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Photo 39 (4th from the end ) Reg YRE600S 240 Gardner.Moss & Lovatt Ltd have 3 Guy Artics on this site but YRE600S has
the 240 badge
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Photo 39 (4th from the end ) Reg YRE600S 240 Gardner.Moss & Lovatt Ltd have 3 Guy Artics on this site but YRE600S has
the 240 badge
Questions have been asked about that wagon previously - it had a 6LXB 180 in it - the badge was a later addition.
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Photo 39 (4th from the end ) Reg YRE600S 240 Gardner.Moss & Lovatt Ltd have 3 Guy Artics on this site but YRE600S has
the 240 badge
Thats all thats 240 about it, the badge, Moss & Lovatts fitter posted that it had a 180 and a driver fitted the 240 badge. 
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Hiya dave…trev H will tell you this advert stinks…anything that close to DeMaulders stinks…note the ad
above the 240 Guy…I ,am still waiting for the photo with the potts in the cold.
Sorry coul,nt resist the pun as soon as i saw DeMaulder i nealy choked with the smell.
John
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there you go carryfast , i remember the article in one of the mags and they were no good by all accounts . i have a picture somewhere of one of those motors parked up looking sorry for itself in a yard somewhere …The four stroke 60 series was at the start of it’s development around that time so it’s not surprising that it probably would’nt have been as competitive with the established and more developed 4 stroke engines from all the other manufacturers at that time.But it seems to have been developed since then.But I’d be surprised if there were any two stroke Detroit powered Fodens.
Hiya “Carryfast” 'Ere what you doing contaminating this “superior” thread with garbage about DDs? **** off and infect some other richly “deserving” thread(theres a few on the P/drivers site) that could benefit from your DDs garbage!! Bewick.
We had the Volvo boffins in last year when we were deciding on new vehicles and they could match up the right engine gearbox and diff for our operation from a laptop which showed the many different combinations that were on offer.At a click of a button they could tell you what mpg you could return say with a 450 bhp engine and a certain gearbox and diff compared with say a 410bhp.It was clever stuff and in the end they decided that our operation running at around 23 tons gross weight would be best suited to a 410 bhp FM11.So we ordered 25,when they arrived they sent 450 bhp FM11s because there were no 410s avaiable
Looks alrayt to me Dennis,were they that bad?
There’s more chance that someone would have been daft enough to put that zb great boat anchor Gardner 240 motor in a Big J than the fact that he’ll ever believe that 600 horse motor would probably be more economical,running at half power,than that Gardner would be running flat out.
But only 600 horses would’nt have beat a 12V71 two stroke let alone a 12V92.
You don’t need 600 horses for 44 ton gross in this country,500 is plenty.600 and over is for the heavy haulage motors.
Just because the motor is rated at 600 horses max does’nt mean that the driver needs to use all that power.Assuming that it remains at the same capacity as the lower power versions and in this case is around similar capacity as that 240 Gardner that figure probably actually relates to a higher specific torque output (torque per litre) which,if you factor in the right numbers,relates to a better B.M.E.P figure and in this case probably means that 600 horse motor has a B.M.E.P figure of around double,or more,as that of the Gardner.Which in the real world is why that 600 horse engine would probably be more economical/efficient if it’s just driven using a lot less than it’s full rated horsepower but using a lot more than the Gardner could provide.
That’s the reason why Gardner could’nt compete in a world of much higher powered engines when the guvnors here finally realised that having more power can provide more productivety and can actually mean better fuel consumption not worse running at relatively higher weights.The relevant comparison in this case would be between a Gardner 240 and that motor both running at 38 or 44 tonnes and both running at the same average speeds.
Most of what you are saying Carryfast is theory.You are referring to engines which are fitted to lorries doing different jobs in varying conditions and driven by different drivers.You can’t make an accurate comparison,because lorries with the same specification never perform exactly the same.
