Gas Attacks

A couple of years ago I was robbed near Bussolengo on a restaurant near the SR11 (Verona - Lago di Garda)
I will look if I can find the whole paperwork back, but I’ve moved from Holland to the UK since than.

I had a meal that evening in the Albergo and the normal 0.5 ltr wine with it, I didn’t drink anything else, and was used to drink a little bit more than that. :blush:
When I walked back to the square in front of the church, I felt a bit funny and drowsy, and thought that must be some strength of wine.
There where a couple of more trucks parked there and beside me was an 8 wheeler flat bed.
Went in the truck (FH12) locked the door and left the window about 2 inches open. This was approx 22.30hrs
Got into my bed and must have fell asleep immediately, when I woke up, I felt very groggy, and realised that my drawer under the bed was open, the truck was quite a mess, and I am a person with OCD.
Still at that time I thought is was strong wine and I must have made the mess, myself.
However when I went to open the door I realised that both doors where open, and the locks clicked in so that the doors couldn’t get shut by the wind.
The passenger window had al greasy mark on it like somebody had pulled himself up on it, or had been trying to force the window down.

When I cleared the mess up, I realised that the following things where missing, watch, camera, bracelet, but funny enough they left the golden chain around my neck.
They also opened the drawer under the bed any funny enough they emptied my wallet (with all the different currency’s) but had thrown my passport and driver license back (they nicked the leather cover) also the left my credit cards in the truck (lucky because I was going a week later to the USA for Holiday)
They left my video and TV, and all my ■■■■ movies.
When in the morning I visited the carabinieri office in Bussolengo, they told it happened before in that area, and they where speaking about nitrogen, what in fact is harmless on his own but pushes the oxygen away, and let you pass out.
Many a tanker driver knows the danger of nitrogen. If you pass out and get quick enough oxygen again (put in the fresh air) than there is not that big a risk, a minute to long and your ready for your wooden coat.
But I had more the idea myself that I was drugged in the Albergo with some heavy sleep pill grinded in my food or drinks .
The good thing was that I was a single man that time and the money didn’t hurt me very much, more the pictures on my camera.
I couldn’t claim for anything because I didn’t have a separate insurance for my belongings in the truck.

The more I read and investigate these stories, it gets further away from what happens. I believe that Caledonian Dream is nearer the mark in having a spiked drink or too as he said he felt rough getting back to the truck. Some drivers cannot keep the type, value or destination of their load to themselves. Several tales have appeared on these forums over the years, all have ended up as it can’t happen to you like that or it happened to my mates next door neighbours dogs kennel maid.

I have been hearing of all these quite unbelievable tales since before I was a driver, especially in Italy. a driver went for a meal, watched his truck being driven away, was put up overnight by three nubile sisters and the next morning the truck was back, washed, valeted, the trailer was empty and in the ashtray was 500,000 Lira.

I don’t doubt there are some desperate people. I woke up in Yugoslavia to discover some bearded bloke with a rather large knife in his hand looking for money. I am not sure who was more scared, me or him when he realised I was awake. He proceeded to bollock me about leaving the door open I think, which I forget if I did or not, it was certainly a hot night and I had parked up about 4am.

There are too many of the gas attack stories around and not one reported death or lasting injury. I find it difficult to believe some ■■■■■ scum have discovered a harmless gas that an anaesthetist has studied years to administer and control.

Does anyone know which type/s of gas are claimed to be used in these attacks?

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last year 1 of my drivers tipped at arcelor in calais. reloaded then parked in the truck park near the motorway inside the premises. those of you who pass it will know where i mean. this driver does not smoke or drink at all. he cooked his dinner in the cab. then went to sleep in order to get the 04.00 ferry. he woke up at 10am with a splitting headache and his wallet passport etc gone and the door opened. police where called by security and he was taken to hospital complaining of a sharp pain behind his eyes. the report stated that he had been administered some sort of gas. though it could not be identified owing to time lapses.

im not convinced either exists same as harry etc but to have it done to 1 of your drivers who you know and trust not to be pulling a flanker does make you wonder. to cap it all around a week later the driver was sent a letter by the police as a report into the incident and after translation it clearly stated that this type of attack is on the increase but nobody in the “immigrant” population had ever been caught in possesion of any such substance.

the driver retired 4 months ago but i will ask hm if he still has the police report and post it up here. like i said im not convinced either but belive me this driver was as honest as a day is long and we dont give running money everything is all cards and a check on those revealed no missuse etc. also he was not short of a bob or 2 and never in the 7 years i was his boss did i have cause to think otherwise.

Laura Hailstone:
Does anyone know which type/s of gas are claimed to be used in these attacks?

Ether used to be a popular suggestion. (It’s widely available in EasyStart and lots of early 20th century crime fiction.)

