Bewick:
Now in an effort to keep the thread on track so just to refresh all interested Parties as to the exact shot we have been looking for----this is the side view of a Big J which unfortunately just has the 180LXB engine, but you get the idea—if it had been fitted with the 8LXB the two back pots would be protruding !
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Hold up Bewick.Even if they find the required photo to go with the badge that doesn’t mean the thing was built new on the production line with an 8LXB motor in it.Just like there are/were plenty of 289 and 302 V8 powered Mk2 Zodiacs but none of them were ever made by Ford.
Spot on “CF” they will get nowt past you eh ! Anyway I trust you are keeping clear of Covid 19 and behaving yourself in self isolation !! Have you been contacted yet by the “The Powers that be” for advice on where they are going wrong !! They could do worse because Boris’s Wallie MP’s couldn’t run a ■■■■ up in a brewery by what we see every day on their “briefings” What J Arthurs Rabb, Hancock and Jenrick really are !! Those Medical specialists that accompany them each day must cringe with ■■■■■■■ embarrassment I kid you not ! Cheers Bewick.
Anyway just to further help in the “quest” here is another couple of shots of 8LXB units from the side view ! simples ! The first one is a rear cab shot of an 8 LXB Borderer we ran on the McGuffie fleet and the second one is a pair of B Series standing in the depot late afternoon awaiting their night men for the trip South.
Bewick:
Anyway I trust you are keeping clear of Covid 19 and behaving yourself in self isolation !! Have you been contacted yet by the “The Powers that be” for advice on where they are going wrong !! They could do worse because Boris’s Wallie MP’s couldn’t run a ■■■■ up in a brewery by what we see every day on their “briefings” What J Arthurs Rabb, Hancock and Jenrick really are !! Those Medical specialists that accompany them each day must cringe with [zb] embarrassment I kid you not ! Cheers Bewick.
The Australian Sky News and Taiwan news youtube sites are where the action is.We’re in a keyboard fight there with ChiCom 50c army trolls and it’s getting interesting.We’ve reached the stalemate where they are saying that they didn’t do it and they were attacked first by the US even if they did and the general consensus on our side is that nothing short of all out nuclear war is going to settle this.Although I’ve had to remind the Taiwanese element that they deffo won’t be there after that and probably neither will we but it would have been well worth it to finish the job that you lot left in the air over Korea.
But I’m guessing that even after Hong Kong has been totally obliterated there will still be a few 8LXB’s littering the empty dry harbour floor.
Oh and the Chinese Navy is heading for a fight with India in the Indian Ocean and taking the ■■■■ out of Taiwan and the US Pacific fleet is ■■■■■■■ in local ports with its crew sick or quarantined with Chinese bioweapon disease.That only leaves some nuke missile subs between us and being overrun by the yellow peril.And you thought Pearl Harbour looked bad.
I worked for John Killingbeck many moons ago pre the 240 Percy era
Bui John could make those smaller Gardners fly in fact a 180 I drove
of his would catch and outpull anything on the scene at that time,
He certainly knew how to make a Percy go, Oh’ and he was a good
lad with the wages anall there was no 8LXBs about at the time to try
against but another Blackburn haulier who ran Scania Vabis at the
time fell victim to me when climbing banks and when running on a
level bit of road I passed them as if they were parked up.
Bewick:
Anyway just to further help in the “quest” here is another couple of shots of 8LXB units from the side view ! simples ! The first one is a rear cab shot of an 8 LXB Borderer we ran on the McGuffie fleet and the second one is a pair of B Series standing in the depot late afternoon awaiting their night men for the trip South.
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To be fair a sleeper cab would probably hide that motor completely if it’s mounted the same relative to the steer axle in the Big J ?.
harry_gill:
I worked for John Killingbeck many moons ago pre the 240 Percy era
Bui John could make those smaller Gardners fly in fact a 180 I drove
of his would catch and outpull anything on the scene at that time,
He certainly knew how to make a Percy go, Oh’ and he was a good
lad with the wages anall there was no 8LXBs about at the time to try
against but another Blackburn haulier who ran Scania Vabis at the
time fell victim to me when climbing banks and when running on a
level bit of road I passed them as if they were parked up.
Hi Harry,Im a Gardner man as you know, They were one of the easiest engines to tweak, The Mickey Mouse Foden that I had did 48 MPH, Tops, I could carry 16 Tonne legally at 24 Tonne Gross, But it pulled even better with 20 tonne on Naughty I know but there again Ive been a naughty boy several times , Its 150 Engine was spot on never let me down, It made me a few bob I might add, I wish I had kept it & restored it to its former glory days, Stay safe my friend, Regards Larry.
