C’mon guys, let’s keep the future of the human race lighthearted shall we?
Star of…
David patches in that meme.
^^^^^ Oh God, don’t mention that one again. I sailed close to joining the pre mod club last time! 
the maoster:
C’mon guys, let’s keep the future of the human race lighthearted shall we?
‘‘Lighthearted’’? 
On here?
With all the usual suspect obsessive doom mongers ?
Nea chance mate.
robroy:
the maoster:
C’mon guys, let’s keep the future of the human race lighthearted shall we?‘‘Lighthearted’’?
On here?
With all the usual suspect obsessive doom mongers ?Nea chance mate.
You are sooo right!
Loads on here moaning about how we are going into debt for ever, about false news on a non event, about how the Gov are forcing medication on us, about how lockdown is “doing their heads in”.
Don`t you just wish you would get realistic and shut up?
Sorry…how they would shut up!
Franglais:
robroy:
the maoster:
C’mon guys, let’s keep the future of the human race lighthearted shall we?‘‘Lighthearted’’?
On here?
With all the usual suspect obsessive doom mongers ?Nea chance mate.
You are sooo right!
Loads on here moaning about how we are going into debt for ever, about false news on a non event, about how the Gov are forcing medication on us, about how lockdown is “doing their heads in”.
Don`t you just wish you would get realistic and shut up?Sorry…how they would shut up!
Hmmmm I see what you did there.
Going into debt?..Suppose so, not sure if I’ve ever said it on here or not though, but hey ho.
False news?..I’ve never said that, on the contrary, I’ve always said the pandemic is real.
Non event?..See above.
Forcing medication on us?..Not in the context of arms up the back, or holding us down, but a more subtle approach like allowing you to do absolutely f.all unless you comply.
Lockdown doing my head in?..Yeh and then some, most definitely.
It’s the ones who are totally pre.occupied with all this stuff, and who endorse and willingly accept whatever ■■■■ ridiculous life curtailing scheme they come up with 
Don’t the rest of us just wish you would all just shut the ■■■■ up.about it all, change the record and talk about something else
(Sorry I meant ''Don’t the rest of us all just wish ‘‘THEY’’ would shut the etc etc.)
Franglais:
Immediately before your first quotes Yeadon writes
“No Need For a Vaccine
There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines”
That’s a headline and if he believes that the Pandemic is over then of course a vaccine is not necessary to stop it. but as I said he qualified his statement further down the paragraph.
Franglais:
Yeadon claims to be an empiricist so how do his statements stack against the current ONS figures?
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … cember2020
Yeadon
W"here we do regrettably see outbreaks, these will develop much more slowly than in the spring because the virus is finding it ever harder to find the next person to infect."
Not well.
Later looking at his graphs
“The main point from these graphs is the trend line. The rising number of cases and deaths is proceeding 4x more slowly now than in the spring. This doesn’t prove that we are nearing the end state, but this observation is consistent with that concept”
The ONS data estimates around 500,000 people in England and Wales had Covid at the end of November, less than 1% of the population, which is very similar to what I said the King College/Zoe study found.
What percentage of the Population do you think should have a disease for it to be an Epidemic?
I have a lot of time on my hands and early on in this I thought the media reporting was far too sensationalist, so I look at the ONS data every week and download their raw data and see what’s happening.
If you take out the 9 weeks when there was most definitely an epidemic in the UK and excess deaths were running at over 200% above the 5 year average, this year excess deaths have been 1.5% higher than the 5 year average and 4% lower than the highest in those 5 years.
If you take out the beginning of the year, (before Covid,) as death’s were below the 5 year average in that period, then excess deaths are 4.7% higher than the 5 year average and 1.5% higher than the previous highest in the 5 years,
The recent spike has been 11% higher than the 5 year average with the highest point, week 47, being 20% higher, during the peak in April and May, it reached 213% higher in week 16, and was over 150% higher for about 4 weeks, although this included a massive spike in non-covid death, these are now running below the 5 year average.
Franglais:
The rise is surely less steep than in Feb because of the way we now live? If we were still shaking hands, not wearing masks and moving around more then wouldn`t the rise be similar? He is blatantly comparing very different scenarios.
Well that depends if you believe there is no natural immunity to Covid?
Franglais:
Ten people with lung damage due C19? I think you`re misreading something here?
The BBC reported a study of ten people with known problems to show a new technique.
bbc.com/news/health-55017301
I think you miss-read what I wrote, I never said there were only 10 people with long covid, but the recent highly publicised study had only 10 people, not that most news reports mentioned the amount of people in the study, just basically if you get Covid and don’t die then you’ll still be ill for the rest of your life, sensationalism.
And I know there are other studies, but there are also long term studies from Austria and the US showing that the conditions improve in many patients especially if they get treatment and many others that have symptoms past the normal period of the disease, recover within a few weeks.
Franglais:
The Swiss have not approved any vaccines…YET. They are still looking at the data. Maybe they will approve later, maybe not
and the reasons they give for not approving the Vaccines?
The regulator said important data on safety, efficacy and quality are still missing.
“We lack data on the effectiveness of the clinical trials and on the important subgroups that participated in these large studies,”
For example, Swissmedic wants to know about the pre-existing illnesses of the people who took part in these studies.
Maybe Swissmedic are just anti-vaxers?
However I’m not an anti-vaxer, I worry about the speed of approval for a vaccine that will be offered to healthy people at low risk, I can understand offering it to those at high risk, like other experimental treatments when the risks are worth it.
