ivor biggin:
Talking to a fellow trucker the other day & he tells me he has been advised to turn the truck off @ traffic lights. . . This could lead to all sorts of problems Whats yer views on this
its illegal for one
No it isnât otherwise cars with stop start systems wouldnât be allowed.
yes it is this technology is only a few years old, I bought the wife the new mini countryman 12 plate I hope none of you get caught at lights by plod! the only time youâre allowed to turn your engine off is ; when itâs going to cause an explosion as a source of ignition!
ivor biggin:
Talking to a fellow trucker the other day & he tells me he has been advised to turn the truck off @ traffic lights. . . This could lead to all sorts of problems Whats yer views on this
its illegal for one
No it isnât otherwise cars with stop start systems wouldnât be allowed.
yes it is this technology is only a few years old, I bought the wife the new mini countryman 12 plate I hope none of you get caught at lights by plod! the only time youâre allowed to turn your engine off is ; when itâs going to cause an explosion as a source of ignition!
ivor biggin:
Talking to a fellow trucker the other day & he tells me he has been advised to turn the truck off @ traffic lights. . . This could lead to all sorts of problems Whats yer views on this
its illegal for one
No it isnât otherwise cars with stop start systems wouldnât be allowed.
yes it is this technology is only a few years old, I bought the wife the new mini countryman 12 plate I hope none of you get caught at lights by plod! the only time youâre allowed to turn your engine off is ; when itâs going to cause an explosion as a source of ignition!
Can you point us to this legal issue of switching engine off at lights?
And if illegal then why do car manufacturers sell illegal cars?
All our DAFâs cut out after 3 minutes on tickover, much to the annoyance of some the drivers who like to warm things through on a cold morning (instead of firing it up and shooting off into the sunrise on a cold engine like the rest of 'em) so I told 'em the easiest way to overcome this was to build the revs up a couple of hundred on the cruise switchâŚsimples. And talking about leaving it running for a couple of minutes to have a breather, before switching it off, a driver from another depot, who comes in to ours at night for a load, switches his off as soon as heâs pulled in the yard. I asked him why he never left it ticking over while he popped to goods in as it will eventually cause problems with the turboâŚânever had one go yetâ he replied. Saw him a few days later and enquired as to why he was late a few nights after our conversation and he replied ââ â â â â â â turbo wentâ and he has been advised to leave it running before switching it off from now onâŚhow I chuckled!!
No chance, youâd look like a right know if it didnât start again. As one who had had problems with starter motors before, Iâd never drive a vehicle that had stop/start tech.
ivor biggin:
Talking to a fellow trucker the other day & he tells me he has been advised to turn the truck off @ traffic lights. . . This could lead to all sorts of problems Whats yer views on this
its illegal for one
No it isnât otherwise cars with stop start systems wouldnât be allowed.
yes it is this technology is only a few years old, I bought the wife the new mini countryman 12 plate I hope none of you get caught at lights by plod! the only time youâre allowed to turn your engine off is ; when itâs going to cause an explosion as a source of ignition!
no matter how many times you post it, you are still talking â â â â â â â â
as requested more than once now, please provide a link to this âlawâ that states it is illegal to turn the engine off at traffic lights
I think some companies take fuel consumption a bit serious,Or is it the smaller companies that come down hard on fuel consumption to save them money, youâve got many factors which you got to take on board the truck your driving
Age of vehicle , power , weight , distance And weather
Does companies not take these things on board??
What figure would be over achieving in a old truck in mpg
If youâve got a old motor on the road hauling the same load as a new truck
Which one would do you think would get decent fuel consuMption taking on board all the factors I have put above
ivor biggin:
Talking to a fellow trucker the other day & he tells me he has been advised to turn the truck off @ traffic lights. . . This could lead to all sorts of problems Whats yer views on this
its illegal for one
No it isnât otherwise cars with stop start systems wouldnât be allowed.
yes it is this technology is only a few years old, I bought the wife the new mini countryman 12 plate I hope none of you get caught at lights by plod! the only time youâre allowed to turn your engine off is ; when itâs going to cause an explosion as a source of ignition!
What, like every single combustion engine in the worldâŚ
â â â â , squeeze, BANG, blow⌠The BANG being an explosion, either caused by a spark or by the compression, depending on a petrol or diesel engine. This is my defence
You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road. Generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution. However it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults.
Law CUR regs 98 & 107
MAN informed our company that turning engine off and on causes no problem whatsoever, and this is expected if you know you are going to stopped for more than⌠wait for it 10 secs we have a telematics league table per month, monitoring for hitting â sweetspot, over revs, cruise control, top gear, mpg, idling.
