> oiltreader:
> Have a break from Brexit, have a laugh.
> youtube.com/watch?v=bp8aTvVqE7I
> Oily
Good Shout Oily - just what we need to lighten things 
Jesus wept, the bloody tories have once again reverted to type and betrayed the country, whoda thunk it.
May survives vote of confidence, i bloody give up.
One silver lining, and thatâs the end of the tory party, canât wait till the next general election, assuming the new european army arnât stomp down the lines at the polling stations in their new jackboots dealing democratically, zimbabwe/catalonia style, with anyone not toeing the party line 
TMâs ploy worked a treat she suckered them into letting her stay on in office buy saying she would not lead them into another election but its like a motor running on an empty fuel tank it aint going to travel very far and I can foresee Corbin and the SNP and others combining and voting no confidence in the government and trying to force a general election. According to Rees~Mogg most who kept her in the job tonight are on her pay roll so they were never going to vote against her, of the 160 or thereabouts who area not in ministerial posts of some sort 117 voted her out so she is going to have a hard job trying to get her crap Brexit deal through parliament as that 117 will make life very difficult plus all the others from the DUP and Labour parties who despise her deal as well.
Off to Brusselâs she goes tomorrow wasting more time and tax payers money only to be told the same story, there is no change to the deal. Its hard to know what the EU ministers think of our countries governing body other than what we think ourselves, its a bloody shambles and a disgrace, will this be sorted by 31st of March next year I doubt it very much, the democracy has gone and with it the hopes of 17.4 million Brits who voted to leave the EU and all wanted out and still do.
Personally I think the Queen should get involved and sack Theresa May for what she is trying to do is treason going against the will of the majority of the nations people, of course that is not going to happen but we desperately need something or somebody to intervein and stop this whole dam charade. If this deal ever gets passed it will go down in history as worse than either of the two world wars such is the severity of the consequences long term, just hoping for a miracle thatâs all there is left as far as imâe concerned, Buzzer.
Juddian:
Jesus wept, the bloody tories have once again reverted to type and betrayed the country, whoda thunk it.
May survives vote of confidence, i bloody give up.One silver lining, and thatâs the end of the tory party, canât wait till the next general election
What a surprise.The whole thing was just a pre arranged stunt for the benefit of the Tory remainer faithful.
On that note youâll be disappointed if you think that the Cons core vote base is fundamentally anti EU.Raab for example has almost 60% of the vote with a 23,000 majority while itâs a 60/40 remain constituency for just one example.With the BBC EU propaganda service also in celebratory mood at Mayâs local support in Maidenhead.Make no mistake Brexit is in the hands of an ideologically Europhile Federalist rabble in the form of the Tories.Nothing new there.Nor was this issue ever going to be settled by referendum and Cameron knew it.
Buzzer:
Personally I think the Queen should get involved and sack Theresa May for what she is trying to do is treason going against the will of the majority of the nations people, of course that is not going to happen but we desperately need something or somebody to intervein and stop this whole dam charade. If this deal ever gets passed it will go down in history as worse than either of the two world wars such is the severity of the consequences long term, just hoping for a miracle thatâs all there is left as far as imâe concerned, Buzzer.
The bigger question is why didnât the Queen and the forces get involved IN 1973 by arresting Heath for treason ?.Let alone just standing by when we signed up to Maastricht and Lisbon.Followed by the bombshell question was the Queen aware of FCO 30/1048 or was it also with held from her assuming she could care less anyway.Maybe some Conservative voters are only now suddenly finding out the difference between Nationalism v Federalism ( Unionism ).With us all in the British Isles actually being under the jack boot of foreign imposed Federalism since 1066 and the present puppet Europhile establishment just being the latest manifestation of that ongoing reich.
Well at least she can deal with her day job now, rather than be distracted by party infighting.
Edit. I suspect Larry will still continue as before, setting a fine example.
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How the establishment made sure that the 1975 referendum went their way with the help of the super rich.
Franglais:
Well at least she can deal with her day job now, rather than be distracted by party infighting.
The âparty infightingâ is all for show or Davis at least would have resigned the Conservative whip and crossed the floor to UKIP or at least stood as an independent.In his case at least triggering the nightmare scenario for May of a by election that will be all about her sell out of Brexit in a strong leave constituency.While âher day jobâ was always to sabotage delay and subvert Brexit from the point when Remain lost the referendum vote.Either by literally reversing the decision or as in this case a so called Brexit âdealâ which is actually Remain + and call that Brexit in the hope that the Leave side is too thick to notice.Hence Mayâs idea of the choice now being between Remain or Brexit in name only which not only keeps us tied to the EU but also removes any say we had ( Remain + ).When neither of those fit the definition of Leave.
