richmond:
Actually, i have asked kevin if i can have a trip to iran! So watch this space, im sure i will get to go there sometime soon by truck.
Hi Richmond, in all seriousness, have you get anymore M/E jaunts for Astran lined up for the near future?? 
I assume you will be taking the 143 if you go so any chance of a picture diary??
Cheers, bullitt.
Yes , i will be doing some more, it will be next year now as , you can see , i have a few of my cunning plans to sort out, i have asked for an iran or egypt!, just to make a change !I can do a diary if some one wants one, but i have no inteest in being in a magazine or such, but i would, if wanted do a roughish diary of one of my trips, The job is very different now to what i read it was like in the old days, .
richmond:
Yes , i will be doing some more, it will be next year now as , you can see , i have a few of my cunning plans to sort out, i have asked for an iran or egypt!, just to make a change !I can do a diary if some one wants one, but i have no inteest in being in a magazine or such, but i would, if wanted do a roughish diary of one of my trips, The job is very different now to what i read it was like in the old days, .
Thanks for replying, I can guarantee that there would be a whole heap of interest if you managed to put a picture diary together. 
Egypt sounds good, somewhere completely different. There was a chap on here a while ago that was thinking of exploring new routes to the M/E. One option he mentioned was to get a ferry across to Egypt (Alexsandria??) from Southern Europe (Italy??) then overland it to the Red Sea coast on the eastern side of Egypt and get a ferry across to Saudi!! Sounds pretty straight forward but apparently transiting through Egypt isnt allowed.Never heard anymore about it though.
Anyway, if you do get down that way then keep us all informed. Anywhere different and off the beaten track is always of interest to alot of the drivers here.
Cheers, bullitt.
bullitt:
richmond:
Yes , i will be doing some more, it will be next year now as , you can see , i have a few of my cunning plans to sort out, i have asked for an iran or egypt!, just to make a change !I can do a diary if some one wants one, but i have no inteest in being in a magazine or such, but i would, if wanted do a roughish diary of one of my trips, The job is very different now to what i read it was like in the old days, .Thanks for replying, I can guarantee that there would be a whole heap of interest if you managed to put a picture diary together.
Anyway, if you do get down that way then keep us all informed. Anywhere different and off the beaten track is always of interest to alot of the drivers here.
Cheers, bullitt.
I agree with Bullitt, Iâd be interested in reading about your trips.
bullitt:
There was a chap on here a while ago that was thinking of exploring new routes to the M/E. One option he mentioned was to get a ferry across to Egypt (Alexsandria??) from Southern Europe (Italy??) then overland it to the Red Sea coast on the eastern side of Egypt and get a ferry across to Saudi!! Never heard anymore though.
Yeah thatâs because it was Carryfast talking [zb] as usual 
I have to say though Carl, you only seem to want to flag out to avoid scrutiny from VOSA, not for cheaper roadtax or anything?
Yes, thats right jl, i am getting a bit naffed of for having a pg9 for a cut in aspray flap, and having to have a full mot, 2 months after it passed mot, and in another instance failing a mot for a number plate bulb blown , i had a bulb, and they made me take it away, put a new bulb in and represent this again.Strikes me iof you was a foreigner, a they would need an interpreter and probably wouldnt bother you and in this case, there is no need to use uk registered trucks, so why bother, i dont run dodgy trucks and im all for regulation, but the brits have an amazing reaction to the most stupid rules, would i ask my man to take a truck out with, unworking brakes, no, would i take a truck of the road for a spay flap missing, well, no i do not call that a safety item. just my perspective. We are europeans, the brits wont change, so lets hear the music and move out !Im not going to re register my trucks out there, im selling them and starting up again from there,
Some background reading that may be useful on the UK lawâs interpretation of flagging out:
Paulson:
Some interesting background reading that may be useful on the UK lawâs interpretation of flagging out:
Good find
Not a problem, as i am moving out, not flagging out, so i dont see how briish law would have anything to do with it, The problems are where you still try to run uk trucks from holland/uk, if you just moved the whole thing to be based from holland, trucks, office , paperwork then i dont see what it would have to do with the uk authioritys I appreciate the thread started as flagging, but that was to get some interst in it ! ta lads.
Seems like Joan has her finger on the button
Yep - this is one of the two firms I referred to in my post nearer the start of this thread. She hasnât finished yetâŚsheâs looking at a couple of others at the mo who are likely to get the same treatment.
