DEANB:
What do you make of this Robert ■■ I thought South African at first but then a closer look and it looked
like there were parts of the motor panel MW7 cab used. The front has that bit where it sticks out from
under the windscreen . May have been a prototype for one of the South African ones ■■ Does not have a
split windscreen like the South African ones ?
We’ve had that on this thread before, Dean. It’s a South African A-series with a locally built cab (probably Santini) and I admit it echoes the 7MW cab, probably deliberately. It had a ■■■■■■■ NTC 250 and a Fuller RTO9509A. The 2nd pic is another locally-built ERF. Robert
EDTRUCK:
Good afternoon Deanb and ERF NGC European,
Whilst looking for another heavy haulage tractor to restore, I have been in contact with the MD of Transports Brame P , in WINTZENHEIM near Colmar in France.
An email I received from them contained the following which I am not sure as to whether you are aware of regarding the NGC they had - it sounds as if they had a second one too!
Hello.
Yes indeed we had an ERF which unfortunately has been damaged, this vehicle has been removed to make the spare vehicle .
A person in England, was interested in this vehicle, so we sent him pictures.
Nice day.
Kind regards
Brame
I wonder if it was your good selves he sent the pictures to?
Regards
Ed
Dean knows more about this. He reported recently on here that Brame P’s NGC had been involved in an accident and was cannibalised for parts. As they also had a couple of Ford Transcontinentals with the same driveline, it is more likely that the parts went to them rather than a second NGC. Nonetheless, we should keep our minds open for a possible 2nd one! Thanks for your contribution Ed.
The only picture we have is the one Dean posted on the previous page. Apparently Brame has no further pictures. Robert
DEANB:
What do you make of this Robert ■■ I thought South African at first but then a closer look and it looked
like there were parts of the motor panel MW7 cab used. The front has that bit where it sticks out from
under the windscreen . May have been a prototype for one of the South African ones ■■ Does not have a
split windscreen like the South African ones ?
We’ve had that on this thread before, Dean. It’s a South African A-series with a locally built cab (probably Santini) and I admit it echoes the 7MW cab, probably deliberately. It had a ■■■■■■■ NTC 250 and a Fuller RTO9509A. The 2nd pic is another locally-built ERF. Robert
Cheers i knew the second one was,but dont recall seeing that first one before !
EDTRUCK:
Good afternoon Deanb and ERF NGC European,
Whilst looking for another heavy haulage tractor to restore, I have been in contact with the MD of Transports Brame P , in WINTZENHEIM near Colmar in France.
An email I received from them contained the following which I am not sure as to whether you are aware of regarding the NGC they had - it sounds as if they had a second one too!
Hello.
Yes indeed we had an ERF which unfortunately has been damaged, this vehicle has been removed to make the spare vehicle .
A person in England, was interested in this vehicle, so we sent him pictures.
Nice day.
Kind regards
Brame
I wonder if it was your good selves he sent the pictures to?
Regards
Ed
Well Ed, who did you actually deal with there ■■? All of my messages from them were in French.
But they did confirm that they only had 1 NGC but they did have 2 Ford Transcontinentals.I was
told by the owner that this had an accident and was broken ? He never sent me any pics as he
said he could not find any ? Can you send him another message and see if he will send you pics,
and ask him to confirm how many they had ?
I have been in correspondence with Jean Pierre Brame, who has been very helpful in providing information.
I was enquiring about the Willeme and Tractomas they ran, as I am looking for another Heavy tractor to restore, so all our correspondence has been in French .
From reading his last message, it could indeed be construed that the second vehicle was probably a Transcontinental and not an NGC since the seconf paragraph say “interest in this vehicle” NOT vehicles ( Une personne en Angleterre , était intéressé par ce véhicule , nous lui avons envoyé des photos)
I have sent a message to him to ask for clarity on did they have one or two NGC tractors and the relevant registration numbersi- I will advise upon reply,
I have been in correspondence with Jean Pierre Brame, who has been very helpful in providing information.
I was enquiring about the Willeme and Tractomas they ran, as I am looking for another Heavy tractor to restore, so all our correspondence has been in French .
From reading his last message, it could indeed be construed that the second vehicle was probably a Transcontinental and not an NGC since the seconf paragraph say “interest in this vehicle” NOT vehicles ( Une personne en Angleterre , était intéressé par ce véhicule , nous lui avons envoyé des photos)
I have sent a message to him to ask for clarity on did they have one or two NGC tractors and the relevant registration numbersi- I will advise upon reply,
Regards
Ed
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Brilliant! Thank you for your interest Ed . Robert
I have been in correspondence with Jean Pierre Brame, who has been very helpful in providing information.
