singular avenue we have been directed. Thank you all

Here’s how to contact DVSA at their HQ:

DVSA
Berkeley House
Croydon Street
Bristol
BS5 0DA

As I said earlier, DVSA have specially trained officers for HCDG, so a good tip in your initial contact/report with them would be for you to mention that your Great Uncle died and was possibly carrying HCDG in a tanker at the time of his death.

You can raise the important question of the company’s reaction (or lack of it) to the fact that your Great Uncle’s vehicle being immobile for an unusual period on the day of his death should have been known and reacted to by his employer, but hasn’t been satisfactorily explained to you or the family.

You should be prepared that DVSA might not get back to you, but they will investigate and then take whatever action is necessary under the law. This process may take some time.

I still feel that your best source of info about the general circumstances of your Great Uncle’s death, the timings of when something was reported, as well as the reactions of the emergency services would be from the Police. You could ask them for an update.

In any dealings with DVSA, Police or HSE you may need to keep a note of the reference number(s) they give you for the case that you’re asking them to look at. They are different organisations and therefore each have their own ways of operating.