Buzzer:
PS told you lot not to rise to CF he’s been planted.
You think that I’m a plant and remainer May and her Conservative rabble will deliver Brexit.You couldn’t make it up. 
5thwheel:
I too have emigrated/retired away from the UK,to say what happens in Blighty shouldn’t be any concern of those who have left is simply wrong.
My pensions,both state and private are all Sterling derived and therefore set the standard of living that I have here in Portugal.
I also have family living in the UK,so I have a vested interest that the UK makes the right decisions and prospers where it can,so I have a very real concern in the future of the U.K. despite your comments.
Why would you think that our economy and your ‘pensions’ are supposedly safer under the EU foreign aid scam.In which we’re being bled dry for the privilege of an unsustainable trade deficit with Europe.With the value of the pound and national debt figures to match,compared with those before we joined it.
As someone who voted to leave the EU in the this referendum, since then I am always being referred to as thick, stupid, or a moron etc and any other insult they can think of, the they I’m referring to are the gentle folk who voted to remain, now this so called thick, stupid, moron etc also happened to have voted for us to join the common market back then and was also called at the time a thick, stupid moron etc for wanting to be part of what we where led to believe would be this great new world, I am now getting very confused as I was thick, stupid moron etc for voting us in and now because I saw the error of my ways, a thick, stupid, moron etc for voting to leave, surely you cant have it both ways help required please because It’s starting to make my brain hurt…
Ossie
OssieD:
As someone who voted to leave the EU in the this referendum, since then I am always being referred to as thick, stupid, or a moron etc and any other insult they can think of, the they I’m referring to are the gentle folk who voted to remain, now this so called thick, stupid, moron etc also happened to have voted for us to join the common market back then and was also called at the time a thick, stupid moron etc for wanting to be part of what we where led to believe would be this great new world, I am now getting very confused as I was thick, stupid moron etc for voting us in and now because I saw the error of my ways, a thick, stupid, moron etc for voting to leave, surely you cant have it both ways help required please because It’s starting to make my brain hurt…
Firstly you’ve admitted yourself that you were fooled by the propaganda that you were voting for a ‘common market’.Ironically even that being all in the EU’s favour.
While calling Leave voters uneducated and thick,is a totally different thing.It’s actually one of the founding principles of the EU based on the idea that an unelected ruling elite ( Commissioners Politburo ) is considered as being more beneficial than allowing the ordinary ‘uneducated’ people to vote for anything,or for anyone at least with any real power to do,or change,or opt out of,anything. 
Buzzer:
ramone:
I wonder if we will ever get a new political party emerging possibly called The Common Sense Party. With members who aren’t politically correct , who want to do their best for OUR country who want to promote sensible H&S who want to spend at home instead of giving money to other countries , who encourage our police to target muggers burglars drug dealers and the like instead of easy target motorists. Maybe we could look at the NHS funding in a different way with people who have not contributed to it get charged for treatment with insurance plans .Gey shut of the Human Rights Bill , Stop immigration and start moving back illegals and repeat offending foreign criminals .Maybe get some accountability from MPs who continually do the opposite to what they promised before election (we wouldn’t have any left) … i could go on but i will no doubt get slated by the lefties of this world but i can dreamRamone are you Walter Mitty in real life, love your idea its a goodun but cant see that happening any time soon and I aint got a lot of that left but a great idea Buzzer.
PS told you lot not to rise to CF he’s been planted.
Just dreaming of someone coming along with common sense and setting up a party worth voting for with real issue solving qualities .I suppose common sense and MPs in the same sentence is going a bit far. I will spoil the dream now by insisting Jeremy Clarkson as leader until Trump comes available. Just trying to lighten the mood a little afyer all it is almosy the weekend
Carryfast:
5thwheel:
I too have emigrated/retired away from the UK,to say what happens in Blighty shouldn’t be any concern of those who have left is simply wrong.
My pensions,both state and private are all Sterling derived and therefore set the standard of living that I have here in Portugal.
