Apologies if you found it boring sir, I was merely attempting to correct Orys on some of his misconceptions, and I for one feel its more appropriate than the earlier anti-foreigner rants on here. Anyway thread-drift makes life more exciting. 
Gets tin hat on and takes coverā¦
hi, i cant do anything else other than agree with you 100% buycrider, i came on this thread to voice my beef about losing my job to eu drivers, i mentioned no country, just the facts that all the hauliers are up against it, and at the end of the line is the driver, and in my case eu drivers offered to work for Ā£2.50 an hour less, no night out money and weekended in the cab, i cant compete with that, i dont want to, granted i am unemployed and signed on, on wednesday. but i will be back on the road, and i wont cut anothers drivers throat to be there,
dunno where all the politics and geography and history come from on this thread? 
hope i drive before i get old 
biggusdickusgb:
the hole is getting deeper orys, stop digging.
It wasnāt me who started to dig for some particulars instead of reading with understanding what idea I am trying to tell about. But I can stop, becouseā¦
that line alone means you were on about british colonies, but due to your lack of knowledge on the subject half of the countries you quoted have never had any british influence.
ā¦as we can see from this example you are not reading nothing I am writing here.
former glories make you jealous of us, itās our history (good and bad) and we canāt change it.
maybe poland could team up with the lithuanians and become strong again, because they appear to have been [zb] on by everyone else since the middle to late 18th century.
I am not jealous. In fact I am happy with that Poland was never supressing any third world countries. But I dare to tell that your colonial history has strong influence on your economy till this days, and I think if you just think about it as a whole and wonāt try to find where I was wrong in some irrelevant minor information, youāll propably agree with me.
As for your knowledge of Polish history from example quoted above you seems to know enaugh
Buycrider:
Orys is rapidly becoming a bit of a bore. He seems to have taken on the mantle of Arse-whipper- in- Chief of all things British.
I am not telling that everything British is bad. There is a reason why I am here (and I did not came here forced by my financial situation). I just see that Britain is not a Paradise on Earth, and you just seem to be unhappy that some outsider is taking your dirty washing out.
A few weeks back, he was extolling the virtues of the employment prospects for unemployed British Truckers in his homeland of Poland.
And as one of the posts above shows it is happening much faster than I expectedā¦ See:
Simon_1982:
And some bad news (but I love it) 15 british drivers decided to go to poland to work for one of the biggest international companies, Iām going with them and I must admit Iām not gonna treat them as they treated me. But some other polish who lived in england swear they gonna make their lives tough.Thatās the way it is, everything changes.
Buycrider:
This from a guy who has, for the last few months, if my memory serves me correctly, been unable to find gainful employment in the Glasgow area
There is plenty of experienced, British class one drivers on this forum who canāt find a full time employment, so it should be no wonder that I, Polish class two driver with only three years experience and without too many contacts, canāt find a proper part time driving job being available only on weekendsā¦
, since he, for some reason, lost his previous driving job.It appears that he is not prepared to apply for one of those Polish vacancies himself.
If reason is unknown for you, please donāt start make your opinion. I quit my job as I decided to commence full time university education and this is not a secret even on that forum. Therefore, obviously, I am not prepared for Polish vacancies, at it would be a bit hard to work in Poland while attending full time course in Glasgow Uniā¦
We are now being castigated for our Colonial past. One thing which he seems to have overlooked, insofar as Zimbabwe is concerned, is that the British developed Rhodesia, after it colonised whatever it was called before Cecil Rhodes set foot in the place, into the Breadbasket of Africa. Mr. Mugabe has turned it into the Starvation , and Cholera capital of Africa.So we have not got a lot to be ashamed of on that particular score.The initial thread was about āEnglish Workā. It now seems to have become an intellectual discussion about Britain,s Post Colonial decline, which I feel would be better suited to an Open University Forum.
Mugabe is another case. But history of this part of the World not starts with Cecil Rhodes, even if that how it looks from Britain. I think that they would be much better without Mugabe, Cecil Rhodes and any other White People who came there before they were prepared to become a partner for White Man.
And I also agree that this post is not only about English Work any longer and itās coming slightly off-topic 
but I am happy that I could learn a lot here - not only about history, but also about British society, British point of wiev etc. I would like to thank all of you who participate in it
Buycrider:
The initial thread was about āEnglish Workā. It now seems to have become an intellectual discussion about Britain,s Post Colonial decline, which I feel would be better suited to a Glasgow University Students Union Forum
Please accept my apologies Orys. For Open University Forum, please read Glasgow University Students Union Forum.( Or Strathclyde University or summat similar). I stand by the rest of my comment.
