Driving too slowly is dangerous

[roadsrat]

robroy:
Wtf are the lols about exactly.
Say what you like mate the Police’s priority is all about making money’ revenue raising, uniformed tax collectors.

The lols are regarding your “money making” suggestion. Making money for who? All fines go to HM treasury and it’s definitely not going back into the police budget. It does however help pay for public services, the NHS and all the other things the government spends money on.

Why are they money making? There is no financial benefit to the police on how many fines are issued, they aren’t running a business. There are no financial incentives or benefits for issuing fines.

Fines aren’t taxes either.

robroy:
They bleat on about lack of resources after taking 2 days to turn up with their crime number after your house has been blagged, but those resources are miraculously plentiful with their 3 to a tractor unit and 2 to the following car when they are out to nick you eating your sarnies, or 30 or so stood at a weighbridge on ‘operation whatever’.
The argument on here when anyone points that out is just like yours, chucking stats at me, or the classic…‘‘They are traffic, different department’’
So sort out some proper traffic issues then ffs, this thread subject for example, and leave me alone to drink my coffee with both eyes on the road concentrating.

You only have to look at any number of roads policing twitter accounts to see that proper traffic issues are being dealt with. However you can only do so much with the resources you have available.

These operations you speak of pool resources from multiple forces in an effort to catch those in the wrong.

robroy:
Ok if the numbers have dwindled prioritise those numbers on to real crime and serious traffic offences.

That’s up to the forces crime commissioner and senior officers to decide. Nothing to do with the officers on the frontline.

[roadsrat]

joeyd:

RoadsRat:
“Total police officer strength in the United Kingdom increased year on year between 2003, when there were 155,000 officers, and 2010, when there were just over 171,600. Since 2010 the number of police officers has fallen each year. At 31 March 2018 there were just under 150,000 police officers operating within the United Kingdom. This was a reduction of 3.7% compared to 2003 and a decrease of 12.8% from 2010.”

So if they managed to patrol mways back in 2003 why cant they now with roughly the same manpower ? Maybe they are too busy checking the internet in case someone makes an “offensive” tweet instead

Because there are actually fewer officers physically on the front line today. There may be the same number of officers today as in 2003 but a lot less of them are actually in frontline roles.

“At 31 March 2018 there were 103,836 police officers in frontline roles - this was the lowest level under the new framework. The number of police officers in frontline roles fell by 16% between 2010 and 2018, and by 1.6% between 2017 and 2018.”

Unlike in 2003, today you have additional units such as ■■■■■■ offences, domestic abuse and cybercrime. Where do you think these officers have come from?

Then there is also the threat from terrorism and additional officers required to trained to carry firearms.

So while we might have the same number of officers as 2003, they are based used in roles today that didn’t exist back then.

[jakethesnake]

Roads Rat you talk a lot of sense and seem to know your stuff. Refreshing.

[jakethesnake]

50% is driver error.

Think you will find the real figure to be a little bit higher!

[kcrussell25]

RoadsRat:

robroy:
Wtf are the lols about exactly.
Say what you like mate the Police’s priority is all about making money’ revenue raising, uniformed tax collectors.

The lols are regarding your “money making” suggestion. Making money for who? All fines go to HM treasury and it’s definitely not going back into the police budget. It does however help pay for public services, the NHS and all the other things the government spends money on.

Why are they money making? There is no financial benefit to the police on how many fines are issued, they aren’t running a business. There are no financial incentives or benefits for issuing fines.

Fines aren’t taxes either.

robroy:
They bleat on about lack of resources after taking 2 days to turn up with their crime number after your house has been blagged, but those resources are miraculously plentiful with their 3 to a tractor unit and 2 to the following car when they are out to nick you eating your sarnies, or 30 or so stood at a weighbridge on ‘operation whatever’.
The argument on here when anyone points that out is just like yours, chucking stats at me, or the classic…‘‘They are traffic, different department’’
So sort out some proper traffic issues then ffs, this thread subject for example, and leave me alone to drink my coffee with both eyes on the road concentrating.

You only have to look at any number of roads policing twitter accounts to see that proper traffic issues are being dealt with. However you can only do so much with the resources you have available.

These operations you speak of pool resources from multiple forces in an effort to catch those in the wrong.

robroy:
Ok if the numbers have dwindled prioritise those numbers on to real crime and serious traffic offences.

That’s up to the forces crime commissioner and senior officers to decide. Nothing to do with the officers on the frontline.

