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Bking:
Times it by a thousand and they just might get the idea of what has been like to live in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya or Syria for the past ten or fifteen years due to the French governments meddling in sovereign states affairs that were none of their business.

You sow the wind and eventually you reap the whirlwind.
And the same goes for the UK.Do you seriously expect no pay back for the mountain of misery we have inflicted on these countries for years?
Compare 129 dead to the millions that have been massacred by “allied” bombings,invasions and sanctions?

How stupid are the people of Europe?
And the real gem is that we call our selves the “victims”
In Iraq and Afghanistan alone you are talking over 2 million deaths.
If it was your family would you not crave revenge?
And what will be the answer to this atrocity?
More murder,war and killing.
As with the IRA the only answer is to talk and negotiate.
It is not the politicians who do the dying its your kids,wives and friends.

If you really think that there’s any connection between the aims of even the Provisional IRA,as opposed to those of Jihad,you’re as dangerously deluded as the Socialist zbwits like Corbyn.

In ‘this case’ we’re dealing with something similar to ■■■■ Germany but then you say that never happened either.Which in ‘this case’ is using tactics of infiltration and guerrilla warfare not all out war.

In ‘this case’ the way to deal with that would be to repatriate or liquidate all of the potential infiltration problem that exists within our own borders and stop any more getting in.

Then don’t differentiate between irregular action or all out war by the ‘Jihadist’s’ home state against us assuming they then still don’t get the message.Bearing in mind the numbers in question the answer to that obviously not being a few ‘boots on the ground’ or limited conventional bombing,being that unfortunately winning all out war always means having to kill more of the enemy,both combatants and civilians,than they kill of us.

On that note the question of all out war between the west/Israel v the major Islamic states like Saudi and Iran etc is probably more a question of when not if and hopefully before the Arabs and Iranians etc get access to nukes.Although having said that we’re probably already facing the prospect of the Islamic nuke bomb attack in the form of Pakistan.In which case the question is who helped them to develop that capability and why. :unamused: :bulb:

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As with the IRA the only answer is to talk and negotiate.
It is not the politicians who do the dying its your kids,wives and friends.

There is no negotiating with them. There is no common ground. They want us dead or enslaved and living to their rules. They themselves have said this.

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There’s more risk of “New Old Labour” becoming the ■■■■ Party of Great Britain than there is of the Provo IRA ever achieving their own aims of bringing down the British Establishment.

Their aims are not actually a “United Ireland” - but just an Ireland where Britain no longer stops them from engaging in an official persecution of Protestantism. All the time the UK clings onto Northern Ireland though, this extreme form of Catholicism (rather than Islam this time) is kept in check indefinitely.

Looking at the venom any reasoned argument finds itself when uttered in Corbyn’s Labour company however… I’m fast becoming convinced that an Orwellian future for Britain is the underlying agenda for the faceless and nameless Corbynites that need to really be getting a job and paying taxes rather than wearing masks and pretending to be something else entirely.

Hitler and the ■■■■ party. Corbyn and the Orwellian Party. Already promoting “Newspeak”, already launching vitrolic, over-the-top attacks on (for the moment) our incumbent cabinet ministers…

Well. Let’s here how Her Majesty’s opposition would SOLVE all the problems they are quick to lay at the door of the ruling Conservatives - but not quick to say “how to fix”. Just saying “The other guy is crap and we have all the genius blue-sky thinkers on the left here” is never going to be believed for an instance - let alone “accepted” by any electorate of now or the foreseeable future.

Right now - a rigid crackdown is in order. We’re not at war with Islam, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Spiteful ConSelf-Servatism, or even more spiteful Loony Lefists that are starting to make even Communism look good right now.

We are at war with “Outlaws”. Those that refused to integrate. Those who just want to kill us - because we cannot ever be ruled by the barbaric regime they envisage otherwise.