It’s incredibly, distinctively, smelly and so you would think there were lots of people who had been under-dosed with stories of waking up in a stink of ether but with nothing missing. Along with all the over-dosed dead people who don’t apparently exist either.

Higher up someone suggests nitrogen, which would at least be harder to detect but seems just as likely to leave Europe covered in dead truck drivers.

Might also attract a bit of attention if someone turns up with a couple of bloody great cylinders of nitrogen and starts firing it into the cab !. Doesn’t it also freeze, i might believe someone if they turned up with no money a condom up there jack and a chill blain on there old man.

Ex Haulier:
Might also attract a bit of attention if someone turns up with a couple of bloody great cylinders of nitrogen and starts firing it into the cab !. Doesn’t it also freeze, i might believe someone if they turned up with no money a condom up there jack and a chill blain on there old man.

Nitrogen doesn’t have to be in great big cylinders, has an expension rate of 1:694 (liquid to Gas) does only freeze when liquid or solid, is used in tyres of racing bikes and Cars and more and more in trucks and car tyres.
Nitrogen is odourless, colorless and tasteless, and may produce asphyxia without any sensation or warning, when used in confined spaces.

caledoniandream:
Nitrogen is odourless, colorless and tasteless, and may produce asphyxia without any sensation or warning, when used in confined spaces.

Yes it certainly can, and has in the past been advocated as a replacement for cyanide in American gas chambers. It would, at the very least, cause severe brain damage if used to render somebody unconscious.

However nitrogen is not poisonous, approx 78% of the atmosphere is nitrogen, the problem is in the fact that it replaces the oxygen, and without oxygen your light will go out…forever.
In the tanker world nitrogen is widely used as a protection blanket for flammable products, beer, and to keep products dry when you off-load under pressure, like dextrose for the washing detergent industry.
There has been drivers killed with it, going into a tank without enough ventilation, and there are drivers who has been lucky and woke up a 1-2 minute later, and found that they lost their last meal in their trousers.

So as Harry said to put somebody to sleep with it and to be sure that he woke up after it, would need a very precise administering of the product, keeping in mind that the volume of the cab, size of person, health situation and the amount of ventilation needs to be considered.
They are not doctors, they are robbing stealing ■■■■■■■■ (RSB)

I still have a lot of doubts, I guess that in my case the food or the wine was spiked, but why did they leave the doors open?
Why did they put the locks that way that the doors couldn’t fell shut? (they couldn’t open the windows because on the old type Volvo FH you had to switch the ignition on to operate the windows, and I still had the key around my neck)
It’s all still a guess, and for month after the incident, I wouldn’t park everywhere, and would always look around me who was parked up and who was hanging around, got very anxious about it, but lucky that went after a while. It was more the worry about somebody in my cab while I couldn’t defend myself than the stolen goods, they are replaceable after all.

My other doubt is still, over the years a lot of our college’s died from “Heart attacks” abroad, or did they??
It would be easy for a foreign doctor and police to write a death certificate out, and avoid a whole murder scene, with hours of investigation which will lead to nothing.
Maybe I just see things too black, but it has always played in the back of my head. I wonder now and than if there where belongings missing when the body brought home?
I don’t know your guess is as good as mine.

I was talking to one driver who woke up and found some bod searching his cab,(bin at the time) so he jumped out of the bunk and managed to kick the guy out of the truck,and then gave the (zb) a severe beating whilst some other drivers stood round,lol ,for some reason the plod where called they got an ambulance for the robbing (zb) who was an illegal immigrant,his mates also got arrested they where in a stolen car,full of drivers belongings tv’s laptops sat navs fridges ect, they obviously had been going round msa’s breaking into trucks ,the driver of the truck had his details taken, but never heard more about it ,
There has been reports of gas attacks /drivers being robbed over hear too

Sleep behind the centre bed curtain if your truck has one and stick one of these somewhere. Inside a small cab a 110dB alarm is going to hurt your ears and the ears of the scum that’s just stepped in the truck and others around you.

Steve-o:
Sleep behind the centre bed curtain if your truck has one and stick one of these somewhere. Inside a small cab a 110dB alarm is going to hurt your ears and the ears of the scum that’s just stepped in the truck and others around you.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002JCTR0G/ref=asc_df_B002JCTR0G746285?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B002JCTR0G

Hope you dont need a ■■■■ in the night then…

tommy t:
I was talking to one driver who woke up and found some bod searching his cab,(bin at the time) so he jumped out of the bunk and managed to kick the guy out of the truck,and then gave the (zb) a severe beating whilst some other drivers stood round,lol ,for some reason the plod where called they got an ambulance for the robbing (zb) who was an illegal immigrant,his mates also got arrested they where in a stolen car,full of drivers belongings tv’s laptops sat navs fridges ect, they obviously had been going round msa’s breaking into trucks ,the driver of the truck had his details taken, but never heard more about it ,
There has been reports of gas attacks /drivers being robbed over hear too

Yes, but what the OP asked for was documentary proof, like something from the Police or a doctor, not a MMTM.

