So Snowy, which are you? 
Bluey Circles:
You will find those threads on the cycling forums, the likes of Traffic Droid are widely condemned, the consensus of opinion is they probably do far more harm than good.
In fact you would probably be surprised at what a hard time cyclist who post videos on cycling forums of their misadventures are given, so much so they are rarely posted now. The first rule seems to be every aspect of the rider who’s video it is has to be examined in great detail, after this is done it usually becomes pretty obvious if the rider had had more skill then the incident would never of occurred, and as for those who have numerous videos of numerous incidents, well they are just laughed at. The cycling community is every bit as critical of themselves as the good people of Trucknet are of other wagon drivers.
How does the cycling fraternity square away using the public highways as its own private racing tracks?
You know, those one hundred foot long hordes of ignorant men dressed as giant arrogant condoms writhing around refusing to yield with their “marshallers” who illegally instruct traffic and put up pompous unofficial signs?
I can’t see any other element of society that uses the highway so widely to race outside the law and with such selfish and self righteous disregard. Marathons, roads legally closed with police and highways authority. The same with car races.
Yet, the salt into the wound, the crowning brown turd in the water pipe, the most self righteous and arrogant of all - these cokwits have a cult like community ignominy to film motorists and lecture them. And they’re all for bleating when one of the idiots gets squashed. Ah but no, signs on lorises warning to stay back are a curse against Lycra man’s freedom! Run that red light Horatio.
I’ve a friend who is a high level completion cyclist, a very clever bloke when it comes to law, and down the pub he admitted that what the cycling fraternity tries with racing on the roads varies from borderline legal to down right illegal. He says he winces when some of them get in their wheeled high horse.
The-Snowman:
More than likely they thought “Hmm, that signs a bit big, noticeable and easy to read. No way we can have that allowed. How do we apportion blame when they can point to the sticker and say we shouldnt have been undercutting on the inside? We must make the sign less easy to see. And reworded so it doesnt look like an order. Its not up to us to stay out of hamrs way if we dont want to. Its the drivers responsibilty to make sure we are safe”Either that or they thought “what can we moan about now?”
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Evil8Beezle:
So Snowy, which are you?
It’s called glass reality
Bluey Circles:
Not my argument!; but I believe the worry amongst some cyclists is that some drives may attach a warning sign on the rear of their trucks in some belief it will absolve them from any responsibly towards those who may foolishly go up the inside, the warning signs will have little benefit if the person driving believes they no longer have a duty of care towards anyone who squeezes up the near side.
To which Snowman rather neatly summed up the reality of this. Cyclist don’t take responsibility for naff all themselves. It’s all someone else’s fault - cry babies on the smaller vehicle. What a crappy excuse to use for a grown man or woman.
Like toddlers, they want someone else to carry the can whilst they monkey about doing what they want on the highway, with road racing, general arrogant road rage (not thinking of safety then are you when you pedal over to lecture that women in the opposite lane?) and disregard for road law. Always a very tenuous excuse for all their habits and actions.
James the cat:
How does the cycling fraternity square away using the public highways as its own private racing tracks?
Mixed - many like me feel it is wrong. You need to appreciate there is not a single uniformed cyclist opinion on about anything, some of the most argumentative people I have ever met are cyclists, it is a very broad community from all walks of life, people who you would appreciate and call as friends to utter pedantic tw4ts that you would be happy to see parachuted into IS controlled territory
The-Snowman:
More than likely they thought “Hmm, that signs a bit big, noticeable and easy to read. No way we can have that allowed. How do we apportion blame when they can point to the sticker and say we shouldnt have been undercutting on the inside? We must make the sign less easy to see. And reworded so it doesnt look like an order. Its not up to us to stay out of hamrs way if we dont want to. Its the drivers responsibilty to make sure we are safe”Either that or they thought “what can we moan about now?”
How would you feel if car and van drivers placed large signs on the back of their vehicles stating “HGVs must not overtake this vehicle” then in the event of any accident with an overtaking truck claim the lorry driver had ignored the warning sign. Imaging if those signs became so common that public opinion then changed to it is illegal for lorries to overtake cars and vans.
They already have similar such notices on parts of the A1m and A42 restricting hgv movement into the outside lane at various times of the day.
I prefer the < undertaker overtaker > stickers. I believe FORS and other lentil munching yoghurt knitting groups aren’t too happy about them, however.
blueycircles:
The-Snowman:
More than likely they thought “Hmm, that signs a bit big, noticeable and easy to read. No way we can have that allowed. How do we apportion blame when they can point to the sticker and say we shouldnt have been undercutting on the inside? We must make the sign less easy to see. And reworded so it doesnt look like an order. Its not up to us to stay out of hamrs way if we dont want to. Its the drivers responsibilty to make sure we are safe”Either that or they thought “what can we moan about now?”
How would you feel if car and van drivers placed large signs on the back of their vehicles stating “HGVs must not overtake this vehicle” then in the event of any accident with an overtaking truck claim the lorry driver had ignored the warning sign. Imaging if those signs became so common that public opinion then changed to it is illegal for lorries to overtake cars and vans.
Do I really need to explain the difference between a warning sign there for the very good reason of someones protection and warning of the dangers to a sign simply placing a blanket ban on overtaking? Or the difference between telling the most vulnerable road users NOT to shoot up the inside of an hgv is different to one vehicle overtaking another? Seriously?
I credited you with more sense, intelligence and open mindedness than that bluey
Evil8Beezle:
So Snowy, which are you?
Im a “better top these up just for fear” type
Evil8Beezle:
Would have been nice if the article stated exactly what the complaints from the cycling pressure group were, as the mind boggles!
From what I can make out from the article, they don’t like being toldwhat to do, they should be asked nicely.
Fat Controller:
Evil8Beezle:
Would have been nice if the article stated exactly what the complaints from the cycling pressure group were, as the mind boggles!From what I can make out from the article, they don’t like being told what to do, they should be asked nicely.
The cynic in me thinks it’s likely their solicitors idea, so that when the cyclist is wheeled in to court to claim, the case will be stronger. 
How about I get a sign made up that reads,
“If you pass me on my left hand side you are putting YOUR life in MY hands.”
In fact I’d prefer that, it would imply that people that did, were idiots of their own volition…
Has any cyclist actually complained about these signs? Or more likely is it someone with a non job who has complained on their behalf?
the maoster:
Has any cyclist actually complained about these signs? Or more likely is it someone with a non job who has complained on their behalf?
I’ve seen Cyclists on Twitter complaining about them, they say it is “victim blaming”
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I asked my TM about FORs, he laughed. He said it was about as useful as a chocolate teapot, or words to that effect.
FORS will eventually go the same way as the much vaunted BS5750 from the mid 80’s.
Radar19:
I asked my TM about FORs, he laughed. He said it was about as useful as a chocolate teapot, or words to that effect.
As my boss’ Dad says about bling, courses etc “they don’t carry another half a tonne though do they?”
the maoster:
FORS will eventually go the same way as the much vaunted BS5750 from the mid 80’s.
Wasn’t that basically just superseded by ISO9000?
Evil8Beezle:
the maoster:
FORS will eventually go the same way as the much vaunted BS5750 from the mid 80’s.Wasn’t that basically just superseded by ISO9000?
Not too sure tbh mate. I just know at the time that is was the new best thing ever in transport my gaffer just said bollox to it and refused to jump through the hoops. Didn’t affect his business one iota.