I was enquiring about the Willeme and Tractomas they ran, as I am looking for another Heavy tractor to restore, so all our correspondence has been in French .
From reading his last message, it could indeed be construed that the second vehicle was probably a Transcontinental and not an NGC since the seconf paragraph say “interest in this vehicle” NOT vehicles ( Une personne en Angleterre , était intéressé par ce véhicule , nous lui avons envoyé des photos)
I have sent a message to him to ask for clarity on did they have one or two NGC tractors and the relevant registration numbersi- I will advise upon reply,
Regards
Ed
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Hello Ed, I did ask him for a reg,but he told me they did not have it so i will be intrested to see if he
does send some photos ■■ Havent a clue who he sent pics to in the UK ■■
Now here’s something regular visitors to this thread might like to get to grips with this weekend! Early in the thread we had the odd ERF NGC brochure posted on here (probably by me!) but we have never had a range of them to compare together. Obviously, I compared them when I was writing the first book, and that with the help of those few on here who possess sets of brochures; but it might be useful if other brains examined them too. You may see patterns that I haven’t spotted.
There are lots of variations with various dates and in various languages. I have only seven of them:
Many details change between them. For example, later ones don’t offer an alternative Gardner engine (and we now know that no NGC was fitted with one); some offer an alternative RT 9513 and some an RTO 9513 and so on.
I have decided to post all my scans on here for you all to scrutinise. You’ll find some red-herrings like the alternative straight-framed lightweight chassis that is offered but we don’t have any evidence of any being produced (in Book one I point out that this is probably because you could already have that option with the cheaper 5MW).
Importantly, if any of you have NGC brochures other than the ones I am posting below, please scan and post them so that we can use all available resources in our quest!
That’s it. I reiterate the point that if anyone has brochures marked at the bottom of page 6 with a different code or date from those posted on here, please bung 'em on here for us to make proper comparisons! Robert
E01/E customers had the choice of a Gardner 8LXB engine, but others did not. There are also differences in the gross weights of the rigids and lower-powered tractors, compared to the other issues. The NGC 360 seems to have been upgraded to an NGC 380 for the Danish market.
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anorak:
E01/E customers had the choice of a Gardner 8LXB engine, but others did not. There are also differences in the gross weights of the rigids and lower-powered tractors, compared to the other issues. The NGC 360 seems to have been upgraded to an NGC 380 for the Danish market.
Thanks for checking Anorak! I suspect they dropped the Gardners when there was no take-up. D stands for Dutch language (rather than Denmark). The whole 360, 380 420 part of the code seems to me to have been more or less irrelevant because each country had its own weight limits with UK @ 32-tonnes at one extreme and Holland with 50-tonnes at the other. For this reason, I never use that part of the code in my references. It appears that all of them were actually 420s anyway because the ones we know about seem to be standard heavy-duty spec; and they would simply have been plated at permissible weights according to their country of operation. Robert
May I remind TN members to store pictures on their laptops and back them up on memory sticks or hard-drives. Using an outside agency to store your e-photos clearly doesn’t work. The effect that Photobucket’s recent action has had on this forum is devastating to say the very least. Threads like the Astran one have been ruined and some threads have been rendered utterly useless. Modern laptops have a massive capacity so there is no longer any need to outsource your photo storage. I don’t even trust I-cloud! Robert
ERF-NGC-European:
May I remind TN members to store pictures on their laptops and back them up on memory sticks or hard-drives. Using an outside agency to store your e-photos clearly doesn’t work. The effect that Photobucket’s recent action has had on this forum is devastating to say the very least. Threads like the Astran one have been ruined and some threads have been rendered utterly useless. Modern laptops have a massive capacity so there is no longer any need to outsource your photo storage. I don’t even trust I-cloud! Robert
So-called clouds are a money-grubbing con, IMO. Why should anyone need to store data remotely, when a cheap PC has 1TB of storage on it? OK, there is the issue of back-ups, but an old PC with another terabyte disc in it can be left next to the router. Do not trust any website which offers to store your information. The solution is for TNUK members to copy pictures off those hoarding sites and post them here. I have joined Pinterest for that very purpose LOL. ■■ 'em.
. Robert
Robert