I also have family living in the UK,so I have a vested interest that the UK makes the right decisions and prospers where it can,so I have a very real concern in the future of the U.K. despite your comments.Why would you think that our economy and your ‘pensions’ are supposedly safer under the EU foreign aid scam.In which we’re being bled dry for the privilege of an unsustainable trade deficit with Europe.With the value of the pound and national debt figures to match,compared with those before we joined it.
What!!!..I never said anything about my pensions being safer or otherwise under the EU foreign aid scam…are you on drugs or something■■?
David
5thwheel:
What!!!..I never said anything about my pensions being safer or otherwise under the EU foreign aid scam…are you on drugs or something■■?
David
You didn’t, David, neither did I or anybody else I’ve heard on the subject.
We’re talking about pounds and euros, and he burbles on about francs and dollars…oh, and yes, he is.
Bewick:
I hear what you say Spardo but you know as well as me that the question was very simple----- “do you want to be in or out” ! How would it have been possible to put forward every minute scenario of Pros and Cons ! we would still have been arguing the toss now and there wouldn’t have been a referendum ! Everything would have got bogged down with endless discussion which may be have been fine for the Remoaners but unacceptable to the 52% who voted out. The bollox that the likes of our local MP Farron spews out along the lines of “we might have voted to leave but no one has told us where we will end up” If the whole World had always had 20/20 vision into the future we would have had, I would suggest, a very peaceful 20th century ! But unfortunately we haven’t access to the future so how the hell can anyone spell out exactly what will happen in the coming years. One thing is for certain though I’ll be much happier when we get clear of the EU preferably with NO DEAL thus saving a fortune from day one. They need our trade more than we need theirs from what I can make out ! And if President Trump a.k.a. “The Donald” clamps down on all the EU imports to the USA the Frogs, Krauts and Cloggies will be begging us to buy their goods, and why not ! trade is trade after all as long as its fair ! Rant Over ! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick: “preferably with NO DEAL thus saving a fortune from day one”
So with “no deal” the goods we wish to sell into the EU may well have additional taxes on them, so well probably sell less of them. The money we pay into the EU is our rent for our "Tax Free Shop". Without it, we ll have less income.
Doe your haulage business pay too much tax? Just cut your fleet in half, your income may fall, but Hey, you`ll save paying all those taxes!
Bewick: “They need our trade more than we need theirs from what I can make out !”
2016 the ONS says our export trade was about 48% with the EU. (Its worth noting that about 80% of that is in services not goods. If we stop recognising the EU courts how much of that will continue I wonder? Would you use a bank that doesnt recognise your court system?).
Anyway we sell about 48% of our goods into the EU they sell about 16% of their exports to us. So I would say we need to sell our stuff to them more than they sell their stuff to us.
But it shouldnt be about who gets hurt the most really should it? Trading barriers hurt the parties on BOTH sides of the fence. But thats the way it seems to be heading: noses and faces and the use of cutting implements seem to the fore unfortunately…
ramone:
Buzzer:
ramone:
I wonder if we will ever get a new political party emerging possibly called The Common Sense Party. With members who aren’t politically correct , who want to do their best for OUR country who want to promote sensible H&S who want to spend at home instead of giving money to other countries , who encourage our police to target muggers burglars drug dealers and the like instead of easy target motorists. Maybe we could look at the NHS funding in a different way with people who have not contributed to it get charged for treatment with insurance plans .Gey shut of the Human Rights Bill , Stop immigration and start moving back illegals and repeat offending foreign criminals .Maybe get some accountability from MPs who continually do the opposite to what they promised before election (we wouldn’t have any left) … i could go on but i will no doubt get slated by the lefties of this world but i can dreamRamone are you Walter Mitty in real life, love your idea its a goodun but cant see that happening any time soon and I aint got a lot of that left but a great idea Buzzer.
PS told you lot not to rise to CF he’s been planted.
Just dreaming of someone coming along with common sense and setting up a party worth voting for with real issue solving qualities .I suppose common sense and MPs in the same sentence is going a bit far. I will spoil the dream now by insisting Jeremy Clarkson as leader until Trump comes available. Just trying to lighten the mood a little afyer all it is almosy the weekend
I have been thinking to myself for the last week or so that there is a very real possibility of a new political party being created from the present political shambles and weak, ineffective, leadership being shown by May and Corbyn.
