DVSA clampdown on adblue cheats

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Plus it’s just a load of EU bollox anyway.

Another typical knuckle dragging driver statement. It actually massively reduces NOx emissions, you know the ones that are poisonous to human beings and causes asthma and COPD, turning it into harmless water and nitrogen. Also it isn’t just the EU but governments worldwide that require it to be used in modern diesel vehicles and that includes cars, not just lorries.

But what the hell, lets get rid of it and continue to poison ourselves and breathe in crappy air because its a bit of inconvenience and just science rubbish eh?

Conor:

Night-and-day:
Plus it’s just a load of EU bollox anyway.

Another typical knuckle dragging driver statement. It actually massively reduces NOx emissions, you know the ones that are poisonous to human beings and causes asthma and COPD, turning it into harmless water and nitrogen. Also it isn’t just the EU but governments worldwide that require it to be used in modern diesel vehicles and that includes cars, not just lorries.

But what the hell, lets get rid of it and continue to poison ourselves and breathe in crappy air because its a bit of inconvenience and just science rubbish eh?

+1

The fumes off modern diesels make me feel like absolute crap daily in the job I do (vehicle manufacturing) I don’t think people realise just how bad it is despite all the adblu crap they use to try and clean it up.

bigdave789:
Why would you even bother? how much is Adblue at the pump? about fifty pence per litre or something of that order
It beggars the question of what other penny pinching wheezes are these people up to? We saw where this mindset ends up in Bath with the tipper fatalities that destroyed so many lives.
Once again the rules are there for every operator big or small

I think you will find that if you put it on your fuel card, they will charge you in the region of £1.25 PPL net…daylight robbery

You can get it cheaper, if you use a credit / debit card, but then you have the hassle of paying back the driver who has lost the bloody VAT receipt :unamused:

Ive got it down to £0.45 PPL net, and I could get if even less if I purchased an IBC set up, but my lads arent anywhere near the yard most of the time, to make it cost effective… :cry:

Nothing penny pinching about it, its just another tax via the back door…

Conor:

Night-and-day:
Plus it’s just a load of EU bollox anyway.

Another typical knuckle dragging driver statement. It actually massively reduces NOx emissions, you know the ones that are poisonous to human beings and causes asthma and COPD, turning it into harmless water and nitrogen. Also it isn’t just the EU but governments worldwide that require it to be used in modern diesel vehicles and that includes cars, not just lorries.

But what the hell, lets get rid of it and continue to poison ourselves and breathe in crappy air because its a bit of inconvenience and just science rubbish eh?

Then there’s…

Your signature.

‘Conor.
Man made global warming is a massive lie concocted and exploited by governments and business to extort money out of us.
East Anglia University Climate Research Unit, the world leaders, have falsified data and have outright lied to everyone.’

You appear to be at odds with yourself.

As blue is a menace and is causing all sorts of issues for hauliers,I know of a firm who had nothing but trouble with a new dad for 2 years,nox sensor prooand then loss of power in limp mode etc all down to adblue,
Got it to run with out adblue and has had 5 years trouble free now,
I watched a thing with guy Martin and he said the engine is working harder with adblue,
I worked for a bloke who did all his trucks,not a penny pincher by any means and he just wouldn’t entertain it,
Look at when a truck goes for export,they take the Adblue system away and the trucks run for ever in Africa etc…
I just refuse to believe it’s for the best,

The big expence is for those who are desperately trying to get it working again .

Punchy Dan:
The big expence is for those who are desperately trying to get it working again .

£3/5k i`ve heard on the grapevine from a Volvo operator I know…

He has a 67 plate that has been back 27 times since delivery last November with various Adblu problems :imp:

Can be try to straighten out a few things here? There seems to me to be a few misconceptions mixed in with some accurate information.
Opinion, prejudice, half-truths and wishful thinking seem to get mixed in with facts. Just like a good pub discussion, or a Parliamentary debate.
Keeping just to our truck engines.

AdBlue is used in SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) engines to clean up the emissions. In Euro6 theyre getting the particulate and NOx levels down really low. This isnt affecting (greatly) the CO2 levels.
Let`s pull that apart.

First, lets say that in an "ideal" diesel the exhaust would produce only carbon dioxide (CO2) and water. Water is OK but CO2 is a "greenhouse gas". More CO2 means Global Warming or better described as Climate Change, or what may turn out to be more extreme weather events. Burning twice as much diesel means twice as much CO2. Reducing CO2 means smaller fuel bills, and we can agree thats good. But nothing is perfect and exhaust gases have many other components.

Secondly, Euro 6 have a particulate filter to clean up the soot. When it gets clogged it squirts diesel in to burn off the crap at high temperatures. Easy enough to understand.

Thirdly, the SCR, Adblue bit. NOx gases are bad for your health and the environment. By squirting AdBlue (ammonia and water) into the exhaust gases, downstream of the particle filter, the NOx gases are converted into nitrogen N2 and water.

Here`s two links originally put up by Norb.
youtube.com/watch?v=fc6-nJ2 … e=youtu.be
youtube.com/watch?v=8JGVCPs … e=youtu.be
Much clearer than I put it.

