The job you were originally taken on to do is no longer there
the company have offered you other employment within the remit of your experience and credentials
If your original contract whether verbal or written was for basic hours and then overtime and nights out if required and you are still to get the basic hours at the same rate of pay then the company have fulfilled their legal obligation
That’s how I see it but I am certainly no legal expert on employment law
Thanks similar thoughts that I have been mulling over the past few days they are being clever to the letter or flexability of the law I will see where I stand come Monday hopefully.
I maybe posting my availability for employment on here in the not to distant future
You’re in a union, so make them work for you, this is the reason why you pay your fees.
The company want you to leave on your own accord, they might already know its cheaper and less hassle for them that way.
I had an arguement with some of the lads I work with this week, because I told them I’m in a union. They reckon they can look after themselves, but none of them are employment law specialists, and many bosses aren’t either. Over the years I’ve seen many shabby and poorly dealt with employment situations that could have been solved in a far better way had both side understood their rights and responsibilities.
Most solicitors will give you 20-30 min free advice so contact an employment law or 2 ask them the question ( if it were me I would write them down so I wouldnt forget )
muckles:
You’re in a union, so make them work for you, this is the reason why you pay your fees.
The company want you to leave on your own accord, they might already know its cheaper and less hassle for them that way.
I had an arguement with some of the lads I work with this week, because I told them I’m in a union. They reckon they can look after themselves, but none of them are employment law specialists, and many bosses aren’t either. Over the years I’ve seen many shabby and poorly dealt with employment situations that could have been solved in a far better way had both side understood their rights and responsibilities.
Thanks,
Yeah i’m a union member and will be making the phone call come Monday, the people I work for are what is know as cute or they think they are… and managed the union membership out of the contract site through what some people would call intimadation of the work force (strong words I know) so the few remaining union members on site can not get union representation on site because the management do not recognise it
muckles:
You’re in a union, so make them work for you, this is the reason why you pay your fees.
The company want you to leave on your own accord, they might already know its cheaper and less hassle for them that way.
I had an arguement with some of the lads I work with this week, because I told them I’m in a union. They reckon they can look after themselves, but none of them are employment law specialists, and many bosses aren’t either. Over the years I’ve seen many shabby and poorly dealt with employment situations that could have been solved in a far better way had both side understood their rights and responsibilities.
Thanks,
Yeah i’m a union member and will be making the phone call come Monday, the people I work for are what is know as cute or they think they are… and managed the union membership out of the contract site through what some people would call intimadation of the work force (strong words I know) so the few remaining union members on site can not get union representation on site because the management do not recognise it
if they aren’t following employment legislation, It doesn’t matter whether they reconise the union or not. But you need expert help here, not MMTM advice, either because your company has expert advice or because they are running rough shod over the law.
It’s worth considering is how much aggro can you put up with for 6 weeks money untaxed; what they will have to pay you to make you redundant, and 6 & a half for every year after you were 45; and who else is going to write you a cheque for that sort of money.
However if you decide to stick it out remember they could well try to find some excuse to sack you, and they may well try very hard indeed. So in your discussions with ACAS or the union make sure you ask about dirty tricks.
muckles:
You’re in a union, so make them work for you, this is the reason why you pay your fees.
The company want you to leave on your own accord, they might already know its cheaper and less hassle for them that way.
I had an arguement with some of the lads I work with this week, because I told them I’m in a union. They reckon they can look after themselves, but none of them are employment law specialists, and many bosses aren’t either. Over the years I’ve seen many shabby and poorly dealt with employment situations that could have been solved in a far better way had both side understood their rights and responsibilities.
Thanks,
Yeah i’m a union member and will be making the phone call come Monday, the people I work for are what is know as cute or they think they are… and managed the union membership out of the contract site through what some people would call intimadation of the work force (strong words I know) so the few remaining union members on site can not get union representation on site because the management do not recognise it
if they aren’t following employment legislation, It doesn’t matter whether they reconise the union or not. But you need expert help here, not MMTM advice, either because your company has expert advice or because they are running rough shod over the law.