It’s a battle of hearts and minds - not religions, races, geographic regions, or political views.
The battle of “Heart and Mind” when spoken of in historic prophetic works better goes under the name of “Armageddon” of course. Even Israel needs to wake up - Megiddo is on their patch - and first in line should an ISIS invasion of Israel occur, bringing Russian, Chinese, and Coalition forces (east and west from either shore) into the fray.

ISIS need to be stamped on by the civilized world - before they destroy each of the world’s civilizations with their hand-tied-behind-the-back adherence to peace as it does… :frowning:

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Winseer:
There’s more risk of “New Old Labour” becoming the ■■■■ Party of Great Britain than there is of the Provo IRA ever achieving their own aims of bringing down the British Establishment.

Their aims are not actually a “United Ireland” - but just an Ireland where Britain no longer stops them from engaging in an official persecution of Protestantism. All the time the UK clings onto Northern Ireland though, this extreme form of Catholicism (rather than Islam this time) is kept in check indefinitely.

Looking at the venom any reasoned argument finds itself when uttered in Corbyn’s Labour company however… I’m fast becoming convinced that an Orwellian future for Britain is the underlying agenda for the faceless and nameless Corbynites that need to really be getting a job and paying taxes rather than wearing masks and pretending to be something else entirely.

Hitler and the ■■■■ party. Corbyn and the Orwellian Party. Already promoting “Newspeak”, already launching vitrolic, over-the-top attacks on (for the moment) our incumbent cabinet ministers…

Well. Let’s here how Her Majesty’s opposition would SOLVE all the problems they are quick to lay at the door of the ruling Conservatives - but not quick to say “how to fix”. Just saying “The other guy is crap and we have all the genius blue-sky thinkers on the left here” is never going to be believed for an instance - let alone “accepted” by any electorate of now or the foreseeable future.

Right now - a rigid crackdown is in order. We’re not at war with Islam, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Spiteful ConSelf-Servatism, or even more spiteful Loony Lefists that are starting to make even Communism look good right now.

We are at war with “Outlaws”. Those that refused to integrate. Those who just want to kill us - because we cannot ever be ruled by the barbaric regime they envisage otherwise.

It’s a battle of hearts and minds - not religions, races, geographic regions, or political views.
The battle of “Heart and Mind” when spoken of in historic prophetic works better goes under the name of “Armageddon” of course. Even Israel needs to wake up - Megiddo is on their patch - and first in line should an ISIS invasion of Israel occur, bringing Russian, Chinese, and Coalition forces (east and west from either shore) into the fray.

ISIS need to be stamped on by the civilized world - before they destroy each of the world’s civilizations with their hand-tied-behind-the-back adherence to peace as it does… :frowning:

Blimey Winseer what is the point you’re trying to make.

Firstly the Irish troubles were just about the issue,of pointless resistance to what is already the fact,of a localised ethnic immigrant UK loyalist majority.Of which the religious affiliation of the opposing groups is just a part.Just like the issue in Ukraine.When the Anglo Irish treaty had already sorted out the Irish nationalist question and Irish independence.Nothing more nothing less.Bearing in mind that being a Nationalist also means recognising the rights of self determination of others.

On that note I’m mostly English partly Irish and I despise the federalist ideology of both the UK and the EU.I’m christened into the C of E faith but think that the Catholic denomination has better values like the recognition that life begins at conception not birth with obvious implications regards the abortion question for just one example.Not to mention that C of E is actually anything but being the invention of a murderous partly French adulterer,not that of our Catholic English heritage.I’m also selective in what I believe in the bible thinking that most of it is a mixture of parable or more often outdated bs.The difference being that neither the Catholic Church nor the C of E could care less about my personal religious views nor would they probably have stopped me siding with or being accepted by Collins in the Irish nationalist cause.

Unlike if I’d been born into the Islamic faith and/or chose to reject any part of ot it in any society under Sharia law.Which is the obvious aim of Jihad. :bulb:

As for more integration being the solution.That’s like saying we could have avoided WW2 by trying to integrate the ■■■■ doctrine into civilised society. :open_mouth: :unamused:

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Carryfast:

Winseer:
There’s more risk of “New Old Labour” becoming the ■■■■ Party of Great Britain than there is of the Provo IRA ever achieving their own aims of bringing down the British Establishment.

