I’m pretty sure the Renault magnum was the first truck to be offered with front discs as standard
Bewick:
Retired Old ■■■■:
Bewick:
moomooland:
0I believe that this spec of 8 wheeler was the lightest of it’s class and era,AEC 7:7 engine,Turner 5 speed,Eaton two speed drive axle,gutless yes,but you could get a 17ton payload at 24 tons GVW ! Great shot all the same.Cheers Bewick.
It would have been nice with an 11.3 AEC and 6-speed box and would still have been good for over 16 tons.
I believe it was the cheapest,lightest spec they could build ROF,if you wanted a heavier spec you bought the Invincible with the 150 Gardner/David Brown 5:500 and Guy double drive axles.Cheers Bewick.
Well, if you’re going to get silly, you’d have bought an ERF anyway!
Disc brakes are accepted as the norm nowadays and have been common on LGVs for what, …12 years or so? Trials were being carried out in the mid-1950s by Girling with AEC on Mercurys and Reliance coaches along with air suspension on both of these models. I also believe that ERF trialled disc brakes on an eight wheeler in the early 1960s, so it’s interesting to learn that Guy was also testing them. Did any other makers trial them back then?
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Evening Gentlemen, graham, Foden went a long way down the line with the Girling disc brakes. There was an S20 8 wheeler, that was trialed with Girling Disc`s. Eventually she sat at the back of Sammy Satterthwaites Streetly Garage for some years…un buyable! I do not remember if she was ex Girling themselves. Jimmy Jones, (Stadium Commercials), and myself tried on many occasions to buy her, but neither of us was succesfull!!! But someone was, as I believe that she is now restored and shown.
The family used to buy most of our Foden bits, and particularly Gardner bits from Sam. The service and experience was in many cases stronger than the Factory. And once he knew that you could, and would pay, then anything was possible! Dealing with him was a delight, and as a young man he showed me how to get the best out of my 4LK S20, she became so smooth to drive, and would pull without complaint all through the UK and Europe. And his knowledge of Foden was immense, right back to the export Steamers. When I think about Foden, I am amazed that the factory could have had such incredible dealer support, like Sam, and the Knowles family at Alfreton, yet failed to recognise both their strength in engineering, but fail to support them with effective on the ground marketing.
Guy and Girling is an interesting bit of history.The Invincible Mk 2 had been a design collaboration between Ron Thomas, (the spectacular cab), and Trevor Duckey, the Guy chassis engineering. The latter was to join Girling, and develop the synergy between the two operations. The 1961 Guy PSV chassis, Victory, and its rather less succesfull stablemate the Wulfrunian were equipped with Girling Disc Brakes. Guy Motors had developed their own Air Suspension, primarily for the PSV market, back in the late 50s , supported by the US company Firestone, but had engineered the design as suitable for goods models. The fitment of a more advanced braking system was a natural progression. Girling developed their Disc Brake system primarily for Guy Motors, when even high performance motor cars did not have a total disc system.
The Girling system was operated as an air/hydraulic actuation. In service on the Wulfrunian double deck chassis, it gave many problems, mainly concerning fade with poor heat dissepation, and lack of consistent performance. Yet on the Victory PSV chassis, mainly sold to export markets, particularly Belgium and Holland, and fitted with 40ft bodies which gave better cooling, less problems were experienced.
I understand that two 18ft Warrior PSV chassis were bodied as Pantecnicons and fitted with the disc brakes.
I understand that a photograph that I have showing the first "Jaguar/Guy 8 wheeler, in the Fallings Park experimental shop…(shed), fitted with a re engineered tilting version of the Sankey LAD cab, was also fitted with Girling Discs. This vehicle, and the modified "long door" Invincible/Thomas cab, were both rejected by Sir William Lyons, in favour of the more advanced Rubery Owen Motor Panels cab, and conventional drum brakes.........and the Krupp/■■■■■■■ Vs.
Fascinating company Guy, full of ideas…
Cheerio for now.
Saviem,I liked your piece about Sam,he told me about his days working for Foden demonstrating their steam engines abroad.He got called back when war broke out.I tried to buy one of his houses at the back of his yard but he said no.Your wife might complain about lorry noise!!
gingerfold:
Saviem:
Evening Gentlemen, …and what about the disc braked experiment with Girling…anyone know more?Cheerio for now.