Bewick:
Do I detect a “sense of humour blockage” ? However in order to clarify----- We ran 6 Big J’s at Bewick Transport so in the absence of rear cab shots and the substitution of the “180” badges on the grilles for “240” badges it would be fair to claim that they were all fitted with 8LXB engines ? well a “badge” doesn’t lie --does it ! Is this thread never going to die and fizzle ? All I ever asked for was a side view shot of a Big J with an 8LXB engine and after many many years none has been forthcoming ! Cheers Bewick.
Have any rear cab shots of an A series ERF been seen, Just asking
Yes I have one Dave so bear with me and I’ll dig it out ! Cheers Dennis.
Hiya Dave I am having a right ■■■■■■■ problem getting into the file that has the side view of an “A” Sreies but I will find it---- promise ! However here is a front on shot of the two “A” Series Gardner units we ran. The one on the left was the 8 LXB which I supplied new to a Milnthorpe O/D in 1975 then I bought it back of him in 1979 when it was replaced by a new B Series . It had only ever done one round trip per week between London and Glasgow for Cape Asbestos and had only done about 150,000 miles so it was like new ! The unit on the right was a 180LXB which I bought new in late 1975 and registered it for Jan 1976 and it gave trouble free service throughout it’s operational life ! Both units had the Kirkstall D85 axle and the 240 LXB had the heavier Fuller 95909 box whereas the 180LXB had the lighter 609 box .
harry_gill:
I worked for John Killingbeck many moons ago pre the 240 Percy era
Bui John could make those smaller Gardners fly in fact a 180 I drove
of his would catch and outpull anything on the scene at that time,
He certainly knew how to make a Percy go, Oh’ and he was a good
lad with the wages anall there was no 8LXBs about at the time to try
against but another Blackburn haulier who ran Scania Vabis at the
time fell victim to me when climbing banks and when running on a
level bit of road I passed them as if they were parked up.
Hi Harry,Im a Gardner man as you know, They were one of the easiest engines to tweak, The Mickey Mouse Foden that I had did 48 MPH, Tops, I could carry 16 Tonne legally at 24 Tonne Gross, But it pulled even better with 20 tonne on Naughty I know but there again Ive been a naughty boy several times , Its 150 Engine was spot on never let me down, It made me a few bob I might add, I wish I had kept it & restored it to its former glory days, Stay safe my friend, Regards Larry.
Hiya,
Yes Larry in all my years on the road I never got to grips with a Foden
but I was grateful to Salkeld’s drivers who would stop for me when I
was waiting for my bus to Cookies they seemed to go quite well think
they had a few “strokers” on the fleet and the drivers seemed to work
double hard on the gearbox when climbing the steep bit Castleside to
Consett, Sorry for veering away from the Big J thingy I’ll bugger off,
you and your good lady stay safe Larry my friend.
harry_gill:
I worked for John Killingbeck many moons ago pre the 240 Percy era
Bui John could make those smaller Gardners fly in fact a 180 I drove
of his would catch and outpull anything on the scene at that time,
He certainly knew how to make a Percy go, Oh’ and he was a good
lad with the wages anall there was no 8LXBs about at the time to try
against but another Blackburn haulier who ran Scania Vabis at the
time fell victim to me when climbing banks and when running on a
level bit of road I passed them as if they were parked up.
Hi Harry,Im a Gardner man as you know, They were one of the easiest engines to tweak, The Mickey Mouse Foden that I had did 48 MPH, Tops, I could carry 16 Tonne legally at 24 Tonne Gross, But it pulled even better with 20 tonne on Naughty I know but there again Ive been a naughty boy several times , Its 150 Engine was spot on never let me down, It made me a few bob I might add, I wish I had kept it & restored it to its former glory days, Stay safe my friend, Regards Larry.
Hiya,
Yes Larry in all my years on the road I never got to grips with a Foden
but I was grateful to Salkeld’s drivers who would stop for me when I
was waiting for my bus to Cookies they seemed to go quite well think
they had a few “strokers” on the fleet and the drivers seemed to work
double hard on the gearbox when climbing the steep bit Castleside to
Consett, Sorry for veering away from the Big J thingy I’ll bugger off,
you and your good lady stay safe Larry my friend.
