There’s a reason its almost impossible to have a ■■■■■ at the services without seeing adverts, its because telling people they need things like this relieves them of lots of their money, simple as.
No, no one needs a £450 sat nav, just as no one needs a £450 phone, but they’ve been browbeaten into believing they need THE one because if they themselves haven’t been drawn in my the sales blurb, their fiends have, peer pressure increases the pressure to must have status.
It started in school when idiot parents bought £80+ trainers for their soft children, in case the in crowd at school took the ■■■■ out of little Johnny because his trainers only cost £25.
It carries on in adult life with people who, despite not having two ha’pennies to scratch their arse, wouldn’t be seen dead in Lidl, wouldn’t drive an old car…remember the recent thread about cars and some of the comments …have to wear someone else’s name on their clothes, right perfumes, right holiday destinations etc etc.
Plus I relied on my SatNav on Friday when i only had a Postcode to rely on in finding a bowls club with a pallet of grass seed. I didn’t have the paperwork with the address on it, as due to an office admin error, it had been stapled to the back of another delivery paperwork. Needless to say the SatNav let me down, and I drove up an unmarked road/track surrounded by lots of greenery that suspiciously looked more like a golf course than a bowls club. I ended up at the end of a private gated drive with nowhere to turn around. How I laughed!!!
But as I didn’t have the paperwork and address, i thought I’d take a punt… As finding a bowls club shouldn’t have been hard, as even if you can’t see the greens, you can just look in the carpark for the types of motors pensioners drive!
P.S. My SatNav couldn’t even give me good enough directions to find popham airfield, a ■■■■■■■ airfield for gods sake.
How can you bloody miss something that size■■?
Juddian:
There’s a reason its almost impossible to have a ■■■■■ at the services without seeing adverts, its because telling people they need things like this relieves them of lots of their money, simple as.
No, no one needs a £450 sat nav, just as no one needs a £450 phone, but they’ve been browbeaten into believing they need THE one because if they themselves haven’t been drawn in my the sales blurb, their fiends have, peer pressure increases the pressure to must have status.
It started in school when idiot parents bought £80+ trainers for their soft children, in case the in crowd at school took the ■■■■ out of little Johnny because his trainers only cost £25.
It carries on in adult life with people who, despite not having two ha’pennies to scratch their arse, wouldn’t be seen dead in Lidl, wouldn’t drive an old car…remember the recent thread about cars and some of the comments …have to wear someone else’s name on their clothes, right perfumes, right holiday destinations etc etc.
Ye Gods, i never had bloody trainers as a kid, plimpsoles were the thing and at one time baseball boots (boot style plimpsoles) were in vogue for youngsters…i’m far too bloody old to have had trainers, which wouldn’t have been allowed within the school grounds anyway, sports shoes should only be worn for sports lad…any they still wore mortar boards and capes where i went, and you did as you were told…
Think i spent most of my childhood out of school in desert boots.
hmm come to think of it, spent a lot of saturday mornings at school too in Master’s Detention in full uniform…
Juddian:
There’s a reason its almost impossible to have a ■■■■■ at the services without seeing adverts, its because telling people they need things like this relieves them of lots of their money, simple as.
No, no one needs a £450 sat nav, just as no one needs a £450 phone, but they’ve been browbeaten into believing they need THE one because if they themselves haven’t been drawn in my the sales blurb, their fiends have, peer pressure increases the pressure to must have status.
It started in school when idiot parents bought £80+ trainers for their soft children, in case the in crowd at school took the ■■■■ out of little Johnny because his trainers only cost £25.
It carries on in adult life with people who, despite not having two ha’pennies to scratch their arse, wouldn’t be seen dead in Lidl, wouldn’t drive an old car…remember the recent thread about cars and some of the comments …have to wear someone else’s name on their clothes, right perfumes, right holiday destinations etc etc.
It’s all image.
You had £25 trainers?! You posh b8stard!!!
Trainers■■? more like plimsolls from the 1970’s Attached to 2 bits of string! (My legs!)
