Well, now you put it like that, it seems so obvious and clear!
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Occams Razor. A bit like Alf’s dad’s old razor but with meaning rather than sentimentality.
The manufacturer change of specification clause is nothing new and no mystery and not unusual.
In the case of supercar or possibly even a fleet of 8LXB BigJ type money its caveat emptor.
It would need a counter condition that the deposit given is subject to the specification as described.
Unlike the XJ220 example it’s quite possible that any such change would have been predicted and was settled amicably and the order made on the provision that it probably wouldn’t fit and then changed to Cummins by default.
The affected redundant engines then either being returned to Gardner or not even shipped to Guy at all.Then diverted to a firm like Atkinson who had the customers and the right chassis production availability to use them ?.
Bewick has gone too quiet on it all he probably knows more than he’s letting on.A classic wind up probably based on inside knowledge.lol.
That 240 badge looks suspiciously not 1973 vintage.
I’m going to stick my kneck out and say that, unlike Atkinson, GUY probably didn’t have the required flexibility/redundancy, in its ( ‘UK’ spec ) tractor unit chassis design and production, to make 8LXB powered examples viable at the right time.
I also think Bewick probably knew it when he started the topic/war.
So 8 LXB powered Atkis, not BigJ’s, it had to be.
Want a BigJ get Cummins like it or not, even if you order an 8 LXB.But they will sell you a 240 badge as a consolation.
So assume that the diff input flange will be around the position of the rear of the fifth wheel and the inner side of the rad around where the door hinge is.
Can you fit an 8lxb with fan and 9 speed Fuller and propshaft into that space ?.
It’s a tall order depending on rear axle position and radiator position.
What that shows is 10’8’’ wheelbase in line with the CM article.
So certainly not 9’6’'.
The 6x4 installation would obviously need to be even more.
‘‘Instead of the V12 it received a V6’’.
‘‘Customers weren’t happy’’.
‘‘Some went so far as to demand a refund’’ ( of their deposit ).
‘‘Jaguar refused’’.
‘‘Parties argued their case in court’’.
‘‘Jaguar won’’.
This is well known as is the usual sales condition regarding change of specifications by a manufacturer before delivery.
The original V12 engine used in the XJ220 was version of the Lister Storm race engine as developed by TWR, a few early vehicles left the factory with V12’s fitted and I actually worked on one in the Far East whilst working at Aston Martin Lagonda. The customer was quite possibly at one point in time the richest man on the planet and had quite an extensive car collection.
None of the points highlighted above were in your original response. Even the “Parties argued their case in court” was recorded as “reputed” it wasn’t said as a statement of fact.
All I ever ask for is that assertions are qualified with factual evidence, not your (or anyone else’s) interpretation of them. If it is just your interpretation of them then say so at the outset.
It’s not a lot to ask for really, is it.
Stop poking village:grin:
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What article? What are you on about?
Guy were owned by British Leyland by then and had a lot more resources at its disposal than Atkinson would ever have.
I’ve got to be with Village on this one Les a company orders a large amount of Guys with 240 Gardners and GUY say no we have a chassis we use for export but we’re not using it for the UK market ffs
Is that what happened in real life? Do we know this? Or is it a Village fantasy?
I would think the last part of your post is the most accurate Les
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No shortage of them.