Bewick:
Do I detect a “sense of humour blockage” ? However in order to clarify----- We ran 6 Big J’s at Bewick Transport so in the absence of rear cab shots and the substitution of the “180” badges on the grilles for “240” badges it would be fair to claim that they were all fitted with 8LXB engines ? well a “badge” doesn’t lie --does it ! Is this thread never going to die and fizzle ? All I ever asked for was a side view shot of a Big J with an 8LXB engine and after many many years none has been forthcoming ! Cheers Bewick.
Have any rear cab shots of an A series ERF been seen, Just asking
Yes I have one Dave so bear with me and I’ll dig it out ! Cheers Dennis.
Hiya Dave I am having a right [zb] problem getting into the file that has the side view of an “A” Sreies but I will find it---- promise ! However here is a front on shot of the two “A” Series Gardner units we ran. The one on the left was the 8 LXB which I supplied new to a Milnthorpe O/D in 1975 then I bought it back of him in 1979 when it was replaced by a new B Series . It had only ever done one round trip per week between London and Glasgow for Cape Asbestos and had only done about 150,000 miles so it was like new ! The unit on the right was a 180LXB which I bought new in late 1975 and registered it for Jan 1976 and it gave trouble free service throughout it’s operational life ! Both units had the Kirkstall D85 axle and the 240 LXB had the heavier Fuller 95909 box whereas the 180LXB had the lighter 609 box .
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I continue to be amazed at your memory for detail and your ability to come up with the exact goodies at the appropriate moment, Bewick! Those Kirkstall D85s were hub-reduction axles and could be a bit trying for little things going wrong on long-haul overland service. Presumably, your regular servicing, combined with domestic as opposed to overseas, use obviated such niggling problems. Regarding the comparison of 9-sp Fullers in the pair, I imagine that the later, stronger RT9095 'box was slicker to use. Do correct me if I’m wrong! Cheers, Ro.
Many thanks for your kind endorsement ERF/NGC/Euro much appreciated ! I do try at times where possible to relate past experiences I encountered during my 30 odd years of my involvement in the industry from Trailer Mate through to M.D. although sometimes my “two penarths” are not always appreciated even if they are 100% accurate and I can stand by them in confidence ! However, the KF D85 was a trouble free component and they never gave us a moments trouble, and we ran many of them ! On the other hand the Seddon Group axle was a disaster especially on the higher powered Chassis i.e.■■■■■■■ 220/250 and the 8 LXB’s they did OK on the 180LXB Chassis though. Oh! and I think I “mangled” the numbers up on the heavier Fuller box which should have read 95909 ! Here again the Eaton/Fuller boxes 609/610 & 95909 give negligible trouble with the only problems we encountered was the range change piston sticking occasionally which we had to remove and clean. But the DB 6:600 on the higher powered units caused no end of problems but they were perfect behind the 180LXB chassis. Regards Bewick.
Bewick:
the Eaton/Fuller boxes 609/610 & 95909 give negligible trouble with the only problems we encountered was the range change piston sticking occasionally which we had to remove and clean. But the DB 6:600 on the higher powered units caused no end of problems but they were perfect behind the 180LXB chassis. Regards Bewick.
It would be fair to say that transmission components ( gearboxes/drive axles ) are generally a Brit weak point.American or German being the default go to choice in that regard.Engines are our stronger point or we’d all be speaking German now.
Bewick:
Do I detect a “sense of humour blockage” ? However in order to clarify----- We ran 6 Big J’s at Bewick Transport so in the absence of rear cab shots and the substitution of the “180” badges on the grilles for “240” badges it would be fair to claim that they were all fitted with 8LXB engines ? well a “badge” doesn’t lie --does it ! Is this thread never going to die and fizzle ? All I ever asked for was a side view shot of a Big J with an 8LXB engine and after many many years none has been forthcoming ! Cheers Bewick.
Have any rear cab shots of an A series ERF been seen, Just asking
Yes I have one Dave so bear with me and I’ll dig it out ! Cheers Dennis.
As promised Dave here is the shot I promised ! The “A” Series 8 LXB it was 4 years old when I bought it and it had done less miles than our 12 /18 month old “B” series units so we set it to work on double shifting for 12 months or so then it was transferred to Daventry and it ran up and down to London each day so it had it easy for a few years ! Cheers Dennis.
Not the clearest picture, but I know you are a man of honesty & integrity so I will accept that is what it is without any doubt whatsoever, my point that I was trying to make that
there is not a great many shots of vehicles normally taken from the rear unless it was captured whilst being part of the back ground or after an accident.