Their aims are not actually a “United Ireland” - but just an Ireland where Britain no longer stops them from engaging in an official persecution of Protestantism. All the time the UK clings onto Northern Ireland though, this extreme form of Catholicism (rather than Islam this time) is kept in check indefinitely.

Looking at the venom any reasoned argument finds itself when uttered in Corbyn’s Labour company however… I’m fast becoming convinced that an Orwellian future for Britain is the underlying agenda for the faceless and nameless Corbynites that need to really be getting a job and paying taxes rather than wearing masks and pretending to be something else entirely.

Hitler and the ■■■■ party. Corbyn and the Orwellian Party. Already promoting “Newspeak”, already launching vitrolic, over-the-top attacks on (for the moment) our incumbent cabinet ministers…

Well. Let’s here how Her Majesty’s opposition would SOLVE all the problems they are quick to lay at the door of the ruling Conservatives - but not quick to say “how to fix”. Just saying “The other guy is crap and we have all the genius blue-sky thinkers on the left here” is never going to be believed for an instance - let alone “accepted” by any electorate of now or the foreseeable future.

Right now - a rigid crackdown is in order. We’re not at war with Islam, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Spiteful ConSelf-Servatism, or even more spiteful Loony Lefists that are starting to make even Communism look good right now.

We are at war with “Outlaws”. Those that refused to integrate. Those who just want to kill us - because we cannot ever be ruled by the barbaric regime they envisage otherwise.

It’s a battle of hearts and minds - not religions, races, geographic regions, or political views.
The battle of “Heart and Mind” when spoken of in historic prophetic works better goes under the name of “Armageddon” of course. Even Israel needs to wake up - Megiddo is on their patch - and first in line should an ISIS invasion of Israel occur, bringing Russian, Chinese, and Coalition forces (east and west from either shore) into the fray.

ISIS need to be stamped on by the civilized world - before they destroy each of the world’s civilizations with their hand-tied-behind-the-back adherence to peace as it does… :frowning:

Blimey Winseer what is the point you’re trying to make.

Firstly the Irish troubles were just about the issue,of pointless resistance to what is already the fact,of a localised ethnic immigrant UK loyalist majority.Of which the religious affiliation of the opposing groups is just a part.Just like the issue in Ukraine.When the Anglo Irish treaty had already sorted out the Irish nationalist question and Irish independence.Nothing more nothing less.Bearing in mind that being a Nationalist also means recognising the rights of self determination of others.

On that note I’m mostly English partly Irish and I despise the federalist ideology of both the UK and the EU.I’m christened into the C of E faith but think that the Catholic denomination has better values like the recognition that life begins at conception not birth with obvious implications regards the abortion question for just one example.Not to mention that C of E is actually anything but being the invention of a murderous partly French adulterer,not that of our Catholic English heritage.I’m also selective in what I believe in the bible thinking that most of it is a mixture of parable or more often outdated bs.The difference being that neither the Catholic Church nor the C of E could care less about my personal religious views nor would they probably have stopped me siding with or being accepted by Collins in the Irish nationalist cause.

Unlike if I’d been born into the Islamic faith and/or chose to reject any part of ot it in any society under Sharia law.Which is the obvious aim of Jihad. :bulb:

As for more integration being the solution.That’s like saying we could have avoided WW2 by trying to integrate the ■■■■ doctrine into civilised society. :open_mouth: :unamused:

No, what I am getting at here is that the “rest of the world” decided not to do anything about ■■■■ atrocities for nearly a decade after such atrocities began. Not because “no one knew about them” - but because there was no political will in the face of a world-wide depression to actually get off one’s arse and DO something when there was an opportunity to “nip it in the bud” - NOT by “recognizing Nazism” but by "Recognizing that the people swinging behind the Nazis actually wanted Blood from the Bankers. Blood from those stamping Germany into the dust over Treaty of Versailles reparations. Blood for those who’s savings had been wiped out by the Weimar Republic’s resorting to Fiat Money.