Fair comment I will see come Monday thanks for taking the time to reply
cav551:
It’s worth considering is how much aggro can you put up with for 6 weeks money untaxed; what they will have to pay you to make you redundant, and 6 & a half for every year after you were 45; and who else is going to write you a cheque for that sort of money.
However if you decide to stick it out remember they could well try to find some excuse to sack you, and they may well try very hard indeed. So in your discussions with ACAS or the union make sure you ask about dirty tricks.
again similar thoughts i’ve been having is it worth the aggro
I will certainly ask the dirty tricks question Thanks…
You might, after your consultation with your legal advisor, have to accept one of the 2 posts “under duress” and start looking else where for a new position. I say under duress, make sure that anything you sign is noted as such, keep a copy, there are free scanner apps for smart phones, that will build an audit trail of events. Then make certain that you do every thing by the book until you have your new job.
cav551:
It’s worth considering is how much aggro can you put up with for 6 weeks money untaxed; what they will have to pay you to make you redundant, and 6 & a half for every year after you were 45; and who else is going to write you a cheque for that sort of money.
However if you decide to stick it out remember they could well try to find some excuse to sack you, and they may well try very hard indeed. So in your discussions with ACAS or the union make sure you ask about dirty tricks.
i had a similar thing a few years back, my contract was permanent nights, but after a while there were only 3 of us with these contracts and everyone one else had a contract which included days and nights, well they tried to get us to do days, which we refused having done nights for 10yrs, union sold us and others down the river without a care in the world… however 1 lads sister was a self employed employment law advisor mainly to the hotel trade, but we took advise from her and represented ourselves, we were given 6 months notice to sign a new contract and if we didnt we were deemed to be making ourselves unemployed, with no redundancy ect, we went to the last date and attended work as usual, we were escorted to the managers office where we were offered a settlement package, which was more then double any redundancy payment with an added 13 weeks full pay on top… there is a word for the package but cant think of it, tbh there was a bit of bum twitching going on as the date got closer but it worked for us, so go and see a employment specialist, but if i was you id stay with it till the last day… if you look for something else and leave now you may be loosing out on something??
Wiretwister:
You might, after your consultation with your legal advisor, have to accept one of the 2 posts “under duress” and start looking else where for a new position. I say under duress, make sure that anything you sign is noted as such, keep a copy, there are free scanner apps for smart phones, that will build an audit trail of events. Then make certain that you do every thing by the book until you have your new job.
Thanks, they have not put anything in writing yet but I know, that the operations manager wants to speak to me again this week so I will see. will find out hopefully where I stand tomorrow after my phone calls. I am down the road for 2 night so home again on Wednesday and repost the feed back I get.
dle1uk:
i had a similar thing a few years back, my contract was permanent nights, but after a while there were only 3 of us with these contracts and everyone one else had a contract which included days and nights, well they tried to get us to do days, which we refused having done nights for 10yrs, union sold us and others down the river without a care in the world… however 1 lads sister was a self employed employment law advisor mainly to the hotel trade, but we took advise from her and represented ourselves, we were given 6 months notice to sign a new contract and if we didnt we were deemed to be making ourselves unemployed, with no redundancy ect, we went to the last date and attended work as usual, we were escorted to the managers office where we were offered a settlement package, which was more then double any redundancy payment with an added 13 weeks full pay on top… there is a word for the package but cant think of it, tbh there was a bit of bum twitching going on as the date got closer but it worked for us, so go and see a employment specialist, but if i was you id stay with it till the last day… if you look for something else and leave now you may be loosing out on something??
Wow what a result for you well done, brought a smile to my face.
well I will see where the land lies from tomorrow and take it from there will let you know Wednesday Im out for 2 nights down the road from tomorrow Cheers.
similar thoughts that I have been mulling over the past few days they are being clever to the letter or flexability of the law 
I will see where I stand come Monday hopefully.
what a result for you well done, brought a smile to my face.