As for comparing a 240 Gardner and a modern 600 Detroit Diesel is ridiculous,it’s a different day and age.It’s not theory Dave it’s fact.Most,if not all,of the modern advances in truck diesel technology are based on that fact.What I’m referring to is using high power engines versus low power engines hauling comparable weights,over comparable routes,at comparable speeds,driven in a comparable way.The reason why any high power truck engine,not just that motor, being compared to a 240 Gardner is ridiculous,is because getting more torque,from a similar sized engine,usually always proves that it’s the motor with more power which is more efficient and that’s why there’s not many people running max weight trucks with less than 300 horses these days and that lesson was learnt in the Gardner’s day and age which is why they started making more powerful motors but were around ten years out of date considering that the DAF 2800 was using an engine with around 300 horses + in the 1970’s.
In that context there’s no reason why that 600 motor would’nt be more economical,if it was fitted in a tractor unit,hauling 38-44 tonnes gross,at the same average speeds,on the same type of work,as a modern 400-500 horse motor or that 240 Gardner would be.
I am not an engineer,which you obviously are, or have a good knowledge of engineering technology.The fact remains that you are comparing an engine ie the 240 Gardner which was used in 32 ton gross weight artics on mainly A roads and fairly empty motorways with no speed limiters,too high powered modern engines fitted to 44 ton gross artics fitted with limiters,driving at variable speeds on congested roads where the high power often is of no advantage.
I can see where you are coming from regarding the higher power being more economical,but often that power is of no use because of the overloaded roads in the UK.
Cheers Dave…
We had the Volvo boffins in last year when we were deciding on new vehicles and they could match up the right engine gearbox and diff for our operation from a laptop which showed the many different combinations that were on offer.At a click of a button they could tell you what mpg you could return say with a 450 bhp engine and a certain gearbox and diff compared with say a 410bhp.It was clever stuff and in the end they decided that our operation running at around 23 tons gross weight would be best suited to a 410 bhp FM11.So we ordered 25,when they arrived they sent 450 bhp FM11s because there were no 410s avaiable
Looks alrayt to me Dennis,were they that bad?
3300John:
Dave the Renegade"]
Hiya dave…trev H will tell you this advert stinks…anything that close to DeMaulders stinks…note the ad
above the 240 Guy…I ,am still waiting for the photo with the potts in the cold.
Sorry coul,nt resist the pun as soon as i saw DeMaulder i nealy choked with the smell.
John
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You are way off the mark there John. The advert is Chaddesley Commercials from Kidderminster,which is under DeMaulder’s,a trip to specsavers is on the cards for you .
Cheers Dave.
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3300John:
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Hiya dave…trev H will tell you this advert stinks…anything that close to DeMaulders stinks…note the ad
above the 240 Guy…I ,am still waiting for the photo with the potts in the cold.
Sorry coul,nt resist the pun as soon as i saw DeMaulder i nealy choked with the smell.
John
You are way off the mark there John. The advert is Chaddesley Commercials from Kidderminster,which is under DeMaulder’s,a trip to specsavers is on the cards for you .
Dave …it was a joke just the ad been so close to that i ment. any DeMulders truck loaded or empty carried that smell of
rotten meat you could,nt get rid of the stentch. i used to deliver to a timber yard just up the road from DeMulders rendering
plant and you tried to hold your breath for 50 mins or so while you got tipped the smell was so bad.
John
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Dave the Renegade"]
Hiya dave…trev H will tell you this advert stinks…anything that close to DeMaulders stinks…note the ad
above the 240 Guy…I ,am still waiting for the photo with the potts in the cold.
Sorry coul,nt resist the pun as soon as i saw DeMaulder i nealy choked with the smell.
JohnYou are way off the mark there John. The advert is Chaddesley Commercials from Kidderminster,which is under DeMaulder’s,a trip to specsavers is on the cards for you
Dave …it was a joke just the ad been so close to that i ment. any DeMulders truck loaded or empty carried that smell of
rotten meat you could,nt get rid of the stentch. i used to deliver to a timber yard just up the road from DeMulders rendering
plant and you tried to hold your breath for 50 mins or so while you got tipped the smell was so bad.