I am sure it’s the bosses decision what to target but the point remains they target what raises money. Quite probably under instruction from the politicians but all the same a lot gets ignored that also coincidentally doesn’t raise money

[jakethesnake]

I am sure it’s the bosses decision what to target but the point remains they target what raises money.

Really, targeting terrorism raises money? Get real.

[bobbya]

wing-nut:
Just ban all Nissan Micra’s, problem solved

I like your way of thinking,I agree along with lycra cyclists and horse boxes,I hate them all.

[kcrussell25]

jakethesnake:
I am sure it’s the bosses decision what to target but the point remains they target what raises money.

Really, targeting terrorism raises money? Get real.

Traffic offences I mean.

Burglary seems to be almost uninteresting to the police but has a far bigger impact on the public that someone doing 80 on a motorway. However that doesn’t raise money.

Looking around I would question how much terrorism they “target” and how much is just “responding” to events

[robroy]

RoadsRat:

robroy:
Wtf are the lols about exactly.
Say what you like mate the Police’s priority is all about making money’ revenue raising, uniformed tax collectors.

The lols are regarding your “money making” suggestion. Making money for who? All fines go to HM treasury and it’s definitely not going back into the police budget. It does however help pay for public services, the NHS and all the other things the government spends money on.

Why are they money making? There is no financial benefit to the police on how many fines are issued, they aren’t running a business. There are no financial incentives or benefits for issuing fines.

Fines aren’t taxes either.

robroy:
They bleat on about lack of resources after taking 2 days to turn up with their crime number after your house has been blagged, but those resources are miraculously plentiful with their 3 to a tractor unit and 2 to the following car when they are out to nick you eating your sarnies, or 30 or so stood at a weighbridge on ‘operation whatever’.
The argument on here when anyone points that out is just like yours, chucking stats at me, or the classic…‘‘They are traffic, different department’’
So sort out some proper traffic issues then ffs, this thread subject for example, and leave me alone to drink my coffee with both eyes on the road concentrating.

You only have to look at any number of roads policing twitter accounts to see that proper traffic issues are being dealt with. However you can only do so much with the resources you have available.

These operations you speak of pool resources from multiple forces in an effort to catch those in the wrong.

robroy:
Ok if the numbers have dwindled prioritise those numbers on to real crime and serious traffic offences.

That’s up to the forces crime commissioner and senior officers to decide. Nothing to do with the officers on the frontline.

I never said the money was going back to you did I ?
I said ‘‘revenue raising’’ and as you say yourself it’s going to The Treasury, so loosely speaking a stealth tax of sorts.

Quote…‘‘Why are they money making’’?
That is the remit set by your superiors via The Government…or are you going to refute that also.

You are doing what I said, playing the lack of resources card, backed up by chucking around stats.
The public are heart sick of hearing all this as an excuse not to investigate or take action on crimes like burglarly, muggings, theft etc.

I’ve mentioned before about my boy getting assaulted in his car, no Police to be seen on the street, but exactly 5 mins later they appeared and pulled him for a noisy exhaust.
I had 2 scrotes in the back of my trailer one night, I went into the MSA across the road, saw a copper to report it, but he was too busy checking a driver’s card, the next week I parked there (empty).the ■■■■■ s gave me a ticket.

We all have examples like this of ■■■■ poor policing mate, the public perception of the Police is at an all time low (possibly with the exception of our old mate and your evident fan Jakethesnake )

So to get back on thread let’s see you lot sorting the lane discipline out on M.ways, starting with a hi visual Police presence instead of sitting there making ■■■■ excuses.

[robroy]

jakethesnake:
Roads Rat you talk a lot of sense and seem to know your stuff. Refreshing.

Ffs mate I really can not weigh you up.
You come on here at every opportunity (like a one man crusade )to tell us all how bad we are as truck drivers, and how general driving standards of all vehicles has dropped, then you get a chance and opportunity to contact directly a guy who is responsible for failing to police it all efficientlly,.and you start fawning over him telling him his usual Police type true to form making excuses for it is …‘‘Refreshing’’
Unbe ■■■■ lievable.

[waddy640]

There will always be a certain element in the police who aren’t interested in the job itself but like wearing the uniform and exerting their authority when it suits them.

[dieseldog999]

robroy:

jakethesnake:
Roads Rat you talk a lot of sense and seem to know your stuff. Refreshing.

