albion:
Colin_scottish:
albion:
Colin_scottish:
Can see Rjam and curryfart have spoken utter pish a [zb] again.I tell you if I get promoted to head mod, I’m going to create a board just for them!
You get my vote they seem to waffle some mince no wonder i dont post often.
Then vote for me Colin, not only will I give them their own board, I’ll lock them in there and not let them out
That would be good 
i will start the voting
Albion, you’ll get a Nobel peace prize for that.
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newmercman:
Albion, you’ll get a Nobel peace prize for that.Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Well I practised on Kim Jong Un and that’s going ok, so I thought I’d try and sort Trucknets pontificators out. Won’t be as easy tho 
Oh you definitely have a job on your hands there [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]
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albion:
Rjan:
albion:
To save quoting reams from Rjan, my dislike of Mc Donnell isn’t based on an extra 5% tax for the wealthy. As I keep saying, last year I moved from sixth best paid, to third best paid after paying myself a bonus. It still put me nowhere near 80 k p.a.And I’d be finishing the business not moving anywhere, just in case it becomes a fact following so much repetition!
I can’t really see how you’d be affected by the Labour government. Even if wages go up, for example - since Labour has argued for a £10 minimum wage - if they go up across the market then prices simply have to go up for customers, and nobody doing business loses any relative competitive advantage. If anything, better bosses gain a competitive advatange, because they can no longer be undercut by the worst.
Rjan, your problem, possibly because I can’t be bothered to write long posts in Rjan/carryfast style, is that you then seize on some random idea that I haven’t mentioned as a reason why I’d have no problem with Labour.
Oddly, I have made the same and other arguments about increased costs to a business. You can make wages £20 an hour and stick a £1000 a day lorry tax on trucks and it makes no odds as long as it applies to everyone.
However that isn’t why I don’t want to vote for Labour in their current guise, and McDonnell. And you can continue to dissect every word and poke about for answers, free world and all that; likewise I don’t have engage in endless nit picking. Carryfast loves you, he wants to have circular debates ad nauseam, I just want to write a paragraph like McDonnells a lying toad and I don’t trust him, without it turning into a ten page epic.
Any chance if I ask politely, you can just leave me alone? Look carryfast has come out to play…
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?
Come on, fess up
That would depend on what else was about that would also pay the bills, principles are good to have, but they don’t pay much.
Personally I would rather do something I enjoy for 12hrs, than something I hate for 8hrs for the same money.
It’s not a position I’ve ever been in, but I’d rather drive a lorry for peanuts than work in a factory. I know that makes me part of the problem, but it’s the truth.
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newmercman:
Personally I would rather do something I enjoy for 12hrs, than something I hate for 8hrs for the same money.I’d rather drive a lorry for peanuts than work in a factory. I know that makes me part of the problem, but it’s the truth.
+1
eagerbeaver:
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?Come on, fess up
They’ll get a pay rise anyway if Labour get in, with a £10 an hour minimum by 2020.
That’ll start to make even the lowest wage look reasonable.
Rjan:
eagerbeaver:
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?Come on, fess up
They’ll get a pay rise anyway if Labour get in, with a £10 an hour minimum by 2020.
That’ll start to make even the lowest wage look reasonable.
And watch the workers smile disappear as soon after getting his first pay packet at that rate, as his tax credits disappear and his tax bill goes up, that’s before you take into account the rise in inflation to pay for it. Getting rid of tax credits in itself is no bad idea as they have been used by companies as a subsidy and a way of getting out of paying a proper wage. There was a thread on here a while back showing the effect of a £1 per rise on Downton’s wage bill add onto that the Labour pledge to reverse previous corporation tax cuts and it will be interesting to see where the money is going to come from.
More jobs mean more tax revenue, more spending means more tax, the easy way to achieve that is by making Britain attractive to businesses, that means less corporate taxes, it’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul as business taxes never amount to more than public spending, plus you get the feel good factor and the real power behind the politicians is happy too, a win for everybody.
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Rjan:
eagerbeaver:
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?Come on, fess up
They’ll get a pay rise anyway if Labour get in, with a £10 an hour minimum by 2020.
That’ll start to make even the lowest wage look reasonable.
And where is this extra money going to come from that Labour have been promising us all, and particularly the Millennials that don’t have a clue how the world works because they’re still living with mummy and daddy? Surely everyone of Generation X age or older knows Labour’s history here, ie. promising the voters the moon on a stick and simply debt the country up to the eyeballs for 5-10 years until the sheeple wake up and out they go again while we all suffer 10+ years of austerity until people forget, and then round and round we go again.