As for the supposed âinfightingâ if itâs even half true then why do remainers think that only they have the god given right to ignore a vote and that those who voted against May will now suddenly give up.As opposed to them ignoring the Party ballot and continuing the fight even more fiercely than before knowing that their numbers give them the power to bring her stinking Remainer administration down whenever they choose.
cav551:
How the establishment made sure that the 1975 referendum went their way with the help of the super rich.
Thanks for linking that Cav, confess i hadnât seen it before.
Note how the outers/leavers 40 odd years later are still just as bloody stupid, fighting each other (bribed/blackmailed to do so?) hence divide and rule wins every time.
Terrified that being seen on the stage with or even agreeing behind the scenes to fight a ruthless enemy (complete with their bottomless fund of plunder) because someone deemed unacceptable by the state broadcaster and their MSM buddies, worried that Rupert and Tara, who wouldnât been seen in the same road as a working man and wouldnât vote against the establishment if they lived for a thousand years of their superior lives, would be upset and turn away from the NO/Leave campaignâŚfor Christs sake people Rupert and Tara wouldnât â â â â on us if we were on fire, they bloody hate us anyway as does their best mate Cameron and the rest of the Chipping Norton crew.
What the hell is the matter with people who want to see Britain free, now or back in the 70âs, you sometimes have to ally yourself with people whom you might not agree with for the greater good, ie weâve had to do that in times gone past, in previous centuries we fought the French many times, but to defeat national socialist German expansion/aggression we allied with the French and the communist Soviet Union, but the fifth column has run very deep since the second war and now seem unable to find a way to combine, pool our strengths and fight the common enemy.
What â â â â â â me off the most is that in the wars, and the rebuilding, and the phoney wars, the people who are not aggressors and not enemies are the working class in either Britain or France or Germany or Russia or Iraq, we ainât enemies, but itâs always the working class who get swept up into fighting the equally swept up working class of the other sideâŚsent by the elite or the more equal than others to fight the wars they, the elite create to suit their ends, and when the war is over you the working class are the dog turd under their shoe once more, just as you were 5 minutes before they needed your body for the enemy to target.
cav551:
How the establishment made sure that the 1975 referendum went their way with the help of the super rich.
I could not find the section in the above link earlier, however if you start at 17.00 it is revealed that the Common Market Commission was secretly funding the yes campaign.
cav551:
cav551:
How the establishment made sure that the 1975 referendum went their way with the help of the super rich.I could not find the section in the above link earlier, however if you start at 17.00 it is revealed that the Common Market Commission was secretly funding the yes campaign.
Yes that little gem registered, and who was that smarmy bleeder whoâs dad owned the Dorchester, wink wink smarm drop a name in here look at me ainât i such a jolly clever dandy , who spilled the beans that banks and big business (as well as the EU, using money weâd already paid in 
) were throwing money at the Yes campaign like confetti.
A good reminder, for those who thought she was the second coming, that Thatcher was a big part of the Yes campaign, it appears lots of people get the wrong idea about women supposed to be conservative, ie that they or their judgement can be trusted.
Bloody good job my mrs didnât see it all, or bang goes another screen.
Juddian:
cav551:
How the establishment made sure that the 1975 referendum went their way with the help of the super rich.Thanks for linking that Cav, confess i hadnât seen it before.
Note how the outers/leavers 40 odd years later are still just as bloody stupid, fighting each other (bribed/blackmailed to do so?) hence divide and rule wins every time.
Terrified that being seen on the stage with or even agreeing behind the scenes to fight a ruthless enemy (complete with their bottomless fund of plunder) because someone deemed unacceptable by the state broadcaster and their MSM buddies, worried that Rupert and Tara, who wouldnât been seen in the same road as a working man and wouldnât vote against the establishment if they lived for a thousand years of their superior lives, would be upset and turn away from the NO/Leave campaignâŚfor Christs sake people Rupert and Tara wouldnât â â â â on us if we were on fire, they bloody hate us anyway as does their best mate Cameron and the rest of the Chipping Norton crew.
What the hell is the matter with people who want to see Britain free, now or back in the 70âs, you sometimes have to ally yourself with people whom you might not agree with for the greater good, ie weâve had to do that in times gone past, in previous centuries we fought the French many times, but to defeat national socialist German expansion/aggression we allied with the French and the communist Soviet Union, but the fifth column has run very deep since the second war and now seem unable to find a way to combine, pool our strengths and fight the common enemy.