Ye Gods, i never had bloody trainers as a kid, plimpsoles were the thing and at one time baseball boots (boot style plimpsoles) were in vogue for youngsters…i’m far too bloody old to have had trainers, which wouldn’t have been allowed within the school grounds anyway, sports shoes should only be worn for sports lad…any they still wore mortar boards and capes where i went, and you did as you were told…
Think i spent most of my childhood out of school in desert boots.
I got your hand me downs! After they went out of fashion… (If they were ever in to start with! )
Ye Gods, i never had bloody trainers as a kid, plimpsoles were the thing and at one time baseball boots (boot style plimpsoles) were in vogue for youngsters…i’m far too bloody old to have had trainers, which wouldn’t have been allowed within the school grounds anyway, sports shoes should only be worn for sports lad…any they still wore mortar boards and capes where i went, and you did as you were told…
Think i spent most of my childhood out of school in desert boots.
I got your hand me downs! After they went out of fashion… (If they were ever in to start with! )
3rd hand then, i got me brother’s, and his old Navy issue boots to swan about in.
Having the Internet now I don’t know if I’d bother with a sat nav again just do a search google maps of the surrounding streets for the given address and screen shot job done .
robroy:
Nothing against sat navs, use a basic one myself. Don’t want to get into a general debate about the use of either, as it has all been said.
However, just reading some of the posts on other threads where some are paying 3 to 4 hundred quid for one … out of their own pocket, what percentage of your wage is that just to go to work to do your job.
I know I’m maybe repeating myself ( yeh, I know yawn yawn ) but how much guidance, assistance, and help do these guys need ffs, to get from point A to point B. Do they have to be told every [zb] detail about wt limits, low bridges, traffic reports to the point where zero actual brain power is being used in terms of initiative, decision making and awareness.
If you are a brainless bufoon fair enough, but an average driver should not need this level of virtual control to the point of where the only time you make a decision by yourself is when you wipe your arse.
I bought a tomtom 7100 for I think 350, this was 5 years ago. Only one purchase. As an agency driver Im put on new routes 80% of the time. Keeping in mind the tomtom is only an aid, I say is the most valuable purchase I’ve done in this line of work after my philips trucker atlas. I usually advice every newbie not to cheapskate on this single purchase.
smokinbarrels:
To me it makes sense to buy a truck nav when you drive a truck. You wouldn’t go buying a car map book when you drive a truck would you?
Well yes at one time you did, there was the Michelin bridge height atlas years ago but as a road map it was bloody useless, so you’d buy a Collins standard road atlas, the only atlas to show every single roundabout, and use the two together.
Still easy to do this, standard bridge height map by Phillips or the AA, for route planning, any old car sat nav for use as a street directory and once on the driver planned route as a tool for spotting unmarked roads, reading unsigned junctions and for early warning of scamera hidey holes.
£100 buys you a decent nav and atlas, lose 'em or the sat nav dies a week out of warranty it hardly matters.
How the hell did we manage a lot of years ago, well maybe not that long ago, you got your papers and a envelope with your float and sometimes your fuel money as well, no cards or sat nav, all you needed was a map and a pen and paper when you stopped for directions
How many drivers did as I did ?
Go into the nearest services to where you wanted to be and have a cheeky look at the relevant A to Z for your destination for free and jot the directions down on a piece of paper
robroy:
Nothing against sat navs, use a basic one myself. Don’t want to get into a general debate about the use of either, as it has all been said.
However, just reading some of the posts on other threads where some are paying 3 to 4 hundred quid for one … out of their own pocket, what percentage of your wage is that just to go to work to do your job.
I know I’m maybe repeating myself ( yeh, I know yawn yawn ) but how much guidance, assistance, and help do these guys need ffs, to get from point A to point B. Do they have to be told every [zb] detail about wt limits, low bridges, traffic reports to the point where zero actual brain power is being used in terms of initiative, decision making and awareness.
If you are a brainless bufoon fair enough, but an average driver should not need this level of virtual control to the point of where the only time you make a decision by yourself is when you wipe your arse.
Buffoon my be right ,would the new £400 snooper turn on would it zb ,I was about to throw it at the wall when my nephew ,Adam ,11 yrs old said uncle ----- can I have a look at it ,as if some young kid is going to get it to work ,not a zb chance ,uncle ------ you haven’t put battery switch on .
raymundo:
How many drivers did as I did ?
Go into the nearest services to where you wanted to be and have a cheeky look at the relevant A to Z for your destination for free and jot the directions down on a piece of paper
nightline:
How the hell did we manage a lot of years ago, … all you needed was a map and a pen and paper when you stopped for directions
I used to hate having to stop and ask for directions in strange towns. It was usually a street that nobody had ever heard of, or someone would give you incorrect information that would put you even further off course. You could waste a hour plus trying to find that street, whereas a satnav will usually take you straight there. Plus my satnav speaks perfect English.
I have had both the cheap eBay nav and the big money navs. I found with the cheap ones they are a total pain in the but to update the maps.
So I bought a snooper which I have no complaints with except it packed. Up when I was out and about so I bought a garmin both are truck navs both have different features which I like.
Snooper fixed the unit free of charge so that’s why I have two plus both are easy to update maps and software,
When I got rid of all my maps I had a little count up on how much they had cost me probably over a 5 year period and in was nigh on £5 to 600 pounds I’ve he’d both sat navs at least 4 years .
robroy:
I know I’m maybe repeating myself ( yeh, I know yawn yawn ) but how much guidance, assistance, and help do these guys need ffs, to get from point A to point B. Do they have to be told every [zb] detail about wt limits, low bridges, traffic reports to the point where zero actual brain power is being used in terms of initiative, decision making and awareness.
If you are a brainless bufoon fair enough, but an average driver should not need this level of virtual control to the point of where the only time you make a decision by yourself is when you wipe your arse.
You’re obviously incapable of understanding that many people use it as an aide rather than to do all the thinking of them. Do you know where every single weight, height and width restriction is in the entire country? No.
Would you rather take a route knowing that there aren’t any or would you rather deal with all the frustration and stress of planning a route on paper or on a non-HGV tailored Satnav, driving down it then finding suddenly you can’t make the right turn you wanted because there’s a weight limit you didn’t know about?
Personally I’d rather do everything I can to take as much stress out of the job as possible. That’s why every single day and even before starting my return journey on a night trunk I check the Traffic England and Highways.gov websites to see what the road closures and diversions are so I don’t leave our Northampton depot, drive up the M1 to suddenly find its closed from J16-19. Instead I already know so I can turn left instead of right when I join the A45 and go via the A1 instead.
The problem you have with them is you’re treating everyone who uses them as a buffoon. Personally I think anyone who doesn’t use the tools available to make a job easier and would rather struggle like a mug whilst berating those who have the sense to is the buffoon.
You keep using those paper maps mate and trying to drive through the middle of Birmingham trying to read the map in one hand and steer in the other. And when you hit something because you had your head in your A to Z or you’re sat there at the side of the road tearing your hair out in rage because many of the roads you’d chosen were no entries or don’t even exist anymore, just ponder on all those posts you made about Satnavs.
Agree. I also have a paper map though, but I use it as an aide, not 100% rely upon it. I find it reduces the stress I feel, so for me personally it is money well spent.
beetee07:
I have had both the cheap eBay nav and the big money navs. I found with the cheap ones they are a total pain in the but to update the maps.
So I bought a snooper which I have no complaints with except it packed. Up when I was out and about so I bought a garmin both are truck navs both have different features which I like.
Snooper fixed the unit free of charge so that’s why I have two plus both are easy to update maps and software,
When I got rid of all my maps I had a little count up on how much they had cost me probably over a 5 year period and in was nigh on £5 to 600 pounds I’ve he’d both sat navs at least 4 years .
Errr I think I understand that, but correct me if I’m wrong.
Are you saying you had maps before sat navs to the value of 600 quid? and only in 5 years. That is £120 a year on maps. Are you a driver or a ■■■■■■ explorer?
…have to wear someone else’s name on their clothes, right perfumes, right holiday destinations etc etc.
I enjoy playing up to it! 
Attached to 2 bits of string! (My legs!) 
(If they were ever in to start with! 
) but how much guidance, assistance, and help do these guys need ffs, to get from point A to point B. Do they have to be told every [zb] detail about wt limits, low bridges, traffic reports to the point where zero actual brain power is being used in terms of initiative, decision making and awareness.
