drop it right

switchlogic:

Pops77:
he’s right though… :smiley:
just basic training enuf to pass test, no blind side tips, no how to open curtains, no how to manage ratchets, no how to use fuel cards blah blah blah…

Do you really need to be taught how to use a fuel card?!

Going on the time it takes for most drivers to actually start fuelling up after arriving at a bunker site, I’d wager a ‘yes’ to that question. :open_mouth: Most look completely bewildered when the machine asks for the mileage (shock, horror!) AND the vehicle registration. :open_mouth: It’s just too much information to process in one go! :astonished:

Definitely a DCPC item.

Rob K:

switchlogic:

Pops77:
he’s right though… :smiley:
just basic training enuf to pass test, no blind side tips, no how to open curtains, no how to manage ratchets, no how to use fuel cards blah blah blah…

Do you really need to be taught how to use a fuel card?!

Going on the time it takes for most drivers to actually start fuelling up after arriving at a bunker site, I’d wager a ‘yes’ to that question. :open_mouth: Most look completely bewildered when the machine asks for the mileage (shock, horror!) AND the vehicle registration. :open_mouth: It’s just too much information to process in one go! :astonished:

Definitely a DCPC item.

Yes actually your right, I thought exactly the same right after I posted it. The way they jab at the machine you’d think it was the first time they’d ever seen such a magical electronic device!

switchlogic:

Pops77:
he’s right though… :smiley:
just basic training enuf to pass test, no blind side tips, no how to open curtains, no how to manage ratchets, no how to use fuel cards blah blah blah…

Do you really need to be taught how to use a fuel card?!

On my first trip abroad I had an IDS card but nobody thought to give me the PIN number.

So yes I was that man scratching my head at the card reader…

W

Silver_Surfer:
The biggest joke about the test is that you can pass in a wagon and drag and be certified to pull 45 foot trailers in a tractor unit having never driven such an outfit or coupled/uncoupled same. Madness.

Works the other way too…

I learnt in an artic and then went onto drive wag + drags.

I’ve used different types of each too, wag + drags with the standard suzi’s, and also with the connector block type, where it’s like a block that goes into a spring loaded box, with o-rings.

I’ve done drop boxes and a-frames too.

Also, recovery (every job’s different), fridges (lots of different fridges), containers (loads of different types of skelly’s), taughts (loads of different types of curtains, ones where you have to release it all, ones with ratchets on each side, air lock systems etc)…
I could go on, but again, what do you want to be tought? Everything, or enough to get you in to a firm where you can then ASK QUESTIONS??

As I’ve mentioned, before, 1st time I went to pull a trailer off a bay, he said “make sure you reset the suspension or you’ll get stuck on the guide bars”… My response… "EH?? "…

Anybody would think our job was rocket science

AlexWignall:
Such drivers tend not to have Curryhouse Curtains in their cab or finish their sentances with
“then I [zb] told him to stick his [zb] load”

W

FAIL

You forgot about him turning round :stuck_out_tongue:

The DSA test gives you a qualification to allow you on the roads alone, to learn to drive an LGV.

No one can teach blind side reversing until you have got the hang of how a vehicle turns, the pivot points were mentioned, good advice, but too early in the learning curve. Curtainsider tensioners & buckles? In 30 years I doubt if I have come across even half of them.

Let’s drop a trailer.

Remember not every trailer has air suspension, not every tractor has it either, some will have run up ramps, some will be deep pin trailers, some may have sliders. You are never going to get through all that and understand it in a 7 hour classroom session.

Find somewhere level, preferably dry, because you are going to get out of the cab into a muddy puddle otherwise. If it is in a line of other trailers, try to keep it straight, otherwise when you get home on Saturday morning you will find there is no room to park up because some ■■■■ has parked a trailer cross-hoppled.

Let’s drop a trailer.

You have just passed your driving test and done the required couple and uncouple exercises, using the handbrake. Well done, now forget that.

Let’s drop a trailer.

You are happy where you are parked, the trailer is level, the marker lines are visible at both sides equally.
Put on the tractor handbrake and climb out of the cab backwards. Can you remember which side your cat walk steps are?, good, walk the opposite way round, stop go back, shut the drivers door! (lock it, if in Glasgow, Poland or Liverpool)

Does it look good? then retrieve your number plate, (lights bulbs etc. If necessary) (see above) Walk past the trailer handbrake and put it on, it may be a ratchet, it may be a button, it may be a winding handle. Stow the number plate away and climb onto the catwalk, release and stow away the suzies and cables. Climb off the catwalk backwards and either open the door and raise the air suspension slightly or wind the landing legs down using both gears. You are trying to keep the trailer height roughly the same as it is when the trailer is at normal ride height, modern trailers bend at the neck, they are meant to. Depending on the company you work for dictates how many turns of the winding gear you give it :wink: . I just want the legs to support the extra weight of the trailer and load when I eventually drive from under it.

Now go back to the drivers side of the lorry, remove the 5th wheel clip or retainer and release the jaws. Now you can climb back into the cab. You can then slide forward an inch or two as you lower the tractor air suspension (If used or fitted). This allows free access & ingress without ripping off the mudflaps or covering them in grease. Drive out slowly and check trailer is not sinking or tipping up if loaded nose heavy.

This is a very tongue in cheek method and took me almost seven hours to choreograph it, hopefully it will take you less than two minutes to do it in the real world.