And to those ex-pats worrying about their pension investments, well I say to you that you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have a SIPP and control my own investments. Now I know three eighths of nothing about investing in funds, apart from a bit of research. One month ago I did a drawdown to pay for my recent holiday in the USA, and in the intervening month the amount I drew out has already been made good. My pension pot has grown by a very worthwhile amount already this year thanks to all the Brexit “uncertainty”.
gingerfold:
And to those ex-pats worrying about their pension investments, well I say to you that you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have a SIPP and control my own investments. Now I know three eighths of nothing about investing in funds, apart from a bit of research. One month ago I did a drawdown to pay for my recent holiday in the USA, and in the intervening month the amount I drew out has already been made good. My pension pot has grown by a very worthwhile amount already this year thanks to all the Brexit “uncertainty”.
I have no idea what a SIPP is and even less about drawing down anything. The bulk of my pensions are British based and paid into my British bank account. I then wait for a suitable rate of exchange, if I can afford to, and then transfer to my French account. The only thing that affects that is the exchange rate. And that is almost 22% down since the Brexit vote.
I didn’t expect anyone to vote one way or the other to protect my pension, but someone did ask earlier, and you have just now shown that you weren’t aware of it. That’s all.
I don’t know what the difference is between the average wage in Britain and the average unemployment benefit, but, that aside, I doubt if anyone would be happy to recieve a 22 % drop in their income.
Hardly
absolutely nothing to worry about
Franglais:
Bewick:
I hear what you say Spardo but you know as well as me that the question was very simple----- “do you want to be in or out” ! How would it have been possible to put forward every minute scenario of Pros and Cons ! we would still have been arguing the toss now and there wouldn’t have been a referendum ! Everything would have got bogged down with endless discussion which may be have been fine for the Remoaners but unacceptable to the 52% who voted out. The bollox that the likes of our local MP Farron spews out along the lines of “we might have voted to leave but no one has told us where we will end up” If the whole World had always had 20/20 vision into the future we would have had, I would suggest, a very peaceful 20th century ! But unfortunately we haven’t access to the future so how the hell can anyone spell out exactly what will happen in the coming years. One thing is for certain though I’ll be much happier when we get clear of the EU preferably with NO DEAL thus saving a fortune from day one. They need our trade more than we need theirs from what I can make out ! And if President Trump a.k.a. “The Donald” clamps down on all the EU imports to the USA the Frogs, Krauts and Cloggies will be begging us to buy their goods, and why not ! trade is trade after all as long as its fair ! Rant Over ! Cheers Dennis.Bewick: “preferably with NO DEAL thus saving a fortune from day one”
So with “no deal” the goods we wish to sell into the EU may well have additional taxes on them, so well probably sell less of them. The money we pay into the EU is our rent for our "Tax Free Shop". Without it, well have less income.
Doe your haulage business pay too much tax? Just cut your fleet in half, your income may fall, but Hey, you`ll save paying all those taxes!Bewick: “They need our trade more than we need theirs from what I can make out !”
2016 the ONS says our export trade was about 48% with the EU. (Its worth noting that about 80% of that is in services not goods. If we stop recognising the EU courts how much of that will continue I wonder? Would you use a bank that doesnt recognise your court system?).
Anyway we sell about 48% of our goods into the EU they sell about 16% of their exports to us. So I would say we need to sell our stuff to them more than they sell their stuff to us.
But it shouldnt be about who gets hurt the most really should it? Trading barriers hurt the parties on BOTH sides of the fence. But thats the way it seems to be heading: noses and faces and the use of cutting implements seem to the fore unfortunately…
80 % of our trade is in services. Yes Insurance, banking, hedge funds and all the other financial crooks who are nothing more than parasites. Usury the Bible calls it and considers it a sin.Finance is one of the Professions the toffs select for their offspring, It is about time they got a boot up their backside and told to do an honest day’s work. Bring it on.
5thwheel:
Carryfast:
5thwheel:
My pensions,both state and private are all Stirling derived and therefore set the standard of living that I have here in Portugal.
I also have family living in the UK,so I have a vested interest that the UK makes the right decisions and prospers where it can,so I have a very real concern in the future of the U.K despite your comments.Why would you think that our economy and your ‘pensions’ are supposedly safer under the EU foreign aid scam.In which we’re being bled dry for the privilege of an unsustainable trade deficit with Europe.With the value of the pound and national debt figures to match,compared with those before we joined it.
What!!!..I never said anything about my pensions being safer or otherwise under the EU foreign aid scam…are you on drugs or something■■?
If you’re not trying to make the bs case that your ‘pension’ is supposedly ‘safer’ if we remain in the EU foreign aid scam and is less safe if we leave it,then why the reference to the value of 'Sterling ’ and exactly what are your supposed ‘concerns’ all about and ‘despite’ ‘who’s’ ‘comments’ exactly.
While if it looks like just another remoaner insulting leave voters,because the economic facts,like the value of the pound before we joined the scam v since to date,don’t match their bs project fear script,then it probably is.
Spardo:
gingerfold:
And to those ex-pats worrying about their pension investments, well I say to you that you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have a SIPP and control my own investments. Now I know three eighths of nothing about investing in funds, apart from a bit of research. One month ago I did a drawdown to pay for my recent holiday in the USA, and in the intervening month the amount I drew out has already been made good. My pension pot has grown by a very worthwhile amount already this year thanks to all the Brexit “uncertainty”.I have no idea what a SIPP is and even less about drawing down anything. The bulk of my pensions are British based and paid into my British bank account. I then wait for a suitable rate of exchange, if I can afford to, and then transfer to my French account. The only thing that affects that is the exchange rate. And that is almost 22% down since the Brexit vote.
I didn’t expect anyone to vote one way or the other to protect my pension, but someone did ask earlier, and you have just now shown that you weren’t aware of it. That’s all.
I don’t know what the difference is between the average wage in Britain and the average unemployment benefit, but, that aside, I doubt if anyone would be happy to recieve a 22 % drop in their income.
Hardly
absolutely nothing to worry about
I remember a few years back going to Teneriffe and getting 1 euro for a pound , well before Brexit
Spardo:
The bulk of my pensions are British based and paid into my British bank account. I then wait for a suitable rate of exchange, if I can afford to, and then transfer to my French account. The only thing that affects that is the exchange rate. And that is almost 22% down since the Brexit vote.
Strange how you don’t seem to be as bothered about the exchange rate’s collapse since we joined the EU to date v what it was before we joined the scam.It’s also equally strange how you selectively see the present situation,of our ongoing contributions to the EU and trade deficit,as being sustainable and not being any threat to the economy.While yes it’s obvious that the bankers will create all sorts of obstacles to us Leaving the EU,including scamming the already asset stripped value of the currency,as part of their bs project fear card.Because they are more exposed to the German economy than ours and they know that it’s Germany that has to pick up the tab if/when we finally say we’re out.
As for giving a zb about those who are dependent on a UK based income having chosen to move to Europe,tough.
ramone:
Spardo:
gingerfold:
And to those ex-pats worrying about their pension investments, well I say to you that you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have a SIPP and control my own investments. Now I know three eighths of nothing about investing in funds, apart from a bit of research. One month ago I did a drawdown to pay for my recent holiday in the USA, and in the intervening month the amount I drew out has already been made good. My pension pot has grown by a very worthwhile amount already this year thanks to all the Brexit “uncertainty”.I have no idea what a SIPP is and even less about drawing down anything. The bulk of my pensions are British based and paid into my British bank account. I then wait for a suitable rate of exchange, if I can afford to, and then transfer to my French account. The only thing that affects that is the exchange rate. And that is almost 22% down since the Brexit vote.
I didn’t expect anyone to vote one way or the other to protect my pension, but someone did ask earlier, and you have just now shown that you weren’t aware of it. That’s all.
I don’t know what the difference is between the average wage in Britain and the average unemployment benefit, but, that aside, I doubt if anyone would be happy to recieve a 22 % drop in their income.