John
Beg your pardon John.I didn’t know what DeMulder’s did,never heard of them .
Cheers Dave.
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Dave …it was a joke just the ad been so close to that i ment. any DeMulders truck loaded or empty carried that smell of
rotten meat you could,nt get rid of the stentch. i used to deliver to a timber yard just up the road from DeMulders rendering
plant and you tried to hold your breath for 50 mins or so while you got tipped the smell was so bad.
John
Beg your pardon John.I didn’t know what DeMulder’s did,never heard of them .
Cheers Dave.
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Regular saturday morning job from Wath on Dearne,6600 galls of light spirit into Prosper De Mulder at Bentley,Doncaster.You got used to the smell. Granox at Widnes was far worse and also FMC at Stoke Bardolph Notts took some beating for strong whiffs.
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Dave …it was a joke just the ad been so close to that i ment. any DeMulders truck loaded or empty carried that smell of
rotten meat you could,nt get rid of the stentch. i used to deliver to a timber yard just up the road from DeMulders rendering
plant and you tried to hold your breath for 50 mins or so while you got tipped the smell was so bad.
JohnBeg your pardon John.I didn’t know what DeMulder’s did,never heard of them
Cheers Dave.
Regular saturday morning job from Wath on Dearne,6600 galls of light spirit into Prosper De Mulder at Bentley,Doncaster.You got used to the smell. Granox at Widnes was far worse and also FMC at Stoke Bardolph Notts took some beating for strong whiffs.
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hiya,
Did one load into Prosper De Mulder’s when on for Killingbeck’s back in the early 60s it was from Ireland on a lancashire flat full trailer load of handball, it was animal bits in bags it was the most horrible smell i’ve ever come across the bags had to be thrown onto the floor and then they was pushed into a pile by a JCB type thing when i got back to the yard i had a good wash put what i normally wore on my nights out on and put the the overalls on the fire and told old Robbie Killingbeck to strike my name off the list for that particular job and if he was’nt prepared to do so he could “stamp them up” he gave me a new boilersuit and i did’nt get lumbered again it took ages for the smell in the cab to subside.
thanks harry long retired.
Hi boys
Harry was Granox taken over by Croda We used to take animal bits on Lancashire flats from Garston dock they were in 45 gallon drums with the lids cut of.As they lifted the flats off the boat there would be a trail of maggots. To unload they used to push them off with a loading shovel.As you said you could not get rid of the smell. There was a lad who used to do it regular and he keeped a trailer especially for the job.
Regards Keith
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Dave …it was a joke just the ad been so close to that i ment. any DeMulders truck loaded or empty carried that smell of
rotten meat you could,nt get rid of the stentch. i used to deliver to a timber yard just up the road from DeMulders rendering
plant and you tried to hold your breath for 50 mins or so while you got tipped the smell was so bad.
JohnBeg your pardon John.I didn’t know what DeMulder’s did,never heard of them
Cheers Dave.
Regular saturday morning job from Wath on Dearne,6600 galls of light spirit into Prosper De Mulder at Bentley,Doncaster.You got used to the smell. Granox at Widnes was far worse and also FMC at Stoke Bardolph Notts took some beating for strong whiffs.
hiya,
Did one load into Prosper De Mulder’s when on for Killingbeck’s back in the early 60s it was from Ireland on a lancashire flat full trailer load of handball, it was animal bits in bags it was the most horrible smell i’ve ever come across the bags had to be thrown onto the floor and then they was pushed into a pile by a JCB type thing when i got back to the yard i had a good wash put what i normally wore on my nights out on and put the the overalls on the fire and told old Robbie Killingbeck to strike my name off the list for that particular job and if he was’nt prepared to do so he could “stamp them up” he gave me a new boilersuit and i did’nt get lumbered again it took ages for the smell in the cab to subside.
thanks harry long retired.