Disc brakes are accepted as the norm nowadays and have been common on LGVs for what, …12 years or so? Trials were being carried out in the mid-1950s by Girling with AEC on Mercurys and Reliance coaches along with air suspension on both of these models. I also believe that ERF trialled disc brakes on an eight wheeler in the early 1960s, so it’s interesting to learn that Guy was also testing them. Did any other makers trial them back then?
The two that S&R had with the straight 8 RR petrol engine had disc brakes. The vehicles were painted in a horrible yellow colour on were on contract to Procter&Gamble Trafford Park.
A dead Guy!
T-cut? 
Hi, hSaviem Reading between the lines are you or were you a sales rep for HGVs ? CHeers Barry
No, Barry, he was THE sales rep 
Hi Saviem, When i was a lad in the 50 s I used go with my Dad to GBE in Bootle and Chester Enginering who he delt with for many years , Bying new and used lorrys mainly Bedfords there were a few sales reps i remember Sunny Baker ,one CAlled REG TURNER AND THE LATE FRANKY WATKINS ,JUST to name a few do you remember any of them , Cheers Barry
Hi Barry, yes, Frank Watkins, (RIP), and I were great pals, we had many deals together, …and if I am honest more laughs than deals!! We knew each other from young men, (and all the mistakes we made), to “maturity”. I am so sad that he is gone…His funeral at St Asaph was something that I hope young Neil treasures, in one Church, the whole of the used lorry trade assembled, Chris`s, and some others Helicopters outside, and so much laughter…now that is what a funeral is about…a celebration of life, memories, and love…b…r the tears!!!
Me, to answer your question…lorry driver for the family up to 69, then selling Atkinsons, Volvos (and anything else), up to 74, then for a French manufacturer France, Belgium, Italy, and the USA, till late 80s. Back to the UK, built up a rental business, sold out in the 90s, import/export, then farming from late 90s…where I should have been from the start…but I would not have met such fantastic people!!!
How are your knees…mine are b…d, even the new one…stay away from old “saw bones”, barstewards…they are only charging so much to put a deposit down on a new swanky car!!! Im trying ice packs…and glasses of Bollinger…the latter helps a lot!!
Good luck, cheerio for now.
These lightweight Guy Tractor Units, I recall a Newcastle Haulier who used to run London Area all the time Bought one with a AEC Engine in This was in the 60s, They ran loaded both ways , But this motor was a disaster on fuel economy, The fellow that owned was called Albert Blake he ran about 5 motors on journey work., He got shot of it pretty quick , He eventually sold out to Cazeley Bros Transport Ltd, Regards Larry.
regarding disc brakes,when I was working for chaseside engineering in Blackburn,kirkstall axles with girling disc brakes were fitted to many loading shovels,they were either air/hydraulic or vac/hydraulic assisted.then as now any new system of any type is usually tried out on construction machinery like caterpillar diesel electric and jcb s own made engines and even hybrid machines now being toyed with. 
Hi , SAVIEM , Thanks for the info when Frank worked for Links at LLandudno my Dad would take him to the ale house they would wheel and deal all night even when he went on his own ,I have had one new hip and pain as gone from the right leg touch wood , now waiting to have the left one done now and hope the pain goes off the left knee , Cheers Barry
About 1962-63 Suttons put in to service some Dyson air suspended tandem flat Trailers which were fitted with the Dunlop Maxaret disc brake, but they were not considered a success. They were far to sharp and uncontrollable and dangerous in the wet…Tony.
Sorry if this is posted elsewhere but I couldn’t resist.
No 240 Gardner, just a 205 ■■■■■■■■ but she was mine, all mine!
Except that the log book claimed the owner was BRS.
Red and NO rust, Harry 
Retired Old ■■■■:
Sorry if this is posted elsewhere but I couldn’t resist.
No 240 Gardner, just a 205 ■■■■■■■■ but she was mine, all mine!Except that the log book claimed the owner was BRS.
Red and NO rust, Harry
hiya,
No rust yet Eh’ ROF, it’ll be there by Friday guaranteed if you don’t knock
a lump out of it in the first week someone else “Mr Nobody” will.
thanks harry, long retired.
I’ll have you know there was not a single scratch on her when I left, you cheeky young whippersnapper 