@Albion : I would support your plans for your private forum; the sooner the better in fact, so we don’t have to listen to dull anecdotes about the Alabama Southern States indigenous people, Stalin, Hitler, Thatcher, etc. Rikki : Make it so.
Mazzer2:
Rjan:
eagerbeaver:
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?Come on, fess up
They’ll get a pay rise anyway if Labour get in, with a £10 an hour minimum by 2020.
That’ll start to make even the lowest wage look reasonable.
And watch the workers smile disappear as soon after getting his first pay packet at that rate, as his tax credits disappear and his tax bill goes up, that’s before you take into account the rise in inflation to pay for it.
It’s a fair point, although even keeping 30p in the pound (if you’re a father of children) is better than nothing, and of course it means that you continue to receive your wage even if you divorce, and both before and after having young children. And of course, for families that already earn in excess of the tax credits upper threshold (feasible if you are doing 48 hours a week at £9 an hour, and have a partner who also does a substantial job), then it will be 70p in the pound that you keep (i.e. the full amount, notwithstanding your ordinary income tax that pays for schools and hospitals). It also means, if you are a parent, that your kids have some chance of earning a reasonable wage in due course.
Getting rid of tax credits in itself is no bad idea as they have been used by companies as a subsidy and a way of getting out of paying a proper wage. There was a thread on here a while back showing the effect of a £1 per rise on Downton’s wage bill add onto that the Labour pledge to reverse previous corporation tax cuts and it will be interesting to see where the money is going to come from.
Agreed on the subsidy, but does anyone really wonder where the money is going to come from? It’s a redistribution from unearned to earned income - it’s why the party is called “Labour”.
Nobody ever seems to ask the Tories “where is the money coming from for tax cuts” (the answer being from reduced public services and public infrastructure, which is why roads all over the country are crumbling), or ask the bosses “where is the money coming from for increased profits” (the answer nowadays almost invariably being out of workers’ wages and conditions).
An increase in corporation tax comes out of corporate profits (corporation tax is a tax on corporate profits, which is the residual that is left for owners after workers’ wages are paid). As for the increased wage bill, it either comes out of profits also, goes into increased prices, or forces better productivity (e.g. instead of working drivers 15 hours a day, higher wages encourage firms to get on with things, organise work like clockwork, and reduce waiting times).
newmercman:
More jobs mean more tax revenue, more spending means more tax, the easy way to achieve that is by making Britain attractive to businesses, that means less corporate taxes, it’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul as business taxes never amount to more than public spending, plus you get the feel good factor and the real power behind the politicians is happy too, a win for everybody.
But it hasn’t worked, has it? Employment was higher in the postwar period when taxes were sky high - and with better quality jobs.
Tax cuts do not make Britain more attractive to businesses - especially once other national governments follow suit (and therefore remove any competitive advantage). It just increases profits for those that already exist, whilst either shifting the tax burden onto workers or eroding the quality of public services and infrastructure, and indeed shifting wealth from workers to owners.
The Tories are celebrating that unemployment has just reached the same low level as it was in the 1970s. Wages are now falling again in real terms for most workers. I could create jobs if your kids are willing to come and wash my car every day for tuppence an hour once they’ve finished university.
Rob K:
Rjan:
eagerbeaver:
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?Come on, fess up
They’ll get a pay rise anyway if Labour get in, with a £10 an hour minimum by 2020.
That’ll start to make even the lowest wage look reasonable.
And where is this extra money going to come from that Labour have been promising us all, and particularly the Millennials that don’t have a clue how the world works because they’re still living with mummy and daddy? Surely everyone of Generation X age or older knows Labour’s history here, ie. promising the voters the moon on a stick and simply debt the country up to the eyeballs for 5-10 years until the sheeple wake up and out they go again while we all suffer 10+ years of austerity until people forget, and then round and round we go again.
You say that is “Labour’s history” but I don’t remember a single case when Labour piled on debt followed by austerity. Even the IMF loan in 1976 was repaid before Labour left office, and that too wasn’t caused by spending.
Even with New Labour, the debt only shot up because they used the state to rescue the capitalist economy - along with every Western nation, including those run by right-wing governments (like the Republicans in the US). And New Labour can certainly be faulted for not regulating the economy better (i.e. in a more socialist fashion), but they did not even devise the deregulated conditions - they simply stuck with those that they inherited from the Tories (whose record I assume you are trying to defend comparatively).
@Albion : I would support your plans for your private forum; the sooner the better in fact, so we don’t have to listen to dull anecdotes about the Alabama Southern States indigenous people, Stalin, Hitler, Thatcher, etc. Rikki : Make it so.