Steve-o:
Sleep behind the centre bed curtain if your truck has one and stick one of these somewhere. Inside a small cab a 110dB alarm is going to hurt your ears and the ears of the scum that’s just stepped in the truck and others around you.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002JCTR0G/ref=asc_df_B002JCTR0G746285?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B002JCTR0G

The motion sensor detects the slightest movement

Hmmm, so when the unit and or trailer loses some air outta the suspension during the night and settles with a jolt, as they do - often enough to wake you up, what happens?

Driveroneuk:

Steve-o:
Sleep behind the centre bed curtain if your truck has one and stick one of these somewhere. Inside a small cab a 110dB alarm is going to hurt your ears and the ears of the scum that’s just stepped in the truck and others around you.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002JCTR0G/ref=asc_df_B002JCTR0G746285?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B002JCTR0G

The motion sensor detects the slightest movement

Hmmm, so when the unit and or trailer loses some air outta the suspension during the night and settles with a jolt, as they do - often enough to wake you up, what happens?

Well I personally used to drop the rear suspension so there was no way I would roll out the bed.

It was just a suggestion, I’m sure there’s other models avalible

Well it seems that Truckpol and Europol agree with me and many other drivers. All the research I have ever seen backs this story up too. It is too convenient to simply blame an Eastern European gang who have found Saddam Husseins secret stash of chemical weapons.

roadtransport.com/Articles/2 … solved.htm

The NHS and David Camerons government could save millions if they pay off all the anaesthetists and employ a few ■■■■■■ with Sentox and an old goat :laughing:

Poisoning by a nerve agent leads to contraction of pupils, profuse salivation, convulsions, involuntary urination and defecation and eventual death by asphyxiation as control is lost over respiratory muscles. Some nerve agents are readily vaporized or aerosolized and the primary portal of entry into the body is the respiratory system. Nerve agents can also be absorbed through the skin, requiring that those likely to be subjected to such agents wear a full body suit in addition to a respirator.

Wheel Nut:
Well it seems that Truckpol and Europol agree with me and many other drivers. All the research I have ever seen backs this story up too. It is too convenient to simply blame an Eastern European gang who have found Saddam Husseins secret stash of chemical weapons.

roadtransport.com/Articles/2 … solved.htm

Soames’ comments come as Midlands haulage company Europe Logistics investigates claims by a subcontractor that he is still suffering side effects after being gassed in Waastmunster, Belgium, by two Iraqi illegal immigrants last Thursday night. They are understood to have boarded the trailer before being discovered by a UK Border Agency sniffer dog in Calais. The driver could be fined £2,000 per clandestine.

Makes no sense at all. Why would these two Iraqis gas the driver in order to sneak into his trailer? Given that they had almost certainly fled Iraq with little more than the clothes they stood up in, where would they have obtained this gas? If it does exist, how come there is no mention anywhere on the internet as to how you can make it or where you can buy it?

So the bottom line is that this thread can been added to Neil’s ‘Urban Myths’ topic then. :bulb:

not quite the same,but I managed to gas myself one night. After having a very nice meal and a few (too many) wines, I went back to my cab and opened a beer, at some stage I forgot I had just had a meal and decided to cook some food, I don’t know what actually happened, but around 4 in the morning after having loads of nightmares I woke up with a foul taste in my mouth and the worst head ache I have ever experienced. Looking on my dash board I could see a pot of cold food with the gas turned on underneath it, but not lit. I felt very sick and opened both doors. The smell stayed in the cab for days and I didn’t feel better for a few days myself. Even then I was nauseous and was sick at the smell of gas for months.
Luckily I only spent about 100fr (£10) so didn’t bother to report the gassing as a robbery. :unamused:

I only cook outside the cab nowadays.

Wheel Nut:
This could be a long thread :stuck_out_tongue:

i think your right.
i wasn’t even going to bother to post. i remember ages ago, putting up a thread, involving this subject. it, “alledgedly” happened to my mate, (a man, whos word i trust, more than any one elses, on the planet) but after the many flamed replies to this thread, i actually started to question, if the event happened?
now, anyone thats done the job for a while, especially over the water, will know, there are some real decent lads doing this job, and, then, there are the been there, seen it, done it, merchants :unamused:
i know which category my mate is in, so have a real genuine interest, in some sort of definitive, answer, on this whole subject, 1 way or the other. as stated i wouldn’t have bothered, other than, what appears to be a couple of other, very genuine sounding, posts, on the possibility, that there is some sort of genuine weight, to this story, that the gassing/drugging may actually have happened.
bear in mind, my mate is happily married, finanically sound, and genuine, so would have absolutely nothing to achieve, from making up, (something he has never done) some bullshat story.
odd, indeed!