Top score last month was 112pts - distance 4908 - sweet spot 99.6%, over rev 0.0, Top Gear 79.0, Cruise 92.5, idle 0, fuel eco 8.48
out of 90 drivers last month i hit 6th with 108pts - distance 4332 - sweet spot 98.3%, over rev 0.0, Top gear 76.8, cruise 87.2, idle 0.8 - fuel economy 8.2
Its just another stick to try and beat the drivers with IMO
ivor biggin:
ââŚbeen advised to turn the truck off @ traffic lightsâŚâ
My lot advise us of this too, so I comply where itâs practical.
Thatâs usually when:
1 I know or can read clues of the light sequence by traffic flows, etc
2 I know the timing periodicity
3 Dawdling up to the lights (ie., ââŚtiming it rightâŚâ) would be taking the tiddle out of âBilly Mustardâ to dangerously carve in front.
I tend not to overly bother if:
1 Iâm first in the queue
2 Itâs a hill-start, what with our pram fleet being semi-automated and prone to roll-back without hill-start first being selected - which along with faggy coaxing of the handbrake wastes time, etc.
I donât have much concern for the turbo since I understand (ignorantly trust ) that our 60/61 plated CFâs can cope. However, experience suggests to immediately prime the ignition (the first click ) after switching off in fear of otherwise causing an obstruction through time delay when itâs my time to go.
Meanwhile, Iâm still not 100% clued-up whether the digi-tacho rounds-up minutes for the on/off/on/off larks: Iâd be loathe to crock myself with extra minutes being recorded with the engine off. Need I have concern - or is this another thread issue
Merc 16 ,18 and 24 tonners come with MCC fitted as standard.It stops the engine after ten seconds if the truck is idling in neutral, the coolant is at operating temperature and battery voltage is above 24.5 volts.
At the moment you can turn it off but the new model is fixed.
Its so they can"prove" their mixed urban cycle data(which they have already been prosecuted for in the USA on their cars)
Other manufacturers use a âtick over timerâ which is an add on that you can adjust with a wee screw driver usually mounted in the fuse box/ecu cabinet in the passenger foot well.
Silver_Surfer:
Ha, MAN advice, the amount of grief Iâve had with MAN starter motors still gives me nightmares.
Some cars eg Puegeot dont use the starter motor to crank the engine they use the Alterrnator and Merc are looking at using the same system to save wear on ring gear teeth and starter nose gear
I think that energy (fuel) consumption is proportional (among other things) to aerodynamic drag (wind resistance). This drag is proportional (among other things) to speed squared. i.e. doubling the speed increases drag fourfold. So fuel consumption would benefit from driving as slowly as is compatable with engine efficiency. Also each time the starter is used, surely the battery needs recharging by the engine which is not a totally efficient process.
Silver_Surfer:
Ha, MAN advice, the amount of grief Iâve had with MAN starter motors still gives me nightmares.
Some cars eg Puegeot dont use the starter motor to crank the engine they use the Alterrnator and Merc are looking at using the same system to save wear on ring gear teeth and starter nose gear
Iâm not disputing this as I know very little about the gubbins under the bonnet, but how do they do this? Surely it must mean the alternator is mechanically driven as opposed to a belt, as I imagine a belt used to turn the engine by the alternator would be prone to slipping.
As an aside about this whole fuel economy thing Iâll just state that Iâve always been quite â â â â about fuel economy, both when Iâve been an employer and an employee Iâve constantly striven for better economy with the whole green band driving, cutting down ticking over etc.
But what really strikes me is that the best tool to use to reduce a fleets fuel usage is a properly wielded pencil! Even if I could somehow squeeze 30mpg from an artic itâs completely negated by me running 150 miles for a backload, passing one of ours running 150 miles in the opposite direction also heading to collect a backload. Maybe a shrewd operator would identify this as his area of highest possible fuel savings.
Nah, itâll never happen as long as a driver dropping the ball is a disciplinary, whereas the office dropping the ball is merely oversight!
the maoster:
As an aside about this whole fuel economy thing Iâll just state that Iâve always been quite â â â â about fuel economy, both when Iâve been an employer and an employee Iâve constantly striven for better economy with the whole green band driving, cutting down ticking over etc.
But what really strikes me is that the best tool to use to reduce a fleets fuel usage is a properly wielded pencil! Even if I could somehow squeeze 30mpg from an artic itâs completely negated by me running 150 miles for a backload, passing one of ours running 150 miles in the opposite direction also heading to collect a backload. Maybe a shrewd operator would identify this as his area of highest possible fuel savings.
Nah, itâll never happen as long as a driver dropping the ball is a disciplinary, whereas the office dropping the ball is merely oversight!
That has got to be the best post on this thread so far
Whats yer views on this
for one
I hope none of you get caught at lights by plod! 
) that our 60/61 plated CFâs can cope. However, experience suggests to immediately prime the ignition (the first click 
) after switching off in fear of otherwise causing an obstruction through time delay when itâs my time to go.