I’ve been given a safe systems of work handout. Apparently I’m not allowed to leave keys in the ignition when out of the cab. How do you use a hi ab without the engine running?
happysack:
I’ve been given a safe systems of work handout. Apparently I’m not allowed to leave keys in the ignition when out of the cab. How do you use a hi ab without the engine running?
Looks like it’s all block and tackle for you now 
Let’s forget the driver’s reaction and return to the problem.
The company(ies) has experienced many instances of the vehicle refusing to start because the tail lift has drained the battery. They have decided that it is expensive and time consuming to require assistance from fitters, so they have installed this battery guard device. Now their H&S department has issued strict instructions that drivers must not climb/jump from the tail lift and no-one other than the driver may enter the cab to start the engine.
So fix the cause not the problem, and reconfigure the system so that the tail lift can be lowered but not raised if battery power drops below the set voltage. But that costs money and admits that someone at senior management level dropped a bollock.
Could they not just fit an override button in the trailer?
Drift:
Has anyone thought, the driver could have been 28 stone and may have damaged the pavement of the store when he landed so he needed the firemen to provide a big air bag to land on… I honestly thought this thread was a wind up,
I wish it was, the individual in question was physically able to get down from the trailer and has a string of such scenarios to their name, each one being more pathetic from the one before, the question is how will they top this one, the latest tale to reach me is this clowns understudy has been suffering with an ear infection lately as he got out from his cab one of the store staff was dragging a metal bin across the yard making a mighty racket.
This resulted in a trip to the local A&E for a check up, I need to verify the story but I would’nt be surprised one little bit.
Drift:
happysack:
I’ve been given a safe systems of work handout. Apparently I’m not allowed to leave keys in the ignition when out of the cab. How do you use a hi ab without the engine running?Looks like it’s all block and tackle for you now
Handball
Theres no way a noise can cause an infection. Yet again, your colleagues costing the taxpayer money and wasting a resource/funds (NHS) that could be used elsewhere.
Mike68 - can you confirm how the fire brigade sorted the tail lift issue? Did they start the truck, use a ladder or just let the big girls blouse jump off onto an inflatable crash mat.
Cav551 - They should let the battery run out then have to pay for a private firm to come and jump the truck at a cost of £70-£100 a time. They’re a private business and shouldn’t be using a public service to cover their shortcomings as an employer. If the truck doesn’t have enough power in its batteries to operate the tail lift 18? Times (45 cages, 3 at a time = 9 times to unload and 9 times to reload) then it has something wrong with it and should be looked at.
m1cks:
Theres no way a noise can cause an infection. Yet again, your colleagues costing the taxpayer money and wasting a resource/funds (NHS) that could be used elsewhere.Mike68 - can you confirm how the fire brigade sorted the tail lift issue? Did they start the truck, use a ladder or just let the big girls blouse jump off onto an inflatable crash mat.
Cav551 - They should let the battery run out then have to pay for a private firm to come and jump the truck at a cost of £70-£100 a time. They’re a private business and shouldn’t be using a public service to cover their shortcomings as an employer. If the truck doesn’t have enough power in its batteries to operate the tail lift 18? Times (45 cages, 3 at a time = 9 times to unload and 9 times to reload) then it has something wrong with it and should be looked at.
You need to be involved in non profit transport to see these excuses for drivers in action it does not happen in the real world, RE the tail lift caper, I’m not aware of the detail all I know is the fire service were in attendance, the trip to A&E for damaged hearing T.B.C.
We are talking about someone who takes 4 hours to tip a decker which ended with another pair of flat batteries a £120 hotel room and a taxi to and from the truck and when they finally arrived back at the depot mid morning the next day refusing a load and going home.
Drift:
Could they not just fit an override button in the trailer?
Problem with override buttons is that drivers will use them “to get the job done” and then you’re back to Square One in very short order.
Why don’t trailers (or the tail lifts on rigids) have their own battery and charging circuitry instead of relying on the main starting batteries?
As an alternative, why not use a similar set-up to emergency vehicles which can be left with engine running (but cannot be driven) without keys in the ignition? Drivers can take the keys out and lock the cab for security while still having power for lifts, hydraulics, hi-abs etc.
Drift:
Has anyone thought, the driver could have been 28 stone and may have damaged the pavement of the store when he landed so he needed the firemen to provide a big air bag to land on… I honestly thought this thread was a wind up,
I honestly think a good proportion of these threads are windups,sadly,and embarrassingly for the posters,the appear to be genuine. 
m1cks:
Theres no way a noise can cause an infection. Yet again, your colleagues costing the taxpayer money and wasting a resource/funds (NHS) that could be used elsewhere.Mike68 - can you confirm how the fire brigade sorted the tail lift issue? Did they start the truck, use a ladder or just let the big girls blouse jump off onto an inflatable crash mat.