All the above is pretty uncontroversial Id say. Thats the way it works.

Whether or not its "worth it" is another issue. Keeping the air clean is probably costing us money. If we had no emissions regs we could have less complicated, easier to maintain engines, which were possibly more fuel efficient*. Well 17 of the G20 countries have agreed that it is worth it. The USA and Japan are pretty much Euro6 too. It is NOT only a EU scheme. Brexit probably wont make any change.
If some places charge three times as much as others for AdBlue its clearly not a tax issue. Clean engines are more complicated and expensive than dirty ones? Well, thats true. Thats a choice we as a society have made. If some operators want to try to make money by cheating the system, then just make sure the fines take any competitive advantage theyve gained. Most of us don`t want to see haulage rates cut by companies running bent on hours, why put up with companies running bent on emissions?

*Using AdBlue technology in a cleaner engine makes it more fuel efficient than a non-AdBlue clean engine. But a dirty engine could be even more efficient.

A truck using SCR technology, eg AdBlue, will use less fuel than a similar truck using EGR. This will happen whether Adblue has been turned on or off.

Is there an alternative liquid that could be used instead of adblue ?
something that doesn’t crystallise and cause so many other problems…

Trukkertone:
Is there an alternative liquid that could be used instead of adblue ?
something that doesn’t crystallise and cause so many other problems…

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all your adblue emissions meant to be saving the planet is all very well,try telling that to the yanks,and everytime china open up a new nuclear power station…kinda makes all that effort somewhat meaningless?

Trukkertone:
Is there an alternative liquid that could be used instead of adblue ?
something that doesn’t crystallise and cause so many other problems…

If you can find it and patent it . . . .

Have a truck that runs on LNG - Like this

dieseldog999:
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and everytime china open up a new nuclear power station…kinda makes all that effort somewhat meaningless?

Nuclear power is actually the answer if only we’d accept it. Not the problem

dieseldog999:
all your adblue emissions meant to be saving the planet is all very well,try telling that to the yanks,and everytime china open up a new nuclear power station…kinda makes all that effort somewhat meaningless?

What the hell? Nuclear power plants have next to zero emissions which is why the French are doing so well at meeting their climate change because almost all their electricity is generated by nuclear. Also in regards to the USA there is a massive shift to renewables no matter what Trump has done. Each individual US state has taken it upon themselves to continue the move to renewables as have many of the population. Wind and solar now account for over 2/3 of all new energy generation installations in the USA.

yourhavingalarf:
Then there’s…

Your signature.

‘Conor.
Man made global warming is a massive lie concocted and exploited by governments and business to extort money out of us.
East Anglia University Climate Research Unit, the world leaders, have falsified data and have outright lied to everyone.’

You appear to be at odds with yourself.

Not in the slightest. There are temperature changes including a sustained period of cooling they cannot understand why they happen. Every year without fail they find something else which they didn’t know have an effect on the climate. They still cannot predict what happens accurately using historical data because the computer modelling is broken because they don’t know all the factors that affect climate change. Everything apparently can be solved by taxing it to death and you can continue to pollute as much as you want if you have the money because you just buy Carbon Tax Credits. Those carbon tax credits are even traded on stock exchanges.

So yes to that extent I think that it is a load of crap. HOWEVER that doesn’t mean that I don’t believe we should be doing everything we can to clean up the planet we live on so we have clean water to drink, clean air to breathe and live a non-wasteful lifestyle that our planet can sustain. Vehicle emissions cause a large part in that. Violent crime in the UK and other first world nations is a lot lower than it was 25 years ago because we removed lead, which is a nerve toxin, from paint and importantly, petrol so we were no longer giving ourselves lead poisoning.

OwenMoney:
0Have a truck that runs on LNG - Like this

they still have to run a percentage of diesel…
are these lng trucks also using adblue ?
or is the amount of pollution low enough to not need it ?

No adblue tank - only a very small diesel tank for the night heater

I saw BOC/Linde delivering to an Asda depot and in France we deliver to a big supermarket transporter -Jacky Perrenot_ who have loads of Lng trucks
Its the clean future- and here in Spain at the moment its 0.74 cents (per kg ,but not sure )I will check tomorrow

switchlogic:

dieseldog999:
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and everytime china open up a new nuclear power station…kinda makes all that effort somewhat meaningless?

Nuclear power is actually the answer if only we’d accept it. Not the problem

What do you do with the waste though?

So yes to that extent I think that it is a load of crap. HOWEVER that doesn’t mean that I don’t believe we should be doing everything we can to clean up the planet we live on so we have clean water to drink, clean air to breathe and live a non-wasteful lifestyle that our planet can sustain. Vehicle emissions cause a large part in that. Violent crime in the UK and other first world nations is a lot lower than it was 25 years ago because we removed lead, which is a nerve toxin, from paint and importantly, petrol so we were no longer giving ourselves lead poisoning.
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ok,il bite basically becaise im driving here and cant be bothered waiting on google to tell me…
what has removing lead from paint got to do with violent crime or the lack of it in the uk?
im sure theres several others pondering this dilemma so itl save them a sleepless night if you just spill the beans before you start your trunk. :slight_smile: