ramone:
Why isn’t Corbyn being investigated for involvement with terrorist groups , one of which were killing our troops and innocent people throughout the UK. Labour should also be investigated for antisemitism , something that keeps cropping up and then they have the audacity to call others racists. You couldn’t make this up
Is that a specific allegation about a particular action by Corbyn?
Or is that a vague and non specific…smear?
Pre Brexit promises, Major, Benn, Corbyn et al. most of the quotes a veiled warning of the consequences of leaving the EU, the vote went against them , democracy and trust totally destroyed.
You may have to click on vid screen for sound. twitter.com/change_britain/stat … 12?lang=en
Oily
oiltreader:
Pre Brexit promises, Major, Benn, Corbyn et al. most of the quotes a veiled warning of the consequences of leaving the EU, the vote went against them , democracy and trust totally destroyed.
You may have to click on vid screen for sound. twitter.com/change_britain/stat … 12?lang=en
Oily
And they call Boris a liar, so what happened, I’ll tell you what they are all a load of bar stewards that’s what they are not an ounce of creditability in any of them, arise Sir Boris as if he gets ousted before Brexit deadline the general election will come back to bite all those cowards, the electorate are not dumb ■■■■■■’s who don’t understand, what a bloody shambles those remainer MP’s all are, Buzzer
cav551:
The Remoaners are deeming the Words Surrender, Capitulate and Humiliate as offensive, along with the phrase Parliament against the People because all of these descriptions are true and hitting them right where it hurts.
They seem to get upset with 4th Reich too because that’s offensive to their German masters.Federalists the truth always hurts.
On a personal note, BoJo is doing something right because the €/£ exchange rate is going up and now I can get a bottle of wine for the price of a glass again!
gazzer:
On a personal note, BoJo is doing something right because the €/£ exchange rate is going up and now I can get a bottle of wine for the price of a glass again!
On past form more like the bankers know he’s working for the remainers.
gazzer:
On a personal note, BoJo is doing something right because the €/£ exchange rate is going up and now I can get a bottle of wine for the price of a glass again!
Court ruling = pound rises for a while.
Brexit = pound falls in 2016.
And on a 1yr graph xe.com/currencycharts/?from … UR&view=1Y
A sharp dip in late June this year. HHmmmm? What was happening then I wonder? Anything to do with Johnson?
All the attack is aimed at Boris but at the end of the day he is only trying to carry out the wish of the majority in a democratic vote, I see quite a few locals who come here to my place to buy eggs and a real cross section of the public, inevitably Brexit discussion ensues but even the ones who state that they voted to remain are of the general opinion that the vote should be upheld even with all the skullduggery that has happened in Westminster in the name of democracy, me well I think you all know I voted to leave and when I initiated this thread never in my wildest dreams did I think we would still be discussing this issue three and a half years on.
Personally I don’t think the courts should have become involved in politics as it sets a dangerous precedence for the future, how can it be right to remove and end scenario from discussions ? the EU machine do not want a no deal exit from us and that option has been removed by the remain camp with a law and this cannot be right in a democratic country, this only makes the EU’s hand stronger and they are not very cooperative in discussions in the first place. its there way or the highway.
In the endgame I really do think we will exit the EU even if its not on October the 31st, prolonging it does no good at all, if we pass that date and have not left we will inevitably have a general election and then we will see exactly how the population view the situation through the ballot box and the results of that not even a betting man would hazard a guess at the outcome of that one.
My prediction is that the Conservatives would come out on top as what else is on offer is not exactly tempting from any of the opposition but we will have to wait and see. Amidst this I suppose we do have Christmas looming but then I am a traditional Humbug, no pun intended, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Personally I don’t think the courts should have become involved in politics as it sets a dangerous precedence for the future,
The questions there are
Are governments above the law?
Is the PM above the law?
We don`t elect someone to be a dictator for a term. All should be obedient to the courts, or we would end up as some sort of banana republic.
Would you be happy if a future Corbyn led Gov decided to shut down Parliament to get a controversial bill through?
Buzzer:
that option has been removed by the remain camp with a law and this cannot be right in a democratic country,
Shouldn`t that be " removed by a majority vote in parliament, and that is democratic"?
I know you dont like the law that was passed, but that is the way our Parliament currently works. You think its a broken model that needs reform? I agree. Maybe we would/wouldn`t agree on a better way?
But we need to get somewhere more stable before reorganizing things.
Buzzer:
he is only trying to carry out the wish of the majority in a democratic vote
Did the majority want what was promised by the Leave Campaign? The easiest negotiation in history/All upside/EU giving in,etc etc.
Well in the real world that ain`t achievable.
Just like the new promises of cash for hospitals, police, schools, alongside tax cuts as Johnson looks to get votes in any election.
The result of the judiciary’s ruling has resulted effectively in the transfer of power to fringe groups within Parliament. It has enabled a private member or a representative on a select committe to go to court claiming that the government has taken some action to prevent their opinion being heard. As soon as a Government proposes a Gullotine motion the Member for Lower Mugwump or some business faction will be off to Court. We shall have chaos in Parliament as a result, more and more arguments over what someone said, dictionary definitions about the meaning of words in the English language etc; meanwhile nothing will get done.
Buzzer:
Personally I don’t think the courts should have become involved in politics as it sets a dangerous precedence for the future, how can it be right to remove and end scenario from discussions ?
Bet you weren’t saying that when that LibDem bloke broke the law speeding and then got his wife to do so as well.
And as for the 2nd part of your para, not sure what you mean but, if you don’t think that shutting Parliament to stop democratic debate is wrong, then what is your point?
Franglais:
Did the majority want what was promised by the Leave Campaign? The easiest negotiation in history/All upside/EU giving in,etc etc.
Well in the real world that ain`t achievable.
Just like the new promises of cash for hospitals, police, schools, alongside tax cuts as Johnson looks to get votes in any election.
Yes the majority voted to leave the EU.Which means no longer subject to it rule here.It is the easiest negotiation in history on the basis of trade as before or trade as non EU state v EU it’s the EU’s choice and if it wants to hit us with tariffs then we respond the same.Given a decent government.Not a bunch of traitors who owe their allegiance to the EU and it rotten flag.
As for the cash we can only possibly end up with more cash for our public services and health provision if we’re not giving it to the EU in the form of rip off net contribution.
Do you really think that the remainers would be allowing these arguments to continue if remain had won the referendum.No.So why should we who actually won it.
cav551:
The result of the judiciary’s ruling has resulted effectively in the transfer of power to fringe groups within Parliament. It has enabled a private member or a representative on a select committe to go to court claiming that the government has taken some action to prevent their opinion being heard. As soon as a Government proposes a Gullotine motion the Member for Lower Mugwump or some business faction will be off to Court. We shall have chaos in Parliament as a result, more and more arguments over what someone said, dictionary definitions about the meaning of words in the English language etc; meanwhile nothing will get done.
Nothing to do with a party leader sacking members?
Nothing to do with a previous party leader going to the country…and getting knocked down?
If we have a hung Parliament it is because that is who we, the country, voted for. As I said before we dont elect temporary dictators, we didnt vote for a strong Tory Gov at the last election, and the majority given the Tories was thrown away by Johnson.
We have Government By Law not by bullying, chicanery and threats of violence, and long may that continue. If you find the that our democracy is too troubling, you can protest and call for reform, under the rule of law, as everyone can.
Carryfast:
if it wants to hit us with tariffs then we respond the same.
Trade wars generally end up with both sides loosing. That is something Adam Smith got pretty much right.
A shrinking economy with many things costing more, and factories relocating where their product is not to be taxed, means less GDP, and so
Carryfast:
As for the cash we can only possibly end up with more cash for our public services and health provision if we’re not giving it to the EU in the form of rip off net contribution
we could end with less cash than if we`d traded and paid our fees for doing so.
Buzzer:
Personally I don’t think the courts should have become involved in politics as it sets a dangerous precedence for the future, how can it be right to remove and end scenario from discussions ?
Bet you weren’t saying that when that LibDem bloke broke the law speeding and then got his wife to do so as well.
And as for the 2nd part of your para, not sure what you mean but, if you don’t think that shutting Parliament to stop democratic debate is wrong, then what is your point?
WTF has an MP breaking the speed limit got to do with what I wrote, my reference was the courts getting involved with the running of business conducted by parliament and nothing to do with private matters of MP’s. and going on from that who the hell are the Lib Dems.
On shutting parliament to stop democratic debate, there were three main party annual conferences in that five week period for a start so that only left two weeks accountable in my book. The supreme court deemed it illegal but also stated that there was no proroguing of parliament and that it did not exist, following the return to the house nothing of consequence has been discussed especially about Brexit just a general shouting match by those elected to represent us this from all sides I might add, to say they were acting like school children was an understatement, what ensued was opposition saying that words used by Boris were not appropriate but I don’t understand how humbug a surrender come into the category of incorrect, it is true that feelings were running high but I remind all it was not Boris who brought Jo Cox into the discussions in the first place but he was the one taking the rap for this.
In my summing up it is blatantly obvious that to all that the remain fraternity within parliament want to destroy the possibility of us leaving the EU on October the 31st unless it is with a deal acceptable to the house, this is not going to happen as Junker and his sidekicks can see how these lowlife who wish to remain have removed all live ammunition from the leave side’s guns but I sincerely hope hat Boris and his team have something up there sleeves to blow these toss pots right out of the water and I am one counting down the days, Buzzer
Carryfast:
if it wants to hit us with tariffs then we respond the same.
Trade wars generally end up with both sides loosing.
And yet you’re the one who’s supporting the instigation of it.While no in this case that it would be Germany losing and us actually benefitting both in terms of demand for imports replaced by domestic and no more EU contributions.Obviously less good for those on the continent dependent on the status quo in which we subsidise you.Remind us where you live in that regard.
Like ■■■■ I’ve changed my mind. These people are just pathetic losers. I remember what we used to call them when I was a child, but it is actually a welcome relief that the saying has disappeared from the playgound.
Like [zb] I’ve changed my mind. These people are just pathetic losers. I remember what we used to call them when I was a child, but it is actually a welcome relief that the saying has disappeared from the playgound.
Very wrong that a book like that should be sold, I agree. Good to see it has been withdrawn.
But do consider that is being sold by some rather nasty person for profit. Don`t we expect better from our MPs?
Buzzer:
WTF has an MP breaking the speed limit got to do with what I wrote, my reference was the courts getting involved with the running of business conducted by parliament and nothing to do with private matters of MP’s. and going on from that who the hell are the Lib Dems.
It’s about MPs breaking the law and the courts deciding so. You obviously like to pick and choose what laws are to be obeyed. Only the ones that suit you apparently.
the vote went against them 