Corbyn’s Labour, in my opinion, are closer to forming a latter-day ■■■■ PARTY MACHINE than UKIP, BNP, or any other right-leaning party as it stands. “National Socialist”, if you think about it - must, by definition, have it’s roots from the left of politics rather than the right. The “Right wing” policies would have been more on the National side of course. In theory, the two cannot ride in the same handcart - but Hitler’s leadership made it possible that they did nonetheless. The ■■■■ MACHINE murdered millions, invaded countries, backstabbed Stalin’s Russia, and I now fear that Corbyn’s MACHINE are turning into something very similar in these days where the public cry out for justice against our own rulers in particular. :open_mouth:

The IRA backed the Nazis as well - don’t forget.

As for religion - I’m a CoE Protestant married to an Irish-descended Catholic lass. Our kid is being bought up to be “catholic” with a small ‘c’ as a result. Take the best values from both sides. Mix and match. We’re still married when many of my old schoolmates are on wife number 3 or 4 these days. Even my own brother has gone through two wives. He’s the Atheist in the family btw. Religious values have their uses, but I don’t pertain to organized religion as such. Just stick to those values that speak up for themselves as being self-evident. :bulb:

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there is no god never has been never will be ,the bible is made up of short stories that the speakers corner gang of the day told to entertain the people of the day to gain income/food etc, the church is just an organisation that ruled through fear to rob the poor it doesnt matter what denomination they are all the same , it doesnt matter what you were christened as you were probably to young to make your own choice so that then becomes a sham , you cant be half english and half irish you are one or the other , and finally if you was born into islam then you would be a complete cu*t

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A lot of people are quick to criticise the UK church of England. It usually gets bundled unfairly when an Islamic attack happens “the problem is all religion” is normally a daily mail unthought out response. Mm. No it’s not, it’s one religion. Wars are mostly territorial, not religious. One religion is doing its best to keep up on the scale with some wars.

A lot say they feel these terrorists threaten their values. An interesting statement. A lot of those values come from, you guess it, Christianity. Before Christianity, the UK was a lawless and pretty viscious place with terrible tribalism. A bit similar to some middle eastern countries! If it was left to instinct we’d still be thumping each other over the head with clubs and stealing our neighbour’s food.

A lot our laws are founded on Christinity. Crikey, people can believe or not what they like. It’s a bit short sighted though to kick the hell out of UK Christianity at the same time as piously placing emphasis on “western values”. Those values came from somewhere and it was Christianity, not a bright idea by atheists who decided to put down the clubs and spears and negate instinct, like it or lump it.

It’s bought one good thing, those values, no matter what you believe. So next time you give Christianity a good old atheist kicking into the bargain when Islamic terrorists go on the rampage, just give a nod to the heritage of those values you feel strongly about.

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Winseer:
what I am getting at here is that the “rest of the world” decided not to do anything about ■■■■ atrocities for nearly a decade after such atrocities began. Not because “no one knew about them” - but because there was no political will in the face of a world-wide depression to actually get off one’s arse and DO something when there was an opportunity to “nip it in the bud” - NOT by “recognizing Nazism” but by "Recognizing that the people swinging behind the Nazis actually wanted Blood from the Bankers. Blood from those stamping Germany into the dust over Treaty of Versailles reparations. Blood for those who’s savings had been wiped out by the Weimar Republic’s resorting to Fiat Money.

Corbyn’s Labour, in my opinion, are closer to forming a latter-day ■■■■ PARTY MACHINE than UKIP, BNP, or any other right-leaning party as it stands. “National Socialist”, if you think about it - must, by definition, have it’s roots from the left of politics rather than the right. The “Right wing” policies would have been more on the National side of course. In theory, the two cannot ride in the same handcart - but Hitler’s leadership made it possible that they did nonetheless. The ■■■■ MACHINE murdered millions, invaded countries, backstabbed Stalin’s Russia, and I now fear that Corbyn’s MACHINE are turning into something very similar in these days where the public cry out for justice against our own rulers in particular. :open_mouth:

The IRA backed the Nazis as well - don’t forget.