Ffs mate I really can not weigh you up.
You come on here at every opportunity (like a one man crusade )to tell us all how bad we are as truck drivers, and how general driving standards of all vehicles has dropped, then you get a chance and opportunity to contact directly a guy who is responsible for failing to police it all efficientlly,.and you start fawning over him telling him his usual Police type true to form making excuses for it is …‘‘Refreshing’’
Unbe [zb] lievable.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
its not so hard do weigh him up.
just another fridge engineering clone with pishy obvious fishing posts.
at least conor is consistantly real and never varies.
the only real difference is that when conor gets shot down in flames,he goes away in a wee hiff for a while.

[bosshogg]

muckles:

robroy:
Here’s a controversial curveball, …if there are no longer any Mway Police to maintain lane discipline and to stop the hogging…give the HATO more powers to issue tickets for it.

I believe even HATO rarely patrol the motorways these days, just respond to callouts, I’m sure our resident HATO’s would be able to tell us if that is correct.
Also using HATO’s to give tickets, what level are they going to stop offenders, if somebody is speeding or refuses to stop, will they be able to break the speed limit to catch them?
If so are they going to be trained to the same level as the traffic police of old?
If they are, shouldn’t they then get a pay rise to go with the extra responsibility of their new role?
Will the extra costs mean they spend even less time on patrol, making the whole exercise pointless?
I believe they only patrol Motorways, which I believe are safer per vehicle mile than any other road type, so who is going to sort out all the problems we see on our other roads?
Maybe we could try a radical idea and have dedicated Police officers patrolling all roads, after all the rail network get their own Police force?

We are still on patrol, nothing has changed, as for giving us extra powers to hand out tickets, that goes totally against why we were introduced. The police do the policing, we deal with managing the traffic, that is what we are trained to do.

[dieseldog999]

We are still on patrol, nothing has changed, as for giving us extra powers to hand out tickets, that goes totally against why we were introduced. The police do the policing, we deal with managing the traffic, that is what we are trained to do.
[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^^^
TRAIN HARDER…!!!
happy new year…

[joeyd]

RoadsRat:

joeyd:

RoadsRat:
“Total police officer strength in the United Kingdom increased year on year between 2003, when there were 155,000 officers, and 2010, when there were just over 171,600. Since 2010 the number of police officers has fallen each year. At 31 March 2018 there were just under 150,000 police officers operating within the United Kingdom. This was a reduction of 3.7% compared to 2003 and a decrease of 12.8% from 2010.”

So if they managed to patrol mways back in 2003 why cant they now with roughly the same manpower ? Maybe they are too busy checking the internet in case someone makes an “offensive” tweet instead

Because there are actually fewer officers physically on the front line today. There may be the same number of officers today as in 2003 but a lot less of them are actually in frontline roles.

“At 31 March 2018 there were 103,836 police officers in frontline roles - this was the lowest level under the new framework. The number of police officers in frontline roles fell by 16% between 2010 and 2018, and by 1.6% between 2017 and 2018.”

Unlike in 2003, today you have additional units such as ■■■■■■ offences, domestic abuse and cybercrime. Where do you think these officers have come from?

Then there is also the threat from terrorism and additional officers required to trained to carry firearms.

So while we might have the same number of officers as 2003, they are based used in roles today that didn’t exist back then.

But they still investigated ■■■■■■ offences, domestic abuse, and terrorism prior to 2003 (i’ll give you the cyber crime one ). Sounds to me that what you are saying is it is not the lack of police that is the problem, rather that their priorities have changed. Personally I would rather they kicked them out of whatever office they were sat in looking at twitter in case someone is “offended” and put them back on the beat

[scotstrucker]

jakethesnake:
Roads Rat you talk a lot of sense and seem to know your stuff. Refreshing.

he should do, he is an ex central motorway police group officer from Birmingham if my dyslexic brain remembers correctly.

[bosshogg]

Oh no he isn’t.

[bosshogg]

dieseldog999:
TRAIN HARDER…!!!
happy new year…

Same to you too, they would have to double our numbers if we did enforcement, as we would have to factor in court days. At the moment, we don’t have to worry about administration days.

[dieseldog999]

BossHogg:
Oh no he isn’t.

^^^^^^^
you dont mean to imply that he is telling porkies and is just another over qualified ex whatever fanny with a good imagination related to truck driving passing the time between counting his stocks and shares■■?

[good_friend]

Where’s Euro Truck Spotter when you need him?..