Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
The Tories don’t give a toss about the working class,and never will whatever they say.
Labour are the party for the working class, and always will be. I will vote Labour and hope they get in.
I think the lot of them want to steer clear of UKIP,they are more right wing than the Tories.
How is a party which has been devoted to ‘wage restraint’ since the days of Callaghan and immigration putting more downward pressure on income levels supposedly ‘for the working class’.
As for so called ‘left’ being for the working class.The issue of cheap, effectively slave,commy labour,is the main problem that is holding back the working class in the western world.Together with Labour’s enthusiasm for the global free market economy just like the Cons.On that note UKIP isn’t so called ‘right’ enough.Unlike the French FN. 
Who started the NHS Carryfast…Labour.
Who has knackered it Carryfast…Conservatives.
Who asset stripped the UK Carryfast…Conservatives by selling everything off.
The NHS is actually just a socialist solution to a socialist caused problem.As usual all based on the smoke and mirrors bs that it is ‘free’.When it is actually just a compulsory nationalised health insurance scam which goes along the lines of dealing with the symptoms of low wages by way of rationing.In addition to being an indigenous funded service that’s being used for the benefit of the pro immigration cheap labour cause.
As opposed to a wage regime which covers the costs of decent private funded health care.
As for asset stripping the country I think you missed the point that the Labs are as tied to global free market economics as the Cons are.
In which case a I said the working class needs to wake up and smell the coffee in that it is the policies of the French FN which is the way forward.Not more of the same old,pro immigration,pro EU Socialist/Con alliance bs which takes advantage of cheap immigrant and/or slave Communist labour,to minimise wage levels and pander to the immigrant vote.
Winseer:
This election is going to be about "Who’s lying Conclusion:
The battleground will be in the Midlands.
The lie is that the Cons are trying to pretend that it is all about Lab v Con when it is inevitably a case of an SNP and Labour alliance and a Con party which is closer to both than UKIP.
Meanwhile UKIP has allowed itself to be swayed and drowned out by the propaganda barrage of the Lab/Con socialist cheap labour alliance in which Farage seems to have shown himself to be at best weak or at worse even believes the opposition’s propaganda himself.Distancing himself from the French FN type policies and not changing to an English independence Party probably being the two catastrophic mistakes which will see the country ruled by a pro EU Lab/Con/SNP alliance.Which itself will be a puppet of the EU and Chinese Communist Party with no effective opposition to it.
In which case the only hope will be a French FN walk over in which a real nationalist government is then shown to work.
While UKIP and the country just thinks what might have been if only it had got its act together and not listened to all the same old establishment propaganda. 
Who thinks the so-called “warning” that “leaving the EU will cost jobs” is a threat rather than a warning…?
“If we let you vote the UK out of the EU - WE’LL lose our jobs as politicians, and YOU will be laid off en-masse by government-supporting big business who decide to move out of the UK - now that the cheap labour has been displaced elsewhere.”
Cheap labour has become the opium of the people - far more than “Religion” ever could in Marx’s day.
Cheap labour will employ two people on minimum wage for a 70 hour week instead of one person on double that for a 35 hour week.
You can see where they’re coming from, but it also has to be the number one cause of poverty in 21st century Europe today.
Until Business can get away from this “zero sum” ideal that “double profits come from halved wages” - we’ll see the working population gradually moving towards the upheaving of the global firms everywhere. I agree with the notion that the NHS is a socialist finger-in-the-dyke solving a problem that essentially isn’t caused so much by poverty - but the proliferation of poverty. This latter concept is the encouragement of poor people to over-breed (thus entitling them to more benefits) whilst the wealthy get told you “can’t have multiple families without risking your entire fortune” - which discourages them from living like Pharaohs, something I believe would be a good thing in that it would generate an entire army of kids who’ll want for nothing, some at least of whom will be destined for greatness. As it is, a millionaire might only have 3-4 kids, who’ll blow it on fashion start-ups, celebrity-service industries, and the casino tables. You don’t buy a fancy house or car every day - but you can easily drop a million a night at the Grosvenors…
That money lost would then be ex-patriated for tax avoiding purposes… The UK economy has lost as a whole because too much wealth was concentrated among too few offspring.
In my view, the UK needs to break away from this daft concept of “one size fits all” international law. We made our own laws as an empire - so why can’t we do it again as our own country, instead of 51st state of America, or politically annexed state of Berlin?
The people will vote for “more of the same” because they lack the vision to seriously back any real change in this country.
Losing punters don’t lose so much because their horse didn’t win - they lost because they refused to back all the big priced winners that they COULD have done, - but didn’t from fear of appearing “imprudent”. There’s too many that think there’s no shame in backing a losing favourite.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
The Tories don’t give a toss about the working class,and never will whatever they say.
Labour are the party for the working class, and always will be. I will vote Labour and hope they get in.
I think the lot of them want to steer clear of UKIP,they are more right wing than the Tories.
How is a party which has been devoted to ‘wage restraint’ since the days of Callaghan and immigration putting more downward pressure on income levels supposedly ‘for the working class’.
As for so called ‘left’ being for the working class.The issue of cheap, effectively slave,commy labour,is the main problem that is holding back the working class in the western world.Together with Labour’s enthusiasm for the global free market economy just like the Cons.On that note UKIP isn’t so called ‘right’ enough.Unlike the French FN.
Who started the NHS Carryfast…Labour.
Who has knackered it Carryfast…Conservatives.
Who asset stripped the UK Carryfast…Conservatives by selling everything off.