Simon_1982:
Hello another Polish here and what I wanna say is one of the main reasons you can see so many eastern europeans trucks on english roads is eastern europeans countries are developing. Your country has come to a standstill.
And some good news for ya. My Polish friends in the UK have gone back to Poland. In the area where I live (East Midlands, Nottingham) they didnāt stand any chance to find work. Iām packing up as well (i know you must be happy), I sent 160 cv and cover letters and havenāt found anything. Jobs for so called jonnies foreigners in employment agancies have simply dried up or are scarce.Eastern Europeans are not to blame. Itās not their fault that British canāt find work. The economic downturn, the uk immigration policy etc are to blame.
This may be true but we should pull out of the so called EU, it is not your fault you are a Mr Sheen but everytime I have seen a pole driving there driving has not been up to scratch and they have been seen deficating all over the lay byās and services and there have often been toilets within the near vicinity. Surely even you can see that image given off is not good and this tarās all poles or Mr Sheens with the same brush, if this is the image your people portray why should I or other people not take a disliking to the Polish??
And some bad news (but I love it) 15 british drivers decided to go to poland to work for one of the biggest international companies, Iām going with them and I must admit Iām not gonna treat them as they treated me. But some other polish who lived in england swear they gonna make their lives tough.
Thatās obviously their choice and I personally wish them luck as if what the foreigners do to our lay byās ect is anything to go by then your roads must be full of faeces and stink of urineā¦
Thatās the way it is, everything changes.
Edited by Mad Dan comments addedā¦
Mad dan:
but everytime I have seen a pole driving there driving has not been up to scratch
How can you tell that they are Polish? Have they written it in the forehead or what?
and they have been seen deficating all over the lay byās and services and there have often been toilets within the near vicinity.
As it was mentioned in that forum, plenty Brits were seen in similar situation as well. And as a long time agency driver I can tell you that hygiene standard in British vans is appaling. Throwing rubbish behind the seat in your own lorry is not as popular in Poland as it seems to be hereā¦
But again: all that stupid stereotypes are not relevant and talking about it is just a waste of timeā¦
Thatās obviously their choice and I personally wish them luck as if what the foreigners do to our lay byās ect is anything to go by then your roads must be full of faeces and stink of urineā¦
Not yet, but British drivers are starting to move thereā¦
orys:
biggusdickusgb:
the hole is getting deeper orys, stop digging.It wasnāt me who started to dig for some particulars instead of reading with understanding what idea I am trying to tell about. But I can stop, becouseā¦
that line alone means you were on about british colonies, but due to your lack of knowledge on the subject half of the countries you quoted have never had any british influence.
ā¦as we can see from this example you are not reading nothing I am writing here.
you obviously have a superior inteligence than me, because i can only read what you write.
i canāt read between the lines or know whats in your head because i failed to do my clairvoyancy exam.
you were having a dig at our colonial past, you never mentioned a wider colonial view.
you asked for ex british colonies that are now rich, i quoted you three, you then wanted a different timescale, i gave you that as well.
because that still didnāt suit your argument you then quoted some countries, half of which never had any british involvement and now youāve realised youāre still not winning, iām in the wrong because i canāt read your mind.
iāll still support you against the xenophobes on here, but donāt come on here having a go at british history especially when you donāt know what youāre talking about.
Oryās; I am simply pointing out my own views I have spoken to many drivers that are Poles and I have also had words with a few that I have seen deficating and pointed out that this is not acceptable. Everytime I have spoken to a Pole they have been ignorant and given that funny laugh they all seem to do, on one occasion the dairy were due to change shift I was being loaded and a Pole turned up, he was told on several occasions he had to back onto a bay. He just sort of laughed and sat inn his truck. The load master got ā ā ā ā ā ā of I tried to help and went and explained to him what he must doā¦after 5 mins I did this again eventually after he had laughed a few times I gave up and he stayed say there for another 5 mins blocking the yard up before backing onto the bayā¦
This is why I have a disliking to them, tell me if you think I am wrong but the tar brush coats ALL not just one. I am not perfect but do have certain standards and have found their nationality to be abhorently rude on every occasion our paths have had an unfortunate crossing, I have therefore been totally put off the Polish and have no desire to talk to these drivers anymore I will now just sit back and laughā¦I hope you can see where I am coming from on this one and appreciate my views even if yours are different.
biggusdickusgb:
you obviously have a superior inteligence than me, because i can only read what you write.