What â â â â â â me off the most is that in the wars, and the rebuilding, and the phoney wars, the people who are not aggressors and not enemies are the working class in either Britain or France or Germany or Russia or Iraq, we ainât enemies, but itâs always the working class who get swept up into fighting the equally swept up working class of the other sideâŚsent by the elite or the more equal than others to fight the wars they, the elite create to suit their ends, and when the war is over you the working class are the dog turd under their shoe once more, just as you were 5 minutes before they needed your body for the enemy to target.
Firstly the alliance with the soviet union in ww2 was a strange one bearing in mind it had originally and no surprise true to form of the expansionist Federalist ideology joined Germany in taking out Poland.Which of course is why we went to war with Germany.The question being why didnât we also declare war against Germanyâs ally the SU at that point ?.
While in the case of the EU weâve got the perfect storm of Soviet Socialists and Federalist/Globalist elites allied with each other because they both see an angle for the opportunity of a winner takes all take over of Europe for their respective agendas.If not even a hybrid of those agendas on a mutually beneficial power sharing basis.
All helped by the catch 22 of the usual bastion of the free world the USA itself being crippled by its own adherence to the Federal government system in which it obviously canât be seen to help secession within the EU without resurrecting the the old fears and wounds of secession at home.
Which explains why the US hasnât stopped this whole scam in its tracks by unilaterally de recognising the UKâs EU member status with immediate effect.Or for that matter raised the legal question as to the legality under international law of the EUâs invalid self appointed actions expected of a de Jure state.Let alone an internationally recognised De Facto state,in taking it on itself to think that it has the right to make trade deals and set out what it would like to think are its borders having never actually declared statehood in either form let alone gained international recognition as such.On that note Iâd suggest that the Treaty of Rome,the Single European Act,Maastricht and Lisbon are all illegal documents under international law without the EU first declaring De Jure let alone De Facto status as a Nation State in its own right.All of which adds to the case that not only is our EU membership illegal under UK constitutional law ( delegating sovereignty to a foreign power ),the EU itself is illegal under International Law.All of which could get very messy if/when the first EU army soldier shoots someone,under the non existent rules of war,provided by wearing the non existent uniform insignia and flag,of the non existent state of the EU.IE nothing more than a criminal terrorist who canât claim the protection of the Geneva convention as a legitimate combatant wearing a legitimate uniform of a legitimately declared and recognised state.Itâs ironic that some say that Putinâs regime is a gas company with an army.When itâs actually the EU which is really the German BDI etc setting themselves up as a country but also now going for an army.
I always thought Brexit was a Tory thing - are we now to now believe it was a conspiracy to keep the rich in power â â
whisperingsmith:
I always thought Brexit was a Tory thing - are we now to now believe it was a conspiracy to keep the rich in power â â
In Remainer logic that must explain why the EU has attracted such working class crusading notables as Heath,Thatcher,Major,Blair,Cameron and May and the CBI.All allied with UNITEâs leadership and ex Commy stasi operatives like Merkel in their rush to hand over the country to others like Juncker and Tusk and assorted German plutocrats and the banker elites like Macron.
whisperingsmith:
I always thought Brexit was a Tory thing - are we now to now believe it was a conspiracy to keep the rich in power â â
It is unusual in being a cross party left/right issue, isnât it?
Plenty of support and opposition from all sides.
I see some âleaversâ seem to be isolationist wanting tariffs against imports, although many of those leading the exit campaign are total âfree marketeersâ.
Seems very peculiar to me. Those wanting to protect UK industry and jobs, rushing away from a protected market?
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Things donât move on then, TM has wasted her time once again going to Brussels and pleading with them on the backstop issue. Jean Claud Junker sat in his bunker and flatly refused any movement, no doubt TM will have a different story to tell us on her return but apparently he told her we were " nebulous & imprecise " and we should state what we want instead of asking the EU what they will give. We needed someone to go in there and just tell what we were going to do and let them make the running.
A sad and sorry mess once again which will drag on through Christmas and maybe not only this year either the way things are going despite TM stating we will be leaving on the 31st of March regardless, sounds like another lie to me although it has been stated many times over the last few weeks. Seems like me Dennis and good old CF and a few other leavers posting on here are not going to get the Christmas present that was on all our lists but we must live in hope we do get it even if it is delivered a little late, Buzzer.
Franglais:
whisperingsmith:
I always thought Brexit was a Tory thing - are we now to now believe it was a conspiracy to keep the rich in power â â
It is unusual in being a cross party left/right issue, isnât it?
Plenty of support and opposition from all sides.I see some âleaversâ seem to be isolationist wanting tariffs against imports, although many of those leading the exit campaign are total âfree marketeersâ.
Seems very peculiar to me. Those wanting to protect UK industry and jobs, rushing away from a protected market?