Bewick:
Many thanks for your kind endorsement ERF/NGC/Euro much appreciated ! I do try at times where possible to relate past experiences I encountered during my 30 odd years of my involvement in the industry from Trailer Mate through to M.D. although sometimes my “two penarths” are not always appreciated even if they are 100% accurate and I can stand by them in confidence ! However, the KF D85 was a trouble free component and they never gave us a moments trouble, and we ran many of them ! On the other hand the Seddon Group axle was a disaster especially on the higher powered Chassis i.e.■■■■■■■ 220/250 and the 8 LXB’s they did OK on the 180LXB Chassis though. Oh! and I think I “mangled” the numbers up on the heavier Fuller box which should have read 95909 ! Here again the Eaton/Fuller boxes 609/610 & 95909 give negligible trouble with the only problems we encountered was the range change piston sticking occasionally which we had to remove and clean. But the DB 6:600 on the higher powered units caused no end of problems but they were perfect behind the 180LXB chassis. Regards Bewick.
Point of pedentary, the heavier fuller was a 9509, 950lb/ft maximum torque input, 9 speed.
Bewick:
Many thanks for your kind endorsement ERF/NGC/Euro much appreciated ! I do try at times where possible to relate past experiences I encountered during my 30 odd years of my involvement in the industry from Trailer Mate through to M.D. although sometimes my “two penarths” are not always appreciated even if they are 100% accurate and I can stand by them in confidence ! However, the KF D85 was a trouble free component and they never gave us a moments trouble, and we ran many of them ! On the other hand the Seddon Group axle was a disaster especially on the higher powered Chassis i.e.■■■■■■■ 220/250 and the 8 LXB’s they did OK on the 180LXB Chassis though. Oh! and I think I “mangled” the numbers up on the heavier Fuller box which should have read 95909 ! Here again the Eaton/Fuller boxes 609/610 & 95909 give negligible trouble with the only problems we encountered was the range change piston sticking occasionally which we had to remove and clean. But the DB 6:600 on the higher powered units caused no end of problems but they were perfect behind the 180LXB chassis. Regards Bewick.
Point of pedentary, the heavier fuller was a 9509, 950lb/ft maximum torque input, 9 speed.
As the saying goes “You learn something new every day” thanks for that acdc !! Cheers Bewick.
dave docwra:
Hi Dennis,
Hope you are keeping safe & well.
Not the clearest picture, but I know you are a man of honesty & integrity so I will accept that is what it is without any doubt whatsoever, my point that I was trying to make that
there is not a great many shots of vehicles normally taken from the rear unless it was captured whilst being part of the back ground or after an accident.
Cheers Dave.
The cheque is in the post Dave ! But honest that A Series was 8LXB engined ! No doubt the shot will have been forensically viewed by a number of the “believers” in case I was trying to take liberties but I only deal in hard PROVABLE facts a discipline which is completely devoid on this interminable thread ! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
I only deal in hard PROVABLE facts a discipline which is completely devoid on this interminable thread ! Cheers Dennis.
It’s probably fair to say that the fact there were such beasts has been proved.But they weren’t made by the factory.Although the factory did put the idea out there and some ran with it as after market modifications as engines became available by whatever route for conversion from ■■■■■■■ ?.Such conversions would had to have been made as early as possible in the vehicle’s service life to make it worth doing.
Bewick:
I only deal in hard PROVABLE facts a discipline which is completely devoid on this interminable thread ! Cheers Dennis.
It’s probably fair to say that the fact there were such beasts has been proved.But they weren’t made by the factory.Although the factory did put the idea out there and some ran with it as after market modifications as engines became available by whatever route for conversion from ■■■■■■■ ?.Such conversions would had to have been made as early as possible in the vehicle’s service life to make it worth doing.
Did Valkerie’s sheets show factory-fitted 8LXBs?
Otherwise, good points. As for conversions being made as early as possible, I am reminded of NGCs being re-gearboxed at dealership level/stage, so that effectively they rolled off the production line with, say a 9-sp Fuller and was equipped with a 13-sp one by the dealership to meet customer needs.
So in the case of Guy, would a Big-J supplied brand-new to a customer fitted with an 8LXB by a Guy (Leyland) accredited dealer not count as a bone fide vehicle; as opposed to a unit that’s been re-fitted with a bigger engine after a year in service? It’s a fine distinction, but it could be the answer to this thread’s agonisations - the holy grail, as 'twere! Ro