Cav551 - They should let the battery run out then have to pay for a private firm to come and jump the truck at a cost of £70-£100 a time. They’re a private business and shouldn’t be using a public service to cover their shortcomings as an employer. If the truck doesn’t have enough power in its batteries to operate the tail lift 18? Times (45 cages, 3 at a time = 9 times to unload and 9 times to reload) then it has something wrong with it and should be looked at.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…you must only put a maximum of 2 cages at a time on the back of a Tosco tail lift.( at least in Belfast anyway) EVEN IF THEY ONLY HAVE 1 SMALL BOX IN THEM,OR EMPTY).it would be a debrief,and a murder enquirey when one of your fellow jobsworths dobs you in whether driver,or store manager.(most of the back store staff are at ■■■■■■ level,so they wouldn’t know either.)
HERES THE RULES A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS THERE.
YOU MUST NOT
enter the yard if theres anyone walking about in the yard.just wait outside till someone comes and asks why your not coming in to unload.
reverse onto a unloading bay if the door is open
allow anyone into the trailer to help you drag a heavy cage etc unless they have full ppp gear on,as if they hurt themselves,then you could be liable for letting them into the trailer.( the fact the store manager lets them unload trucks with trainers on somewhat escapes me)
…a company operated and run by fannies,for fannies.they work on the principal of ,break the job down so that any ■■■■■■ is capable of doing it instead of,why not employ competent hands on workers.
Adopting a common sense approach may be a key objective 
Using a `run-lock system ’ is fine in certain circumstances, ie : response vehicles/emergency vehicles,
other than that, there are highway code and Law CUR reg’s 98 & 107 issues & Environment issues, as well as noise disturbance during nightime.
The Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) Regulations 2002
The Road Traffic Act
Leaving your vehicle unattended whilst the engine is running is known as “Quitting” and is an offence against S42 of the RTA 1988.
It is dealt with by Regulation 107(1) of The Road Vehicles (Constriction and Use) Regulation 1986.
Regulation 107(2)(a). This states that no person shall cause or permit to be on any road any motor vehicle which is not attended by a person duly licensed to drive it unless the engine is stopped and the parking brake is effectively set.
Apologies for the copy and paste 
gov.uk/general-rules-all-dr … 117-to-126
The Driver and the Environment
123
You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road. Generally, if the vehicle is stationary and is likely to remain so for more than a couple of minutes, you should apply the parking brake and switch off the engine to reduce emissions and noise pollution. However it is permissible to leave the engine running if the vehicle is stationary in traffic or for diagnosing faults.
Law CUR regs 98 & 107.
I appreciate in many circumstance the vehicle/s will not be on-the-road ie: delivery yard , but certain reg`s may still come in to play.
just my thoughts, so don`t shoot the messenger
Is there not a way that they can be set up even if this system kicks in that it can be droped to ground level just once?
kr79:
Is there not a way that they can be set up even if this system kicks in that it can be droped to ground level just once?
solenoid’s need electrical power to allow the flow of fluid in either direction of travel.
some DD trailers have an aditional hand pump much like the cab tilt jack …
Not going to shoot the messenger, just mention the fact that while the driver is in the back, the vehicle is not “unattended” so the S42 offence is not committed. The Con & Use offences referred to in the Highway Code also specifically exclude situations where running the engine is necessary to operate machinery etc.
Not sure how the gubbins work on level tail lifts (never bothered to look)but on my ramp (bloody heavy) I can operate it without the isolator switched on using hydraulics, it runs slower and struggles a bit but it does work, the electric motor helps it along great guns.
I can only assume the tail lifts on the trailers are a bit more complex?
I often hurl myself on and off the wagon bed as I couldn’t be bothered with the ramp and strapping 
no disrepect,
Yes i know where your coming from , some companies do road-side deliveries, yes still not “unattended” technically,
but it helps to understand the legal technicalities when deciding which option to choose
Nice of you to point that out 
Many Double decks do have an emergency manual release valve to lower the lift behind a panel in the wall sides
Single decks (general taillifts) rely on the electrics and no emergency manual valve incorporated unless specified in the build criteria,
Passenger/disability lifts do have the manual pump handle - release valve option incorporated as part of the build on the pump valve block.
mike68:
A bit like Question Of Sport, I give you a scenario you guess the outcome.Our work involves some tail lift deliveries, the units have a system called battery guard, it cuts power to the anderson lead socket that powers the tail lift leaving sufficient current in the batteries to start the engine all you have to do is restart the engine on a fast idle while you finish the delivery.
This particular incident occurred to one of our “drivers”, during the delivery the battery guard activated when the said individual was in the back of the trailer, using your knowledge and common sense how did the situation unfold.
He had to be rescued by the fire brigade as he couldn’t egress himself from the back of the trailer? [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH]
And seeing as someone mentioned that he should get down, restart the engine, and complete the delivery, only problem with that is its still illegal and an offence to leave a vehicle with the engine running, obviously depending where the unloading takes place, but personally i would have jumped down and sorted it out whatever the circumstances.