I still think that perhps you guys are missing the point, if you have a tpt co in holland, with dutch everything, what would it have to do with any english authoritys, other than roadside checks, as far as i know, it has nothing to do with the uk system, these people get it wrong by trying to do half a job, and not going the whole way, or maybe i have missed something.?If you had a problem with say a spray flap on a roadside check, all they can do is to fine you, that bit isnt the problem, i can pay them no problem, it a ll the bollox that comes with it afterâŚ, lifes too short to have to listen to it allâŚand then have a public enqiurey and the office control and checking every insp sheet for a correct signatureâŚetc t
richmond:
I still think that perhps you guys are missing the point, if you have a tpt co in holland, with dutch everything, what would it have to do with any english authoritys, other than roadside checks, as far as i know, it has nothing to do with the uk system, these people get it wrong by trying to do half a job, and not going the whole way, or maybe i have missed something.?If you had a problem with say a spray flap on a roadside check, all they can do is to fine you, that bit isnt the problem, i can pay them no problem, it a ll the bollox that comes with it afterâŚ, lifes too short to have to listen to it allâŚand then have a public enqiurey and the office control and checking every insp sheet for a correct signatureâŚetc t
Iâm not missing it at all, nor are others commenters I suspect; weâre just pointing out the pitfalls in this type of transition since youâre asking about it. Youâre right though that it would be a better idea to go the full hog and transfer as much of your operation as you can to Holland as this will then eliminate a lot of the problems whicg could be encountered in the UK with our transport regulatory authorities. A half-assed effort is a sure way to fail, I agree.
If I were you and was serious about this I wouldnât make a move until I had spoken face-to-face with at least one UK operator who has done it. This forum will only feed you pieces of a jigsaw (although useful no doubt) it will not paint the entire picture on the box which you need; you need to get the story (and the mistakes) told to you by someone who has walked the talk. Find them.
Yes, your right there boss, i am just doing a bit of feelers about it, and i do think it is a do able project, i have had a few usefull contacts from this and i do have more of an idea then when i started, so a big thankyou to all who have helped me, However, i shall now be on silent mode about it from now on, so as not to warrant any unnecceasry unwanted attention, thanks again and bye .
I think people confuse here 2 things, one is flagging out to Holland but still operating in the UK, Dutch registered trucks but planning and operation in the UK.
This is where the 2 Scottish Hauliers got caught with.
As far as I understand (but correct me if Iâm wrong) is the OP planning to MOVE is company to the Netherlands. So instead of being an UK company, he is gone be a Dutch (Cloggie) haulier.
As long as he goes the whole way, and not using some agency to be an umbrella company, there is nothing wrong to do so, even the VOSA, the minister of Transport, or the granny of the Queen can do nothing about it, big companies do it, small companies do it, nothing news.
But the catch is âgoing the whole wayâ if you read the case of the Scottish Haulier dealt by the Dutch lawyer Vallenduuk, you can see where the gaps are, this haulier runs a company half in the UK and half in the Netherlands, he does that for obvious reason (and not because truck insurance is cheaper in Holland)
So if the OP goes through the company house, start his own LTD or similar (BV, BVBA,CV,NV, VOF etc.) and applies than for an operation license, get an BTW number (VAT is for every company however small you are) buys /lease his trucks, and there is a new Dutch Haulier (Cloggie Express)
Who he let drive is his own business (as long as EU) he can hire from let say his own agency in the UK and pay this agency to pay the UK taxes and NI for his drivers, drivers are than UK employed but work in Holland, or in Europe lets say.
He has than the right to do deliveries in the UK or even cabotage but as long as he doesnât break the rules for cabotage he cannot be regarded as an UK haulier, when he breaks the rules he will find rapidly out that the VOSA makes their own rules as they go along, if they where killed after their first lie, there would be no VOSA left.
The biggest problem in Holland will be if you try to work with âself-employedâ drivers, because the Dutch law has a problem with that for reason of tax.
If the OP does his home work well, and speak to the âChamber of Commerceâ they are wiling to help and put you on the right path.
Donât go with agencies who promise âthe land of Goldâ itâs not there, we nicked it all ourselves.
I have a question for caladoniandream.
If flagging out to holland is so attractive to some people, why have wolter koops registered all there trucks in Poland with polish drivers?
I think I know the answer but I am interested on the dutchmans perspective.
Caledonian, you my sir, have nailed it,thats the plan.Lets use the european system for us and not against us.
Roadranger, i expect why walter has gone there, rather than holland is for his own reasons, for my plan i could go anywhere, its just for a vareity of conveniant reasons i am choosing holland, ireland for example was on my first train of thought, its just a country that is conveniant., Or maybe im wrong?Im guessing most of walters staff are polish so it made sense for him, you can go anywhere and do better than be here !
I understand where you are coming from, the way vosa go on towards uk operators good luck to you
Wish all the best, but what ever
its having good staff that ensures
you and your firm does well ,
Actually , i prefer good and paying customers first !