And perhaps others won’t have to listen to dull (and totally false) anecdotes about the history of the Labour party.
Rjan:
An increase in corporation tax comes out of corporate profits (corporation tax is a tax on corporate profits, which is the residual that is left for owners after workers’ wages are paid). As for the increased wage bill, it either comes out of profits also, goes into increased prices, or forces better productivity (e.g. instead of working drivers 15 hours a day, higher wages encourage firms to get on with things, organise work like clockwork, and reduce waiting times).
More delusional Labour bollox.An increase in corportation tax just means that the employers will pass it on into the economy in the form of higher prices and job cuts to offset more of the tax against wage costs.While a wage rise at the expense of having to do more work for it isn’t a wage rise at all.In this case your example would actually mean trying to force more work into the same 15 hour day combined with job cuts.IE how are you going to increase the ‘productivety’ of a crap multi drop job for example without making the job even worse for the unfortunate driver ?.Also how will you stop the issue of lower paid East Euro competition under cutting your wage and tax regime ‘improvements’.
While no surprise that you wouldn’t want the real increase in productivety which LHV’s would provide.Combined with removal of road fuel duty to stop the situation of what is effectively a discriminatory tax on all of those employed in the road transport industry.Because that would upset your preferred elite union mates at ASLEF and RMT.
Rjan:
Rob K:
Rjan:
eagerbeaver:
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?Come on, fess up
They’ll get a pay rise anyway if Labour get in, with a £10 an hour minimum by 2020.
That’ll start to make even the lowest wage look reasonable.
And where is this extra money going to come from that Labour have been promising us all, and particularly the Millennials that don’t have a clue how the world works because they’re still living with mummy and daddy? Surely everyone of Generation X age or older knows Labour’s history here, ie. promising the voters the moon on a stick and simply debt the country up to the eyeballs for 5-10 years until the sheeple wake up and out they go again while we all suffer 10+ years of austerity until people forget, and then round and round we go again.
You say that is “Labour’s history” but I don’t remember a single case when Labour piled on debt followed by austerity. Even the IMF loan in 1976 was repaid before Labour left office, and that too wasn’t caused by spending.
Even with New Labour, the debt only shot up because they used the state to rescue the capitalist economy - along with every Western nation, including those run by right-wing governments (like the Republicans in the US). And New Labour can certainly be faulted for not regulating the economy better (i.e. in a more socialist fashion), but they did not even devise the deregulated conditions - they simply stuck with those that they inherited from the Tories (whose record I assume you are trying to defend comparatively).
I’m not trying to defend anyone. I am merely adding some balance to your endless pro-Labour posts. I wouldn’t vote for any of them because for the past 20 years+ there hasn’t been any noteworthy difference between the left and the right and everyone in between except the colour of their ties. The sooner that the population wakes up to this and stops voting for a different shade of the same tired old ■■■■ every 5 years nothing will ever change and the country will continue to go to the dogs.
Rjan:
You say that is “Labour’s history” but I don’t remember a single case when Labour piled on debt followed by austerity. Even the IMF loan in 1976 was repaid before Labour left office, and that too wasn’t caused by spending.
Labour didn’t exactly ‘leave’ office in 1979 they were rightly kicked out of office.Remind us how that came about.Oh wait imposed wage cuts and public sector cuts to pay back the debt.Which hit the lowest paid hardest resulting in the winter of discontent in which you yourself have blamed the workers for not being prepared to pick up the cost of the 1970’s inflation spiral.Preferring instead to maintain the profits of the oil companies flogging off our own oil at world prices on the world market including to us.
Mazzer2:
Rjan:
eagerbeaver:
The real question on this thread should be " WHO on here will work for minimum wage, if/when truck driving is only paid that amount? ". There must be a number of drivers on here currently working for £9.00 ph, so if these firms don’t give a pay rise for the next couple of years, who would stay?Come on, fess up [emoji38]
They’ll get a pay rise anyway if Labour get in, with a £10 an hour minimum by 2020.
That’ll start to make even the lowest wage look reasonable.
And watch the workers smile disappear as soon after getting his first pay packet at that rate, as his tax credits disappear and his tax bill goes up, that’s before you take into account the rise in inflation to pay for it. Getting rid of tax credits in itself is no bad idea as they have been used by companies as a subsidy and a way of getting out of paying a proper wage. There was a thread on here a while back showing the effect of a £1 per rise on Downton’s wage bill add onto that the Labour pledge to reverse previous corporation tax cuts and it will be interesting to see where the money is going to come from.
Downtons should be able to afford it now they have been bought out by money men though.
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