Hardly
absolutely nothing to worry about
I remember a few years back going to Teneriffe and getting 1 euro for a pound , well before Brexit
Don’t fret “ramone” in a couple of years once we are getting clear of the EU you’ll be getting 2 Euros to your £ !! Cheers Dennis.
ramone:
I remember a few years back going to Teneriffe and getting 1 euro for a pound , well before Brexit
1.1 in 2009 1.14 today.As I said 9 CHF to the pound in 1972.
The remoaners won’t let anything as inconvenient as facts stand in the way of their ongoing project fear and wanting to reverse Brexit.
Spardo:
We’re talking about pounds and euros, and he burbles on about francs and dollars
I thought we were talking about the value of the pound.Only in remainer la la land there is no relationship and exchange rate between the Euro and the Swiss Franc etc.
While the inconvenient truth for the remainers is that the pound would obviously be worth a lot more v the Euro in that regard going by what it was worth against the Swiss Franc in 1972 v what it was worth in 2009 or now.Remind us what was our EU membership status in 1972 v 2009 or now.
Or for that matter 1976.Oh wait the economy and your pension is safe with us as an EU member state yeah right.More like the UK up to its neck in debt to keep the EU rolling in our cash.
ramone:
I remember a few years back going to Teneriffe and getting 1 euro for a pound , well before Brexit
I think they saw you coming from afar, mate. 
Over the past four years the pound has been worth on average :
2014 - € 1.23
2015 - € 1.33
2016 - € 1.31
2017 - € 1.14 (after the 2016 referendum)
In order to get a rate acceptable to the French tax authorities I take an average of the transfers I make during the given year. That 2016 rate isn’t for the whole year, just in case the rate dropped after the vote, I did a transfer just before it and really did myself declaring € 1.31 as it dropped rapidly to that 2017 figure afterwards.
Not pleading for sympathy because I won’t, and shouldn’t, get it, but just trying to explain to those who think us pensioners won’t be affected.
And if you think we are all filthy rich and living in luxury in our ‘holiday homes’ as someone on here put it, I should tell you that I have never earned enough in almost 20 years to pay income tax.
As far as your Teneriffe experience is concerned, Ramone, you don’t say when it was but I can tell you that since the euro came in at the beginning of 2003, I have never seen a rate lower than € 1.04 and that was only briefly. I think you were well and truly ‘done’ at par. 
Spardo:
ramone:
I remember a few years back going to Teneriffe and getting 1 euro for a pound , well before BrexitI think they saw you coming from afar, mate.
Over the past four years the pound has been worth on average :
2014 - € 1.23
2015 - € 1.33
2016 - € 1.31
2017 - € 1.14 (after the 2016 referendum)In order to get a rate acceptable to the French tax authorities I take an average of the transfers I make during the given year. That 2016 rate isn’t for the whole year, just in case the rate dropped after the vote, I did a transfer just before it and really did myself declaring € 1.31 as it dropped rapidly to that 2017 figure afterwards.
Not pleading for sympathy because I won’t, and shouldn’t, get it, but just trying to explain to those who think us pensioners won’t be affected.
And if you think we are all filthy rich and living in luxury in our ‘holiday homes’ as someone on here put it, I should tell you that I have never earned enough in almost 20 years to pay income tax.
As far as your Teneriffe experience is concerned, Ramone, you don’t say when it was but I can tell you that since the euro came in at the beginning of 2003, I have never seen a rate lower than € 1.04 and that was only briefly. I think you were well and truly ‘done’ at par.
We were getting 1.02 euos at the time in Los Christianos i cant remember what year but it could have been when the banks bombed but i asure you the euro was virtually the same value as the pound.Just glad we had the sense to stay with the pound.In july 2016 a group of us went to New York and one of my mates was confronted by a young irish girl living over there who was disgusted we had voted to leave even though she had !!! A few months later the same guy was in Germany for a beer festival where he was surrounded by locals shaking his hand and saying they wanted out too
Tourist rates then. Hardly a good basis for feeding a prejudice, don’t you think? After that transfer in 2016 I hung on for 10 months before, with rapidly dwindling resources, diving in again at € 1.14 this year.