As for religion - I’m a CoE Protestant married to an Irish-descended Catholic lass. Our kid is being bought up to be “catholic” with a small ‘c’ as a result. Take the best values from both sides. Mix and match. We’re still married when many of my old schoolmates are on wife number 3 or 4 these days. Even my own brother has gone through two wives. He’s the Atheist in the family btw. Religious values have their uses, but I don’t pertain to organized religion as such. Just stick to those values that speak up for themselves as being self-evident. :bulb:

Firstly the word ‘National’ in the title of ■■■■ Party was just a bs made up diversion to hide what was in reality just one part of the wide spectrum of what was Socialism.The idea of associating Socialism with so called ‘left’ ( IE working class struggle ) just being part of the same deception.On that note Socialism isn’t for ‘the workers’ it’s for its own self serving dictatorial aims.As the comparison between the living standards of 1960’s working class Americans v their Chinese and Russian counterparts shows. :bulb:

As for ‘the IRA’ backing the nazis.That’s a wide sweeping generalisation that over looks issues like the threat to the Irish Republic’s neutrality and therefore potential survival ‘if’ Hitler had the slightest doubts about Irish Nationalist feeling in that regard in the inevitable approaching war.Which suggests that,at that point,everyone,including us,like in the case of Edward V111 and most people like my own WW2 generation parents and grand parents at the time,didn’t think much of our chances of winning out v Germany.

As for everyone standing by,instead of ‘nipping’ the rise of Hitler and the nazis ‘in the bud’.The credible argument ( which I believe ) that Chamberlain was playing for time,not appeasement,as late as 1938,because our defences had been weakened by the financial results of WW1,says it all in that regard. :bulb:

As for Corbyn he is a Socialist just like Hitler,Stalin and Mao.So yes it goes without saying that,he is obviously a dangerous individual.The difference being that the Jihadists want to wipe out or enslave us on the basis of their bat zb religion.While the Socialists are all about a more or less equally bat zb political ideology. :bulb:

On that note what’s hindering us now v the Jihadist threat,unlike in the case of ■■■■ Germany or the Cold War,is the idea of ■■■■■ footing around the issue of hitting back.Instead of saying we’ll do whatever it takes including the unfortunate horrible fact that it will inevitably mean killing more of the enemy, both combatant and civilian and even more unfortunately collateral,than they kill of ours.Which would logically have translated as hitting Raqqa with a tactical nuke or two long before now and telling Saudi and Iran to take that as a warning.Which will probably have the win win effect of smoking out the jihadist sleepers and their apologists already here. :bulb:

As opposed to greeting the Jihadist invasion of Europe with a welcome. :unamused:

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Freight Dog:
It’s bought one good thing, those values, no matter what you believe. So next time you give Christianity a good old atheist kicking into the bargain when Islamic terrorists go on the rampage, just give a nod to the heritage of those values you feel strongly about.

^ +1

While the Palestinians still view Israel as their enemy. :unamused:

theguardian.com/world/2015/n … cing-islam

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scrotumscratcher:
there is no god never has been never will be ,the bible is made up of short stories that the speakers corner gang of the day told to entertain the people of the day to gain income/food etc, the church is just an organisation that ruled through fear to rob the poor it doesnt matter what denomination they are all the same , it doesnt matter what you were christened as you were probably to young to make your own choice so that then becomes a sham , you cant be half english and half irish you are one or the other , and finally if you was born into islam then you would be a complete cu*t

Religion is like Life Insurance. If one doesn’t think one is going to die - then, of course you are in a group where - you don’t need it, and you’ll never need it. It’s only everyone else not in this group that does. :smiley: :smiling_imp:

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Winseer:
Religion is like Life Insurance. If one doesn’t think one is going to die - then, of course you are in a group where - you don’t need it, and you’ll never need it. It’s only everyone else not in this group that does. :smiley: :smiling_imp:

It’s a weird type of Life insurance that makes murder and suicide a condition of claims validation.Or that the under writer reserves the right to terminate both the policy and the insured in the event of any breach of the policy conditions listed in the schedule. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp:

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Carryfast:

Winseer:
Religion is like Life Insurance. If one doesn’t think one is going to die - then, of course you are in a group where - you don’t need it, and you’ll never need it. It’s only everyone else not in this group that does. :smiley: :smiling_imp:

It’s a weird type of Life insurance that makes murder and suicide a condition of claims validation.Or that the under writer reserves the right to terminate both the policy and the insured in the event of any breach of the policy conditions listed in the schedule. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp:

Suicide invalidates on both Life insurance and Religious redemption… The underwriter does indeed have the power to terminate - if they feel their underwritten is taking the ■■■■.

“Those who take up the sword will perish by the sword”.
“The greatest Evil is when good men do nothing”.

I would direct the average layman to watch the “Band of Brothers” episode entitled “Why we Fight” which covers both the Christian and Jewish viewpoint on “dealing with Evil”. :bulb:

If those two lines contradict each other - one must remember they were not originally uttered by the same people. :bulb:

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Carryfast:

Freight Dog:
It’s bought one good thing, those values, no matter what you believe. So next time you give Christianity a good old atheist kicking into the bargain when Islamic terrorists go on the rampage, just give a nod to the heritage of those values you feel strongly about.

^ +1

While the Palestinians still view Israel as their enemy. :unamused:

theguardian.com/world/2015/n … cing-islam

Israel considers anyone to be their enemy who wants to merely knock it off their perch for world political control purposes… A tiny little country should perhaps only have a tiny little impact on the wider world. The same thing can be said of Great Britain of course. :stuck_out_tongue:

“Foreign Policy Enforcers” should be the very LAST thing any government in the world “has money for”. :exclamation:

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Winseer:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Religion is like Life Insurance. If one doesn’t think one is going to die - then, of course you are in a group where - you don’t need it, and you’ll never need it. It’s only everyone else not in this group that does. :smiley: :smiling_imp:

It’s a weird type of Life insurance that makes murder and suicide a condition of claims validation.Or that the under writer reserves the right to terminate both the policy and the insured in the event of any breach of the policy conditions listed in the schedule. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp:

Suicide invalidates on both Life insurance and Religious redemption… The underwriter does indeed have the power to terminate - if they feel their underwritten is taking the ■■■■.

“Those who take up the sword will perish by the sword”.
“The greatest Evil is when good men do nothing”.

I would direct the average layman to watch the “Band of Brothers” episode entitled “Why we Fight” which covers both the Christian and Jewish viewpoint on “dealing with Evil”. :bulb:

If those two lines contradict each other - one must remember they were not originally uttered by the same people. :bulb:

Suicide is obviously often required to validate the ‘policy’ in the case of Jihad.

Those two lines are perfectly consistent with each other in the case of the sword in the hands of the good being used against the sword in the hands of the evil. :bulb:

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Winseer:

Carryfast:

Freight Dog:
It’s bought one good thing, those values, no matter what you believe. So next time you give Christianity a good old atheist kicking into the bargain when Islamic terrorists go on the rampage, just give a nod to the heritage of those values you feel strongly about.

^ +1

While the Palestinians still view Israel as their enemy. :unamused:

theguardian.com/world/2015/n … cing-islam

Israel considers anyone to be their enemy who wants to merely knock it off their perch for world political control purposes… A tiny little country should perhaps only have a tiny little impact on the wider world. The same thing can be said of Great Britain of course. :stuck_out_tongue:

“Foreign Policy Enforcers” should be the very LAST thing any government in the world “has money for”. :exclamation:

I’ve never had any reason to think that Israel wants to ‘control’ me or anyone else.While I do have good reason to think that its neighbours in the region are mostly a bunch of racist nutters who want to massacre its population and control everyone else in the cause of Jihad.In which case everything Israel’s government does,in terms of ‘foreign policy’,rightly has to take that fact into account.IE its time to realise that Israel is our friend and ally in this case. :unamused:

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Banking and businesspeople. Politicians and their backers. The masses strangely never being able to make any headway against those with the pursestrings, no matter how wrong they seemingly are, and no matter how right the masses or individuals among them seemingly are.

THAT is the extent that the average working class male is controlled from far away.
That America sees the “British Empire” as some past “villain of history” rather than it’s own parent - is one aspect in which the whole world has it’s view of history tilted by Zionism and Constable USA acting on it’s behalf around the world. When an American says “Tyranny” - Many picture a Brit in a redcoat. When we hear “Tyranny” on the other hand - we see nothing more than a tax-evading turncoat.
It’s all about making or not making the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes.
The wealthy see their fair share as as near 0% as possible at all times.
They don’t give a hoot who else goes without, as the ethic is “What God wants from us, he keeps.”
Even Christ saying “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. and unto God what is God’s” was considered highly anti-establishment. The very notion that the powers, the wealthy, and the well-connected SHOULD pay fair and square taxation! :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

So waddya get in this day and age?

“Christ was a socialist” - Wot? Because he backed up taxation of the wealthy?

One doesn’t have to be in favour of flooding the masses with “benefits” paid for BY full taxation of the wealthy!
Wot’s wrong with Raising money, spending it in the economy on actual works that get everyone into a well-paid job over time, and then keeping taxation at a constant level for decades - thus firmly entrenching that stability?

They’ve all got it wrong, the three main parties:

Tories should be taxing the wealthy at the actual current tax rates - 20% to 45% and NOT 20% for the low-paid PAYE, and 12-18% for the 45%er who’s offset it down to the teens level…

LibDems should stop pandering to minority rather than middle-of-the-road interests.

Labour should stop showering unearned wealth on unproductive people. Benefits should go as far as the actual sick and disabled - but stop short of supplying the workshy with more income than a £22k full timer gets.

This could ALL be brought into line by scrapping expenses for everyone, scrapping JSA outright, and increasing and taxing tax credits.

To encourage employers to make contracts with a Godly number of hours in them - Make overtime (hours beyond one’s contract) taxable at a lower rate… Or doesn’t anyone think someone earning £50k for working 40 hours basic plus 20 hours overtime should get to take home more than Joe Rep who grosses £50k, and offsets most all away on expenses, and takes home £44k…?

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Winseer:
Banking and businesspeople. Politicians and their backers. The masses strangely never being able to make any headway against those with the pursestrings, no matter how wrong they seemingly are, and no matter how right the masses or individuals among them seemingly are.

THAT is the extent that the average working class male is controlled from far away.
That America sees the “British Empire” as some past “villain of history” rather than it’s own parent - is one aspect in which the whole world has it’s view of history tilted by Zionism and Constable USA acting on it’s behalf around the world.

That makes no sense to me.As I said so called accusations of ‘‘Zionist’’ ( Jewish ) control of the world’s economies was always a diversionary tactic of the Socialist ideology wether it be Marx,Stalin or Hitler.Which was also put into the heads of the already racist anti Jewish agenda,of the Islamic world,and which was therefore all too eager to accept it.Together with the weapons also supplied to them as part of the deal with the intention of wiping the Jewish population off the map in its homeland of Israel.

As for the Capitalist system if it ain’t the Fordist version then it ain’t Capitalism.While assuming you’ve got Fordism everything else then falls into place including the ability to afford to pay taxes.

However assuming you’ve got the non Fordist version then you’ve got a form of Tyranny.Wether it be the Georgian to 1930’s British version of Capitalism or that of today which has sold out to the exploitative system of Socialism/Communism.The former being part of the tyranny which you seem to be describing which resulted in ‘issues’ like the Peterloo massacre here or the American War of Independence before it.Or for that matter ironically the pre Fordist system which led to the similar virtual industrial/economic strife and war zone of early 20th century America and for that matter 1920’s Germany…

The relevant bit being that none of that has the slightest connection to,or justifies,what is just the racist persecution,suffered by the ethnic Jewish group,by the combination of Socialism and/or Islam.Or for that matter why the Jihadists have also now decided to also turn their wrath on us in addition to the Jews. :bulb: :unamused:

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Carryfast:

Freight Dog:
It’s bought one good thing, those values, no matter what you believe. So next time you give Christianity a good old atheist kicking into the bargain when Islamic terrorists go on the rampage, just give a nod to the heritage of those values you feel strongly about.

^ +1

While the Palestinians still view Israel as their enemy. :unamused:

theguardian.com/world/2015/n … cing-islam

Read the link. Yep that’s standard. I had a complete belly full of it during my time there. I spent my time ferrying the poor brainwashed and impoverished souls on their journey to that place from many lands. 500 of them at a time. Oh yes. I remember my time there well. The poverty, the sick and dying on the aircraft subsidized by states of that religion to keep the numbers high. My work colleagues who were sentenced to lashes because they were deemed to be drunk as passengers. That they were deemed to be drunk in London but the crew closed the doors and flew them to that place so they could be arrested under local law, ah justice, not kidnapping of course. I remember mixed nicely between adverts in the paper to buy a Mercedes the beheadings, the amputations in tiny small print. The woman who was raped and then stoned because it was deemed that by her ■■■■■■ she’d had extra marital affairs. Oh yes I remember my time well.

Meanwhile back in the UK I have to hold my mouth whilst liberal ■■■■■■■■■ tell me what I should or shouldn’t feel about that ‘club’ and label people like me for showing dissent. Whist they’ve no bloody clue. Oh yes I remember it all. Then we’d see the tens of thousands, many from the UK no less, flock to pay homage and worship to this place, the place of bloodspill and stoning. And meanwhile back in the UK an advert is banned by ODEON cinemas because it shows the Lord’s Prayer, and that might offend some people of other faith, even atheists! Being offended is a sport it seems! It’s natural of course, they’re not offended by a woman being stoned to death on their journey to that land but they’re damned sure they’re be offended by an advert whist munching on popcorn. Naturally, of course they would be.

But then, I’m “one of them”. One of those distastefuls. Something that doesn’t fit with the U.K. enlightened “read all about it, never seen it, but dictate to others what they should feel” UK liberal view.

Yes I remember my time there well.

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Freight Dog:
And meanwhile back in the UK an advert is banned by ODEON cinemas because it shows the Lord’s Prayer, and that might offend some people of other faith, even atheists! Being offended is a sport it seems! It’s natural of course, they’re not offended by a woman being stoned to death on their journey to that land but they’re damned sure they’re be offended by an advert whist munching on popcorn. Naturally, of course they would be.

It seems like an agenda within an agenda.In this case as usual and as expected the atheistic socialist agenda making exceptions when it sees an advantage in being selective in its condemnation of religious freedom. :bulb:

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James the cat:

tommy t:
So the frogs are bombing Syria and the tories are wanting to join them, and waste some more money, as isis won’t be in syria waiting for the bombs to drop, they will already be here or in the EU so apart from it making the politicians feel better it will solve nothing

Exactly. Solve nothing and que a great big excuse to put us next on the [zb] list. We won’t solve ISIS in Syria. That ship sailed.

Instead we should be concentrating on spending our money on our home defence, policing, Allowing the SAS, Paras and SBS to be financed up, training and ready for deployment in security on home shores. Throw more money and resources to MI5 and SIS and taking immediate action on our week leak in our fence, citing the attacks as course for emergency measures and shutting our border, allowing visa’d processed entry only. This could be temporary but in light of the attacks and clear risk mention by Teresa May and MI5 I think we’d be justified. What more excuse do they need. Not spending these valuable funds, our funds, on a waste of time and resources overseas that won’t fix anything whilst the threat is extremely high at home.

Well going off BBC news looks like Dave read my above post on trucknet. Dave you missed the bit about border control though. PM me for details.

I might post my Dear Santa list on here too incase the big bearded man is reading trucknet.