muckles:
I didn’t necessarily mean UKIP, although surely for all his common man in the pub routine, Farage is anything but, I was more thinking along the lines of some of the groups in Europe
You might have missed it but Farage is no longer anything to do with UKIP.Batten is the relevant reference for its leadership and direction.
As for Brexit it’s obvious that we have to get proper no deal Brexit first before we can have the argument as to what type of independent free sovereign country we want.In which case a Hoey led Labour and Batten led UKIP coalition would be the way to go and a lot better than the establishment LabLibDemCon EU puppet regime status quo.
hkloss1:
A Brexiteer leming called Rees Mogg
dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti … ctics.html
Rees-Mogg speaks of the democratic will of the people in one breath and then of the need for the Royal prerogative in the next.
How does one describe someone who can hold two contrary ideas at the same time?
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Franglais:
hkloss1:
A Brexiteer leming called Rees Mogg
dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti … ctics.html
Rees-Mogg speaks of the democratic will of the people in one breath and then of the need for the Royal prerogative in the next.
How does one describe someone who can hold two contrary ideas at the same time?
The Queen is the relevant power regarding matters of state and sovereignty.The idea of a bunch of Soviet style nutters thinking that they can vote a recognised nation state out of existence and into the illegal unrecognised de Jure EU Federal superstate is how wars start without a decent head of state prepared to do and uphold her role.
Franglais:
hkloss1:
A Brexiteer leming called Rees Mogg
dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti … ctics.html
Rees-Mogg speaks of the democratic will of the people in one breath and then of the need for the Royal prerogative in the next.
How does one describe someone who can hold two contrary ideas at the same time?
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a woman… 
dieseldog999:
Franglais:
hkloss1:
A Brexiteer leming called Rees Mogg
dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti … ctics.html
Rees-Mogg speaks of the democratic will of the people in one breath and then of the need for the Royal prerogative in the next.
How does one describe someone who can hold two contrary ideas at the same time?
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a woman…
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Look out !
At least one of the mods will have you in her sights for that.
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Every man and his flea ridden mutt, that voted to remain, has bleated on about it being unfair, undemocratic, a public disgrace, the end of Britain, they need to sit down stfu and accept that a vote was taken and the majority won, that’s democracy, plain and simple, yes they have a view and opinion but that won’t change the outcome, perhaps future general election results can follow the remainers example of democracy and the losing party can protest the result.
Although I wouldn’t p1ss on Cameron if he was on fire, ( I’ve never voted Tory or Labour ) he went about things the wrong way, spitting his dummy out and throwing his limbless teddy in the corner because it didn’t go his way was perhaps the biggest public display of political childness the country has witnessed. He should have stayed the course and passed on the Brexit negotiations to BoJo and Farage, instead we were given a headless chicken remainer to take on the task of running the country and negotiate Brexit.
Rebel MP’s who refuse to back Brexit plans and force May to renegotiate should be replaced by ministers that do back Brexit.
MP’s state they have the best interest of the people first and foremost, but as we all know as soon as an MP opens their mouth, lies spill out.
Grumpy Dad:
Every man and his flea ridden mutt, that voted to remain, has bleated on about it being unfair, undemocratic, a public disgrace, the end of Britain, they need to sit down stfu and accept that a vote was taken and the majority won, that’s democracy, plain and simple, yes they have a view and opinion but that won’t change the outcome, perhaps future general election results can follow the remainers example of democracy and the losing party can protest the result.
Although I wouldn’t p1ss on Cameron if he was on fire, ( I’ve never voted Tory or Labour ) he went about things the wrong way, spitting his dummy out and throwing his limbless teddy in the corner because it didn’t go his way was perhaps the biggest public display of political childness the country has witnessed. He should have stayed the course and passed on the Brexit negotiations to BoJo and Farage, instead we were given a headless chicken remainer to take on the task of running the country and negotiate Brexit.
Rebel MP’s who refuse to back Brexit plans and force May to renegotiate should be replaced by ministers that do back Brexit.
MP’s state they have the best interest of the people first and foremost, but as we all know as soon as an MP opens their mouth, lies spill out.
Politicians lie? Really? Weren’t we promised that the results of the referendum were to be respected? Weren’t we told that no deal is better than a bad deal? Brexit means Brexit and we will leave on the 29th March 2019 were also famous statements made by our glorious leaders. Regardless of your side in this argument, we have all learnt that politicians cant be trusted and hold us lot in utter contempt.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
hkloss1:
A Brexiteer leming called Rees Mogg
dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti … ctics.html
Rees-Mogg speaks of the democratic will of the people in one breath and then of the need for the Royal prerogative in the next.
How does one describe someone who can hold two contrary ideas at the same time?
The Queen is the relevant power regarding matters of state and sovereignty.The idea of a bunch of Soviet style nutters thinking that they can vote a recognised nation state out of existence and into the illegal unrecognised de Jure EU Federal superstate is how wars start without a decent head of state prepared to do and uphold her role.
The Queen is the relevant power?
This just gets sillier and sillier.
Have I missed a joke here?
dexxyy:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
hkloss1:
A Brexiteer leming called Rees Mogg
dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti … ctics.html
Rees-Mogg speaks of the democratic will of the people in one breath and then of the need for the Royal prerogative in the next.
How does one describe someone who can hold two contrary ideas at the same time?
The Queen is the relevant power regarding matters of state and sovereignty.The idea of a bunch of Soviet style nutters thinking that they can vote a recognised nation state out of existence and into the illegal unrecognised de Jure EU Federal superstate is how wars start without a decent head of state prepared to do and uphold her role.
The Queen is the relevant power?
This just gets sillier and sillier.
Have I missed a joke here?
And this is why the country is in the state it’s in 
. Before making statements maybe a look back at political decisions that changed Britain without consent or knowledge to the public, like signing over Sovereignty by the Labour Party in 2004 and we wouldn’t be given a say until 2006 ( still waiting for that to happen then ).
dexxyy:
Carryfast:
The Queen is the relevant power regarding matters of state and sovereignty.The idea of a bunch of Soviet style nutters thinking that they can vote a recognised nation state out of existence and into the illegal unrecognised de Jure EU Federal superstate is how wars start without a decent head of state prepared to do and uphold her role.
The Queen is the relevant power?
This just gets sillier and sillier.
Have I missed a joke here?
Maybe you missed the reference to matters of state and sovereignty.Not much point in having a head of state,who the armed forces owe allegiance to’,if that head of state has no powers and people like Blair can order the surrender of the country to a foreign illegal power like the EU.
Carryfast:
dexxyy:
Carryfast:
The Queen is the relevant power regarding matters of state and sovereignty.The idea of a bunch of Soviet style nutters thinking that they can vote a recognised nation state out of existence and into the illegal unrecognised de Jure EU Federal superstate is how wars start without a decent head of state prepared to do and uphold her role.
The Queen is the relevant power?
This just gets sillier and sillier.
Have I missed a joke here?
Maybe you missed the reference to matters of state and sovereignty.Not much point in having a head of state,who the armed forces owe allegiance to’,if that head of state has no powers and people like Blair can order the surrender of the country to a foreign illegal power like the EU.
Well, well. The Queen’s in charge, and the EU is a ‘foreign illegal power’. Who knew?
dexxy57:
Well, well. The Queen’s in charge, and the EU is a ‘foreign illegal power’. Who knew?
Anyone who swears the oath of allegiance to the Queen not the EU President,Commission and Parliament as part of HM Forces.
Or for that matter anyone who wants to push the question,as to the legality of a self appointed,not even De Jure,let alone de Facto internationally recognised,Federal State,swaggering around on the world stage imposing borders in its own right and making pan European laws through its equally invalid ‘government’ as part of that.
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Well, well. The Queen’s in charge, and the EU is a ‘foreign illegal power’. Who knew?
Anyone who swears the oath of allegiance to the Queen not the EU President,Commission and Parliament as part of HM Forces.
Or for that matter anyone who wants to push the question,as to the legality of a self appointed,not even De Jure,let alone de Facto internationally recognised,Federal State,swaggering around on the world stage imposing borders in its own right and making pan European laws through its equally invalid ‘government’ as part of that.
Ok, calm down. Take a deep breath . . . What, exactly, are you on about?
Your post makes no sense. The EU is not a Federal State, it’s an Economic Bloc of 28 Sovereign Nations.
dexxy57:
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Well, well. The Queen’s in charge, and the EU is a ‘foreign illegal power’. Who knew?
Anyone who swears the oath of allegiance to the Queen not the EU President,Commission and Parliament as part of HM Forces.
Or for that matter anyone who wants to push the question,as to the legality of a self appointed,not even De Jure,let alone de Facto internationally recognised,Federal State,swaggering around on the world stage imposing borders in its own right and making pan European laws through its equally invalid ‘government’ as part of that.
Ok, calm down. Take a deep breath . . . What, exactly, are you on about?
Your post makes no sense. The EU is not a Federal State, it’s an Economic Bloc of 28 Sovereign Nations.
So now suddenly it’s only supposed to be a common market just like we joined in 1973.Which itself was just a scam in Germany’s interests with trade figures to prove it.
Yeah right 28 sovereign nations.Which just happen to impose a Common Fisheries policy,ECJ,ECHR,EU Parliament subject to QMV,EU Commission,EU Presidency and the stinking EU flag and an anthem and a clear constitution laid out in the Lisbon treaty.In which case what are the EU and remainers arguing about when we say we just want access to the single market with no interference from the supposed non EU Federal government.Or for that matter how does a supposed trading arrangement declare state borders.
dexxy57:
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Well, well. The Queen’s in charge, and the EU is a ‘foreign illegal power’. Who knew?
Anyone who swears the oath of allegiance to the Queen not the EU President,Commission and Parliament as part of HM Forces.
Or for that matter anyone who wants to push the question,as to the legality of a self appointed,not even De Jure,let alone de Facto internationally recognised,Federal State,swaggering around on the world stage imposing borders in its own right and making pan European laws through its equally invalid ‘government’ as part of that.
Ok, calm down. Take a deep breath . . . What, exactly, are you on about?
Your post makes no sense. The EU is not a Federal State, it’s an Economic Bloc of 28 Sovereign Nations.
With the aim of becoming a Federal State read the aims of the founding members written back when the economic trading block was started
Mazzer2:
dexxy57:
The EU is not a Federal State, it’s an Economic Bloc of 28 Sovereign Nations.
With the aim of becoming a Federal State read the aims of the founding members written back when the economic trading block was started
The fact that laws which are binding on all member states are made by the EU commission and the ECJ and which are passed through the EU parliament by QMV ,with no right of national opt out or substitution and the EU claims state borders in its own right,show that it is already a Federal state.
An economic bloc of sovereign states would mean that there would be no need for Brexit because every state would have the power of opt out and substitution over all EU legislation and agreements including immigration and even free trade which is damaging to the economy and in no one’s interets.IE a Confederal Europe made up of sovereign states not a Federal State.
As described by the AfD leader here at 4.15 - 5.18.Which is where UKIP should have concentrated its efforts.
youtube.com/watch?v=CNh3312dTtA
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Well, well. The Queen’s in charge, and the EU is a ‘foreign illegal power’. Who knew?
Anyone who swears the oath of allegiance to the Queen not the EU President,Commission and Parliament as part of HM Forces.
Or for that matter anyone who wants to push the question,as to the legality of a self appointed,not even De Jure,let alone de Facto internationally recognised,Federal State,swaggering around on the world stage imposing borders in its own right and making pan European laws through its equally invalid ‘government’ as part of that.
Ok, calm down. Take a deep breath . . . What, exactly, are you on about?
Your post makes no sense. The EU is not a Federal State, it’s an Economic Bloc of 28 Sovereign Nations.
So now suddenly it’s only supposed to be a common market just like we joined in 1973.Which itself was just a scam in Germany’s interests with trade figures to prove it.
Yeah right 28 sovereign nations.Which just happen to impose a Common Fisheries policy,ECJ,ECHR,EU Parliament subject to QMV,EU Commission,EU Presidency and the stinking EU flag and an anthem and a clear constitution laid out in the Lisbon treaty.In which case what are the EU and remainers arguing about when we say we just want access to the single market with no interference from the supposed non EU Federal government.Or for that matter how does a supposed trading arrangement declare state borders.
Ok, whatever you say. It’s a Federal State (sigh).
dexxy57:
Ok, whatever you say. It’s a Federal State (sigh).
No it’s a wannabee self appointed un declared de Jure so invalid and illegal,Federal State.Which uses the corrupt lie that it’s supposedly a Confederation of Sovereign States to keep the sheep,who are being clandestinely assimilated under its rule,in order.There’s a difference.Bearing in mind that at best most if not all Federations go the way of the Austro Hungarian Empire,Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union when the sheep suddenly realise what’s happened/happening to their countries and want them back.
Carryfast:
dexxy57:
Ok, whatever you say. It’s a Federal State (sigh).
No it’s a wannabee self appointed un declared de Jure so invalid and illegal,Federal State.Which uses the corrupt lie that it’s supposedly a Confederation of Sovereign States to keep the sheep,who are being clandestinely assimilated under its rule,in order.There’s a difference.Bearing in mind that at best most if not all Federations go the way of the Austro Hungarian Empire,Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union when the sheep suddenly realise what’s happened/happening to their countries and want them back.
You missed out the British Empire. Does that count?