So I will write it again from the beginning, as I owe you some explanationā¦
orys:
Also Poland was never lucky enaugh to build up national wealth on the back of the other nation This is a statement about colonialism at all. By that I meant that Poland was never a benefitiant of the colonial system, unlike other countries (and Britain is one of them).all that wealth gained from the colonies is now belongs to UK
By that I meant that all welath gained from the British colonies, as itās obvious that I wasnāt trying to tell you that you were bbenfiting from German, Italian or Portugeese colonies
even if the colonies are now free (did anybody seen rich ex-colonial country?)
By ācolonies, which are now freeā I mean ex-colonial country who are now belongs to itās original people. Canada, New Zealand, Australia in my opinion are not ex-colonial countries, who are now belongs to itās original people. This countries I would rather clasify as colonies, who went indenpendent (as a opposite to colonies, who went liquidated, like most African countries). I donāt know how else to explain it. Let say: British people, style of life, organizations etc, backed off the Africa, while they are still active in countries you mentioned, only difference is that they are now indenpendent from former HQ in London.
I hope it will be now all clear and youāll see why our discussion was simply the waste of time. Please, this time do not try to find some holes in my thinking when I am trying to provide examples, just pick up an idea and then agree with it or not
Mad dan:
Oryās; I am simply pointing out my own views I have spoken to many drivers that are Poles and I have also had words with a few that I have seen deficating and pointed out that this is not acceptable. Everytime I have spoken to a Pole they have been ignorant and given that funny laugh they all seem to do, on one occasion the dairy were due to change shift I was being loaded and a Pole turned up, he was told on several occasions he had to back onto a bay. He just sort of laughed and sat inn his truck. The load master got ā ā ā ā ā ā of I tried to help and went and explained to him what he must doā¦after 5 mins I did this again eventually after he had laughed a few times I gave up and he stayed say there for another 5 mins blocking the yard up before backing onto the bayā¦This is why I have a disliking to them, tell me if you think I am wrong but the tar brush coats ALL not just one. I am not perfect but do have certain standards and have found their nationality to be abhorently rude on every occasion our paths have had an unfortunate crossing, I have therefore been totally put off the Polish and have no desire to talk to these drivers anymore I will now just sit back and laughā¦I hope you can see where I am coming from on this one and appreciate my views even if yours are different.
I am sure that you are not making it up and that there is plenty of Polish people who arenāt not to the top standards. I can also give you many examples of British people, who are living or behaving below every standards (especially from last weekend, when I was working as an market research interviewer on Glasgow Maryhill area. I called to one flat (i donāt give you exact adress for obvious reason, but it was on Kirkhill road or drive) where women, who opened me was just black of dirt and there was a ā ā ā in the bucket in the middle of her hall covered by rubbish. She was speaking with strong glaswegian accent, but I only managed to tell her āsorry, wrong adressā and ran away as fast as I could. I can tell you about many Brits who behave badly, who were agressive, who were littering on the road (notice, that we donāt need road signs ādo not litter when waiting for green lightā in Poland and I can find many things, where British standards are lower than Polish (littering is a major one). Off course I can also find plenty things where Britain is much better then we are.
My point is: do not judge on your own experience, especially, that most guys who you met are from lower part of society. As for example of guy who was blocking the yard when told to back up the lock: maybe he was just donāt speaking English (which is, in my opinion inacceptable, as I thing if you gonna to work to another country you should speak at last few basic words).
So: Donāt start a competition āwho seen more badly behaving members of other nationā as it simply has no sense. Please, speak on facts.
Sorry Orys but if we are not going to judge on our own experience then what are we going to use? What we see on tv? What we read in newspapers? Things we see on internet forums?
tofer:
Sorry Orys but if we are not going to judge on our own experience then what are we going to use? What we see on tv? What we read in newspapers? Things we see on internet forums?
Using own experience is not bad itself, but you have always to think that you arenāt in ācentral positionā.
For example: if I would make my opinion on British people basing of my experience from my driving job and then basing only on my university experience, it would be totally differentā¦
Also: my position is different, becouse I am a stranger so I expect all people here to be strange for me. You are judging foreigners using your own measurementsā¦
But tell me: would you be pleased if I would spread my opinion about Brits basing at the examples of NEDs which whom I had to work at the beginning of my trucking career here?
bubsy06:
āā¦ If [G]od wanted us to be part of [E]urope he would of joined us to itā¦ā
He did by having Ted Heath as His deputy in the early 1970ās and we voters have been too blinkered/compliant/stupid/dull by voting for āmainstreamā parties (who have all given & increasingly give lots of our tax money to the Euro-farce) ever since: Every day itās millions of squidsā¦!
(This post isnāt too hard to grasp, but here goes)
Q. You vote for any of the main three parties and you whinge about Europe?
A. Then consider owning the consequence of your (in)action because on your behalf, the politico mandarins all love it since, not least, itās another gravy-train option when theyāre washed-up in Whitehall.
Unless youāre under eighteen, convicted in jail or sectioned under a Mental Health Act, a solution to futile, Euro-focussed whingeing is in your handsā¦
well this is me sat at home at the age of 48 with no job no truck and not a sniff of work, went round all the local firms yesterday robsons of boston, freshlinc, turners, masons, fowler welch, marshalls benton bros all said the same keep in touch, but i see a lot of foreign name plates in the windowscreens of trucks now surely they are the ones that should be sat at home in there ative countries and let us local lads work.
how right you are, not a sniffter, yet there are some on this site, who think were not trying,lol,
V8 Passion:
well this is me sat at home at the age of 48 with no job no truck and not a sniff of work, went round all the local firms yesterday robsons of boston, freshlinc, turners, masons, fowler welch, marshalls benton bros all said the same keep in touch, but i see a lot of foreign name plates in the windowscreens of trucks now surely they are the ones that should be sat at home in there ative countries and let us local lads work.
maybe so but they wanted the jobs there when you didnt. now if was an employer and i had advertised jobs and no one came forwards or knocked the job back then i would have set the foreign drivers on as well. as longs as could drive the same as us with no knocks or bumps and could understand the language then they have the jobā¦ simple as 
now 1 year down the line i would not kick these good hard working lads out of a job to give it to somebody who didnt want it first time round and who you know that soon as something else comes along they will be off and you are back at square 1.
but if i was laying drivers off or standing them down due to no work then im afraid the foreign lads would be first gone.
in full agreement, if you stand for mp you have my vote, if not i,ll buy you a pint when i get back on the road.
Iām afraid thereās too much in this thread for me to read at the moment.
I completely agree with the first post and feel something needs to be done about it, itās beond me as to what though. Yes, it would be harsh to sack all the foreign workers so british workers could have a job, and would probably end up being counter - productive - i.e. Those same foreign workers would go on the dole, the british workers would (naturaly) expect to be paid more than them and would take time to ālearnā their new job anyway - so weād probably end up making the country worse off.
Sending them home however, hmmm, how many were immigrants? I bet itās a lot more than how many people are on the dole - now THATās an interesting thought. But we all know thatās not going to happen, human rights - national relationships etc, thereās a much bigger picture than what we actually see (Iād imagine anyway).
The major thing that troubles me, no offence intended to anyone here;
I worked alongside two poles for a while, non-haulage, neither were very good at their job but both were keen to do their bit (even though they did it wrong / not as well as others most of the time) one was banned from driving anything, vans, forklifts etc and was decidedly dangerous when he did nearly anything, the pair were caught stealing aluminium but neither were sacked. And to cap it all off, one decided to move home so booked three weekās holiday, asked for (and got) his holiday pay up front and that was the last we saw of him!!
Anyway, I found from these two that most of their pay was sent home for their families (makes sense), to my mind - if thereās thousands, millions even sending say 50% of their wages home, isnāt that like a MASSIVE hole in Britainās pocket? Weāll not be seeing it again will we!? Itās no wonder they say Polandās economyās booming 
Note, none of this is intentinally aimed at degrading Polish people, I was mearly telling what Iāve seen.
jessicas dad:
but if i was laying drivers off or standing them down due to no work then im afraid the foreign lads would be first gone.
So you would decide on if they british or not rather that if they are good workers or bad?
How far would that go? Would you sack your best driver if he would be Polish and keep the worse one if he would be British?