ERF 'European' (1975)

Philippe did draw my attention to the fact that the turntable was set too far back (directly over the drive axle), but I wonder if that was for better traction in the woods. The reason I’m putting a lot of pics of this vehicle on here is because, apart from Corbishley’s beast, this is the ONLY remaining intact NGC that we know about. Robert :open_mouth:


ERF-Continental:
@Robert…should be a once in a lifetime restauration-project approaching a possible semi-retirement?

I wish I had the premises, the expertise and the money! (Clock these indicators Nemercman!). Robert :smiley:

What was by the way the asking price in REVS? Was Rene Postma / Interwheels (again) involved?

If somebody acquires this NGC, I’ll donate a brand-new (but original) ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■
(the cross-logo) as well as complete documentation in French!

ERF-Continental:
What was by the way the asking price in REVS? Was Rene Postma / Interwheels (again) involved?

I’ve no idea. Jerry Cooke told me about it. Jerry would love to restore it - and he’d be the perfect man for the job - but like me he wonders where the dosh would come from. Haven’t heard from Jerry for a while - give us a shout mate if you’re out there! Robert :smiley:



It wouldn’t be a little project, preserving this.You’d need to discuss funding for import.
You’d need to discuss funding for recovery. Who would be able to arrange the recovery or must you hire recovery?
You’d need to discuss secure storage.
You’d need to discuss funding for restoration.
You’d need to discuss on-going costs once restoration is complete. How would you fund maintenance, parts, tax, insurance, MOT, storage, fuel, security etc? How would these costs square with your imminent pensioner incomes? Financially, preserving a vehicle is all about expenditure and never about income. Ironically, it will bring you the most joy in retirement.
Perhaps you should consider a consortium of like-minded, committed people to share co-ownership, co-responsibility, co-labour and time, and co-financial burdens. Who would you want ‘in’ on this and who can you trust? Who has the commitment, expertise and time?
You’d need a preliminary visit to assess the viability of a restoration project and the condition of the vehicle. You’d need to assess, too, the viability of recovery and access to the site. You’d need to assess the vulnerability of the unit during movement. If the unit is driveable it will help. It may be necessary to make a second visit to clear the site of plants and obstacles.
You’d need to find out how to export and import the vehicle. As it is not driveable on the road, you’d have to export it from France and import it into UK.
You’d need to discuss the security of the unit once in storage: vandalism or pilfered parts could spell disaster for a vehicle as rare as this.
You could liaise with Gary Corbishley and Jerry Cooke for advice about the preservation project and advice about the procurement of spare parts.
You’d need to discuss livery. If not wishing to preserve it as it is, you might consider using Trans Arabia, Eric Vick, Richard Read or Vijore which has more scope for creativity (visors and Kaisors). You’d need to get permission from them.
You’d need to find out how to register the unit: as it is an import you’d need to obtain a year-authentic number plate. If it is available, it would be desirable to obtain one from KFH 248P to 251P if they match the year of the lorry’s manufacture.
Issues of insurance, tax and MOT would need to be explored.
Would you be prepared to travel long-distance to the project on a regular basis and would this affect your sense of commitment?
You’d need to discuss the future of rallying the unit. This should be the least of your problems and a joy to all.
Then there’s the question of obtaining a period trailer… Robert :open_mouth:

Hiya i think i should have her

You’re right Robert, it is not all about emotions…the tilt should be an ‘easy’ one…wide spread hamburger verdeck
trailor, van hool, fruehauf, pacton, cardi, lag, but the things around will cauze extra attention, energy, money.

Suppose restauration would be a roughly 15.000 euro…with 15 regular participants (and mechanics with contacts)
it would be a 1.500euro project…with a project-span of 5 years…‘just’ a 300euro leisure and less than a crate of
Shepperd Neame every fortnight :slight_smile:

Hiya …trailer spread axle van for sale

The 5th wheel position will be so it can accept a trailer with a 1.6m pin position and also to put the (legal in France) 13t through the drive axle without overloading the front axle :wink:

newmercman:
The 5th wheel position will be so it can accept a trailer with a 1.6m pin position and also to put the (legal in France) 13t through the drive axle without overloading the front axle :wink:

hey New merc man you can have right,the Franch could use them longer as we; They got with their oldies 44t update
we stayed at 38 because of the frontaxle,stupid law. But for some short wheelbases we set the pin on 1.45 instead of 1.60.

Cheers Eric,

3300John:
Hiya i think i should have her …at least i,ve got new indicators for her. i’ll be serious if i’d have known about her 5 years ago
when i got my 3300 space cab i would have had the ERF for certain. Robert PM me with the price please.i’am selling my AEC
this year. you never know…there would be no import duty she coming home so that,s nil. if you run her as a unit 10 would be possible
my DAF would do 15mpg.i,am lucky i live in a radius of 20 miles where there are 10 shows a year which is enough, especially Kelsal
(official ERF rally) is only 12 miles away.
John

Hi John! As I’ve already said, I don’t know the price. It was advertised in REVs magazine a couple of years ago, I don’t know which issue. Cheers. Robert

ERF-Continental:
You’re right Robert, it is not all about emotions…the tilt should be an ‘easy’ one…wide spread hamburger verdeck
trailor, van hool, fruehauf, pacton, cardi, lag, but the things around will cauze extra attention, energy, money.

Suppose restauration would be a roughly 15.000 euro…with 15 regular participants (and mechanics with contacts)
it would be a 1.500euro project…with a project-span of 5 years…‘just’ a 300euro leisure and less than a crate of
Shepperd Neame every fortnight :slight_smile:

Hello A-J! I’ve not said a single word about emotions.
Actually, the tilt would be a really hard part as 12m tilts are rarer than NGCs! When Euroliners were invented the Russians systematically bought up cheaply all the tilts in Europe in any condition (I even sold my tilt to them). And what was left went down to the Gulf as ‘sellers’. You can’t find them now, not even 13.6m ones.
As for 15,000 Euros: I think that was the kind of sum they were asking for it! Robert

I don’t know whether it’s still there, but laid up in a yard in Kent there used to be this American-built Strick 'fridge trailer with Trilex wheels, the spread of which was adjustable! I actually used to pull this trailer back in the early '80s. A fine period trailer. It is pictured below. Robert

newmercman:
The 5th wheel position will be so it can accept a trailer with a 1.6m pin position and also to put the (legal in France) 13t through the drive axle without overloading the front axle :wink:

Cheers Newmercman, I imagined that there would be a legit reason! Robert :smiley:

Hiya i know where there,s

3300John:
Hiya i know where there,s a Beresford,s tilt still intact. it would be one that GEH pulled when Albert run his 7MW.
John

That would be an amazing match, especially if the unit were painted up in those very tasteful Beresford colours. Then we could send Harry to Switzerland in it for some shed-therapy! Robert :smiley:

Indeed a good match…however to favour other participants over here
perhaps a "neutral’ livery in orange and simply “ERF Demonstrator”? On the
bumper in capital “ERF EUROPEAN”? Even “EUROTEST” would suit very well.

Imagine a “Thibaut” Trailor Savoyarde, a “Van Steenbergen” L.A.G., a “Van Uden” Pacton pops-up somewhere?

You then could imitate the various demonstrations throughout Europe with the “Beresford” as well!