If I had an incurable disease and somebody offered me a treatment with emergency approval I’d take it, same if somebody offered me a vaccine for a disease with an horrendously high Case Fatality rate, but if somebody offer me the same for a disease I will more than likely fully recover from, if I get at all, or if I might have all ready had, (which could be likely) then I’d politely refuse.
robroy:
Hmmmm I see what you did there.
I was pretty sure you would.
muckles:
Franglais wrote:
Immediately before your first quotes Yeadon writes
“No Need For a Vaccine
There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines”That’s a headline and if he believes that the Pandemic is over then of course a vaccine is not necessary to stop it. but as I said he qualified his statement further down the paragraph.
Well, the current figures from the ONS seem to show the problem is still there. We have been in an abnormal state (social distancing, lowered social freedoms, lowered productivity, etc) and the R number is/was above one again. If it wasnt actively an epidemic, (arguable maybe) then that is only because society wasnt functioning normally. Yeadon`s suggestion of lifting all restrictions is foolhardy. His assertion there is no no need for a vaccine is based on the very dodgy assertions and assumptions used by the Barrington Group. Yes, he is making assumptions whilst slagging off others who do so!
I do agree that there is a lot of sensationalist media reporting about.
I do think the Gov and it`s spokespersons have been very lacking too. Although their message might have been OK, they are not good at communicating it.
muckles:
If you take out the 9 weeks when there was most definitely an epidemic in the UK and excess deaths were running at over 200% above the 5 year average, this year excess deaths have been 1.5% higher than the 5 year average and 4% lower than the highest in those 5 years.
That looks suspiciously like cherry picking data points to support a preconceived hypotheses?
I don`t believe you to be dishonest, but what are you doing here?
I think you know enough about Statistics to be aware of the dangers here. You are looking fr patterns and there are always patterns to be found. It is in predicting what patterns are to be found, and then finding them in fresh data that may mean something.
muckles:
Well that depends if you believe there is no natural immunity to Covid?
Due to the lack of evidence…No.
muckles:
I think you miss-read what I wrote, I never said there were only 10 people with long covid, but the recent highly publicised study had only 10 people, not that most news reports mentioned the amount of people in the study, just basically if you get Covid and don’t die then you’ll still be ill for the rest of your life, sensationalism.And I know there are other studies, but there are also long term studies from Austria and the US showing that the conditions improve in many patients especially if they get treatment and many others that have symptoms past the normal period of the disease, recover within a few weeks.
Maybe I did get what you were saying wrong. Sorry if so.
And agreed the media can get it wrong. However the Lancet and BMJ reports stand up dont they? If they have found something other studies havent, then they have found something.
Saying there are treatments which may help long COVID symptoms doesnt mean they arent there, or can be passed off lightly.
muckles:
However I’m not an anti-vaxer, I worry about the speed of approval for a vaccine that will be offered to healthy people at low risk, I can understand offering it to those at high risk, like other experimental treatments when the risks are worth it.
If I had an incurable disease and somebody offered me a treatment with emergency approval I’d take it, same if somebody offered me a vaccine for a disease with an horrendously high Case Fatality rate, but if somebody offer me the same for a disease I will more than likely fully recover from, if I get at all, or if I might have all ready had, (which could be likely) then I’d politely refuse.
Vaccination is a strange one for Game Theory, isnt it?
If everyone refused it, then it is a bad outcome for all.
If everyone gets vaccinated, then there will some harm done to individuals*
The ideal for an individual is to encourage everyone else to get the jab, but refuse it themselves. Effective in a one off game maybe, but less so in society.
And of course there are those who are unable to accept vaccines because of allergies etc. We healthier ones IMHO have a duty to our fellow citizens to get jabbed.
- In the real world nothing is 100% safe. You could get killed driving to the surgery to get your jab.
So this scientist believes covid is actually a thing…it’s just the vaccine he thinks is wrong?
commonrail:
So this scientist believes covid is actually a thing…it’s just the vaccine he thinks is wrong?
Dr James Lyons Weller has form. If Claude Rains was here, he would be rounding him up with “the usual suspects” in scare mongering vaccines.
He has history on linking MMR vaccination to autism, making claims about mercury and aluminium in vaccines, etc. He is pretty much against all vaccines.
He was also talking in the early part of this year about C19 being released from a Chinese lab.
sciencebasedmedicine.org/james- … y-vaccine/
And from 2018
skepticalraptor.com/skeptic … -aluminum/
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robroy:
The Government have been checking CVs for a driver.
0Oh come on, it’s a JOKE.
What, too soon?
Juddian:
Ask The Experts - Covid-19 Vaccine
Sweet jesus,if that lot doesn’t provide a convincing counter narrative,nothing will.I’ve always had a growing suspicion that the pcr swabs themselves, are an alternate nano-tech vehicle to dragnet the dissenters.Jabbing the cribriform- plate (blood/brain access point) with a huge probe,when the saliva should be the ‘revealer’,should be a massive red-flag in my book
manalishi:
Juddian:
Ask The Experts - Covid-19 VaccineSweet jesus,if that lot doesn’t provide a convincing counter narrative,nothing will.I’ve always had a growing suspicion that the pcr swabs themselves, are an alternate nano-tech vehicle to dragnet the dissenters.Jabbing the cribriform- plate (blood/brain access point) with a huge probe,when the saliva should be the ‘revealer’,should be a massive red-flag in my book
My God!
Linda Lovelace was the first victim then.