The Remain side is led by such bastions of protectionism as the CBI and the banking sector and Conservative PMâs from Heath to May including Thatcher.
As for the EU being a âprotected marketâ you mean a protected market in which weâve got the employer classes taking advantage of lower East Euro wage levels and expectations.In addition to numerous other rules enforcing âcompetitionâ not protection to the point where anyone selling cheap Chinese crap can use EU competition rules,against price fixing,to take maximum advantage of the profits which cheap Chinese labour provides v their UK product selling competitors.While by definition the âsingle European marketâ is the total opposite of a protected National market.While itâs obvious that whatever âprotectionâ there might be in the EU in no way benefits Britain as opposed to German interests.Such as crippling beneficial UK US trade at the expense of adding to our unsustainable trade deficit with Germany/EU.
As for âfree marketeers leading Brexitâ we obviously canât have the argument between protectionism v free markets while we remain shackled to the EU regime and we return the countryâs sovereignty.So itâs obviously a case of my enemyâs enemy is my friend in that regard.Just as your lot is made up of an alliance ranging from the banker classes to Soviet Socialists.
I do agree with you and Junker about summat there Buzzer: the Gov doesnât know what it wants.
You are quite clear about your views on Brexit, of course, but the Gov Brexit faction really arenât are they?
Some want a trade deal with no strings attached, some want a total break. One faction are for the UK being totally free trade, others seem to talk of tariffs and barriers.
âBrexit means Brexitâ means many different things depending on who you ask.
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Buzzer:
TM has wasted her time once again going to Brussels and pleading with them on the backstop issue. Jean Claud Junker sat in his bunker and flatly refused any movement, no doubt TM will have a different story to tell us on her return but apparently he told her we were " nebulous & imprecise " and we should state what we want instead of asking the EU what they will give. We needed someone to go in there and just tell what we were going to do and let them make the running.
Itâs obvious that the âsomeoneâ couldnât possibly be part of the Conservative European Federalist Party.
As for telling Juncker what we are going to do firstly there is no backstop issue in that the Irish border and UK Eire relationship reverts by default to its pre 1973 status.The European Communities Act is torn up retrospectively to apply 1/1/1973 which includes the juristiction of the ECJ here.Feel free to apply trade sanctions to UK exports to the EU in the knowledge that any such sanctions will be met with immediate and punishing retaliatory measures.In addition to which the UK is now in negotiations with the US administration regarding the whole legal basis of EU recognition by us both,our case being that is an illegal,corrupt,rogue government masquerading as a suuposed National entity by definition together with non existent rights to set trade policy among its equally illegally designated âmember statesâ,or claim/designate any illegal EU National border.Let alone the legality of any military force claiming EU identity.We are sure that the Russian members of the UN council will support us in using its VETO to help smash this stinking rogue illegal organisation falsely claiming statehood.Now awaits remainers calling me a traitor to the stinking non existent country of the EU. 
Franglais:
I do agree with you and Junker about summat there Buzzer: the Gov doesnât know what it wants.
You are quite clear about your views on Brexit, of course, but the Gov Brexit faction really arenât are they?
Some want a trade deal with no strings attached, some want a total break. One faction are for the UK being totally free trade, others seem to talk of tariffs and barriers.âBrexit means Brexitâ means many different things depending on who you ask.
The âgovernmentâ in the form of the Conservative Party and its parliamentary allies is a lost cause to the EU Federal project.On that note itâs the same Party now as it was in 1973 when it took us into the illegal quasi European Federal government.As such it knows exactly what it wants in reversing the non binding Leave referendum decision.The referendum always being about a rigged process confirming Remain.It was never about delivering any Leave vote in this case obviously being the unplanned for result of something having gone wrong with that vote rigging operation.
Gove obviously just being one more part of the diversionary pretence,being used by the Cons,to fool the Leave vote into believing that the Cons are delivering Brexit.When itâs clearly just the choice between Remain + dressed up as Brexit to fool the gullible or Remain as would be expected of the Party which took us into the EU and backed further integration.
Brexit means Brexit can only possibly mean returning us to the independent sovereign nation status we had before 1973.We didnât vote for any so called âdealâ which keeps us under the EUâs rule in whatever form.By definition any such âdealâ not fitting the definition of Brexit and lying Tories like Gove know it.
IE we didnât vote for any âdealâ let alone when such a deal provides the EU with continuing juristiction of the ECJ here,or access to our fishing grounds,or control over our domestic/foreign/trade policies,or the continuing drain on our finances of our EU âcontributionsâ.While anyone who says that âBrexitâ can be compatible with any of those is obviously just a lying remainer,if not illegal foreign EU infiltration,trying to fool what they see as thick leave voters.