Well done you have dropped a trailer.

For deep pinned trailers, either lose some weight, or find an article on split coupling and which companies allow it, some do, some don’t and the only way you will find out is when you get a bollocking off a brown 18 year old guy who struggles with English

Wheel Nut:

AlexWignall:
Such drivers tend not to have Curryhouse Curtains in their cab or finish their sentances with
“then I [zb] told him to stick his [zb] load”

W

FAIL

You forgot about him turning round :stuck_out_tongue:

Curtain Driver “I turned round and then I ■■■■■■■ told him to stick his ■■■■■■■ load”

New Driver “Really… what happened next?”

Curtain Driver “I got going, I had to put the wire on coz I didn’t want to be late…”

Is that better Wheel Nut?

W

Wheel Nut:
For deep pinned trailers, either lose some weight, or find an article on split coupling and which companies allow it, some do, some don’t and the only way you will find out is when you get a bollocking off a brown 18 year old guy who struggles with English

If split coupling isn’t aloud and you’re a fatty like me, hook trailer upto 5th wheel, put safety clip on, hit shunt button, full right lock, then you can put your suzi’s on with ease :smiley:

The material covered in DriverCPC has to be relevant to the European syllabus. But that said, if there are things that you seriously feel should be covered in the training - things that would make the course material useful and relevant then you should speak up.

If there are things that should be included that currently, in your experience, aren’t, then shout it out. I’m not afraid to ask for advice from people in a much better position than me to know this industry inside out.

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If split coupling isn’t aloud and you’re a fatty like me, hook trailer upto 5th wheel, put safety clip on, hit shunt button, full right lock, then you can put your suzi’s on with ease

That wouldn’t work with most of my aged fridges, some will hold air overnight but one or two won’t shunt after a couple of hours.
Strictly speaking, we are supposed to let the suspension of the trailer down before dropping it, are we not?
How many of us do that on a regular basis, I wonder?
I often find my leaky trailers have sunk at the back, so I can’t reach the pin.

Top tip, reverse under the trailer, stop before you reach the pin,set the TRAILER BRAKE and your handbrake, of course, make sure the suspension is set to travel and then climb up and attach the red line, you can do the others at the same time if you wish.
Wait a few minutes and the trailer will rise at the back, thus lowering the pin onto the fifth wheel, then you can finish the job off without fear of the pin riding over it.
Before anyone else jumps in, this only works with air suspended trailers :slight_smile:

Can one of you tell me why split coupling is not allowed by your/ some companies, please?

Regards,
Nick

a large part of our fleet are actros and any of you that are familiar with them will know that the air filter is situated behind the cab.every single one of them has had said filter squashed by people going under the pin.
about six of them have a low 5th wheel for europe,poor things never stood a chance :laughing:

ncooper:

If split coupling isn’t aloud and you’re a fatty like me, hook trailer upto 5th wheel, put safety clip on, hit shunt button, full right lock, then you can put your suzi’s on with ease

That wouldn’t work with most of my aged fridges, some will hold air overnight but one or two won’t shunt after a couple of hours.
Strictly speaking, we are supposed to let the suspension of the trailer down before dropping it, are we not?
How many of us do that on a regular basis, I wonder?
I often find my leaky trailers have sunk at the back, so I can’t reach the pin.

Top tip, reverse under the trailer, stop before you reach the pin,set the TRAILER BRAKE and your handbrake, of course, make sure the suspension is set to travel and then climb up and attach the red line, you can do the others at the same time if you wish.
Wait a few minutes and the trailer will rise at the back, thus lowering the pin onto the fifth wheel, then you can finish the job off without fear of the pin riding over it.
Before anyone else jumps in, this only works with air suspended trailers :slight_smile:

Can one of you tell me why split coupling is not allowed by your/ some companies, please?

Regards,
Nick

'Cause of the elves… People climb out, forget to check trailer brake, hook up trailers with pin height not set and get crushed between trailer and unit.

You can guarantee that every company that has split coupling banned has had this happen, the same as every company that takes your keys off you on a bay has had a ‘foreign driver’ pull off the bay when a fork lift was 1/2 way between dock and trailer :unamused:

Always ■■■■■■■■ in my opinion.

ncooper:

If split coupling isn’t aloud and you’re a fatty like me, hook trailer upto 5th wheel, put safety clip on, hit shunt button, full right lock, then you can put your suzi’s on with ease

That wouldn’t work with most of my aged fridges, some will hold air overnight but one or two won’t shunt after a couple of hours.
Strictly speaking, we are supposed to let the suspension of the trailer down before dropping it, are we not?
How many of us do that on a regular basis, I wonder?
I often find my leaky trailers have sunk at the back, so I can’t reach the pin.

Top tip, reverse under the trailer, stop before you reach the pin,set the TRAILER BRAKE and your handbrake, of course, make sure the suspension is set to travel and then climb up and attach the red line, you can do the others at the same time if you wish.
Wait a few minutes and the trailer will rise at the back, thus lowering the pin onto the fifth wheel, then you can finish the job off without fear of the pin riding over it.
Before anyone else jumps in, this only works with air suspended trailers :slight_smile:

Can one of you tell me why split coupling is not allowed by your/ some companies, please?

Regards,
Nick

Nice post Nick,

Check out the third post in this thread. Great minds think alike?

W