The NHS is actually just a socialist solution to a socialist caused problem.As usual all based on the smoke and mirrors bs that it is ‘free’.When it is actually just a compulsory nationalised health insurance scam which goes along the lines of dealing with the symptoms of low wages by way of rationing.In addition to being an indigenous funded service that’s being used for the benefit of the pro immigration cheap labour cause.
As opposed to a wage regime which covers the costs of decent private funded health care.
As for asset stripping the country I think you missed the point that the Labs are as tied to global free market economics as the Cons are.
In which case a I said the working class needs to wake up and smell the coffee in that it is the policies of the French FN which is the way forward.Not more of the same old,pro immigration,pro EU Socialist/Con alliance bs which takes advantage of cheap immigrant and/or slave Communist labour,to minimise wage levels and pander to the immigrant vote.
Who do you reckon we should put the blame onto then Geoffrey ?
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
In which case a I said the working class needs to wake up and smell the coffee in that it is the policies of the French FN which is the way forward.Not more of the same old,pro immigration,pro EU Socialist/Con alliance bs which takes advantage of cheap immigrant and/or slave Communist labour,to minimise wage levels and pander to the immigrant vote.
Who do you reckon we should put the blame onto then Geoffrey ?
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Any/every politician that puts the interests of the bankers and CBI ahead of the country’s.Which obviously means all of the main Parties and especially Labour which stands on a ticket of being all about the working class but in reality is no different to the Cons.As proven by Callaghan’s and Blair’s administrations.
As for UKIP,unlike Le Pen’s FN,sadly it seems like another typically British two faced bunch in that regard but probably still the least worse option.
The Labour of old only did one good thing and that was the NHS. If Labour was the only choice I’d refuse to vote, as I cannot stand Milliband (stupid voice and all). Imagine him stood next to the likes of Putin, Obama and even Merkel. He’s a cross of Blair and Cameron and not a patch on either.
Still admire Maggie, didn’t stand for the miners, British Leyland and other jokers.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
In which case a I said the working class needs to wake up and smell the coffee in that it is the policies of the French FN which is the way forward.Not more of the same old,pro immigration,pro EU Socialist/Con alliance bs which takes advantage of cheap immigrant and/or slave Communist labour,to minimise wage levels and pander to the immigrant vote.
Who do you reckon we should put the blame onto then Geoffrey ?
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Any/every politician that puts the interests of the bankers and CBI ahead of the country’s.Which obviously means all of the main Parties and especially Labour which stands on a ticket of being all about the working class but in reality is no different to the Cons.As proven by Callaghan’s and Blair’s administrations.
As for UKIP,unlike Le Pen’s FN,sadly it seems like another typically British two faced bunch in that regard but probably still the least worse option.
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I will stick with Labour, as they are not all New Labour. They still have Dennis Skinner who has better values and talks more sense than any other MP from any party 
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
As for UKIP,unlike Le Pen’s FN,sadly it seems like another typically British two faced bunch in that regard but probably still the least worse option.
I will stick with Labour, as they are not all New Labour. They still have Dennis Skinner who has better values and talks more sense than any other MP from any party
Unfortunately,like Scargill and Heffer,a brilliant working class politician but all sadly hopelessly lost to and misguided by the Socialist cause.Ironically I think that of them all it might just be Scargill, who would be bright enough to say that following the so called left in the form of Wilson and Callaghan,instead of throwing the weight of the NUM behind Shore to oust Callaghan as Labour leader successor,during the 1975 EU referendum campaign,was his and the NUM’s biggest catastrophic mistake.Bearing in mind at that time the NUM still had the strength to determine TUC policy as a whole.Unfortunately the rest is history. 
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
As for UKIP,unlike Le Pen’s FN,sadly it seems like another typically British two faced bunch in that regard but probably still the least worse option.
I will stick with Labour, as they are not all New Labour. They still have Dennis Skinner who has better values and talks more sense than any other MP from any party
Unfortunately,like Scargill and Heffer,a brilliant working class politician but all sadly hopelessly lost to and misguided by the Socialist cause.Ironically I think that of them all it might just be Scargill, who would be bright enough to say that following the so called left in the form of Wilson and Callaghan,instead of throwing the weight of the NUM behind Shore to oust Callaghan as Labour leader successor,during the 1975 EU referendum campaign,was his and the NUM’s biggest catastrophic mistake.Bearing in mind at that time the NUM still had the strength to determine TUC policy as a whole.Unfortunately the rest is history.
Why aren’t you standing for election Geoffrey. You could tell them where they are going wrong with their political aims and views.
Get your nomination paper filled in ''Vote for Carryfast ‘’.
Doesnt matter who you vote for
If voting actually changed anything,they’d make it illegal
On a side note,I got my postal vote form through this morning. Ive told them FOUR TIMES I want to vote in person.
And im supposed to trust my vote will be accurately counted and registered when they cant even sort out how I do it?
Dave the Renegade:
I will vote Labour and hope they get in.
Dave the Renegade:
I vote for the MP who has served our constituency for several years, he is Lib Dem.
How come you get two votes then, Dave?
I got a nice little pink letter from Mr Cameron this week reminding me that I was in a marginal seat and a bit of a floater.
Gets my vote as the one party that has managed to have a computer system capable of doing this and the presence of forethought to realise that a few grand on postage for the marginals may pay dividends.
puntabrava:
35 pages of carryfast later and the result is,
The conservatives win
The bookies are not often wrong
And £230 into the puntabrava bookies debt account 