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There were two level crossings close together to negotiate to Prospers at Bentley,manned,if that’s the right word,by a fearsome woman.One was the ECML and the other the line to Wakefield so it was always busy.There was a notice for tipper drivers carrying offal etc not to get trapped between the two crossings as the liquid in the tipper would run out.
Two good points though,the canteen was spot on and you could buy cheap dog and moggie food. 
I got a lift from Doncaster town centre to the A1(M) slip road in one of Prospers bonneted Merc artic trunkers and it did whiff a bit,but not as bad as HFM - Hull Fish Meal motors.
Hiya… was that Granox near the concrete plant in widnes???i used to go to the batching plant and their was a smell of
rank sour bacon smell… ronk.my mate Dave lives nr Pointons at Cheddleton that pongs abit on a hot day if the wind
is blowing the wrong way. pointons take almost all the waste animal products nowadays. oop,s were wanding off site.
John
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Hiya… was that Granox near the concrete plant in widnes???i used to go to the batching plant and their was a smell of
rank sour bacon smell… ronk.my mate Dave lives nr Pointons at Cheddleton that pongs abit on a hot day if the wind
is blowing the wrong way. pointons take almost all the waste animal products nowadays. oop,s were wanding off site.
John
Granox was in Widnes John,past Albright and Wilsons.
Aye,best get back to 8-pot Patricrofts in Big Js
3300John:
Hiya… was that Granox near the concrete plant in widnes???i used to go to the batching plant and their was a smell of
rank sour bacon smell… ronk.my mate Dave lives nr Pointons at Cheddleton that pongs abit on a hot day if the wind
is blowing the wrong way. pointons take almost all the waste animal products nowadays. oop,s were wanding off site.
John
You should change your underwear more than once a month John!!!
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And here’s me thinking that “all’s quiet on the Western Front to-night” and then a stray mortar shell is lobbed over from no mans land!!!(Radnorshire)!!! Dennis.Got you out of your foxhole Dennis
Cheers Dave.I think the thread will just “fizzle out” Dave!!! The Jovs Witnesses are more convincing during the few minutes I spare them when they say they would refuse me a Blood transfusion if I was dying!!! Cheers Dennis.
The thread fizzle out Dennis. I had to try and fend your old mate Carryfast off,on my own this afternoon. Me ex humble lorry driver,you big haulier,where were you to out maneuver the engineer.
Cheers Dave.
3300John:
Hiya… was that Granox near the concrete plant in widnes???i used to go to the batching plant and their was a smell of
rank sour bacon smell… ronk.my mate Dave lives nr Pointons at Cheddleton that pongs abit on a hot day if the wind
is blowing the wrong way. pointons take almost all the waste animal products nowadays. oop,s were wanding off site.
John
Granox is behind the new Tesco distribution centre just over the Runcorn bridge
It will be rife there with the wind in the right direction 
Dennis is this what you are looking for? One of Smiths Guys with a 240 Gardner in it. (or at least a badge)
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And here’s me thinking that “all’s quiet on the Western Front to-night” and then a stray mortar shell is lobbed over from no mans land!!!(Radnorshire)!!! Dennis.Got you out of your foxhole Dennis
Cheers Dave.I think the thread will just “fizzle out” Dave!!! The Jovs Witnesses are more convincing during the few minutes I spare them when they say they would refuse me a Blood transfusion if I was dying!!! Cheers Dennis.
The thread fizzle out Dennis. I had to try and fend your old mate Carryfast off,on my own this afternoon. Me ex humble lorry driver,you big haulier,where were you to out maneuver the engineer.
Cheers Dave.
He was probably in hiding feeling guilty about all of those big hauliers who told Gardners to keep building zb boat anchors when they should have been building decent 400-600 horse motors.