Fatboy slimslow:
A lot of bollox and bullstein as per usual! The driver decides! His licence, his fatigue and guess what? His CHOICE too!firms making it up as they go along! NO
Couldn’t agree more…
It could be for the security of the load, if it is high value they won’t want it unattended in a dodgy area (cue the comments ref unpaid security guards).
Conor:
hitch:
would it cause you any hassle to take a break where they request itIf its on a loading bay then most likely there’s no ability to get something to eat, sometimes no ability to use the toilet and you can’t go for a walk to stretch your legs. Being forced to take a break sat in the cab or in a drivers waiting room for me is not a break from work, regardless of whether it meets the legal criteria.
We had this argument with a pallet firm who wanted to deduct for breaks for night trunkers even though they paid straight through on days. Their argument was we had 4hrs at the hub between arrival and departure where we were waiting to load/unload and we could take it then. Our argument was we couldn’t really leave the truck or the hub. In the end we used the nuclear option, PoA, pointing out that it actually met the criteria of PoA so if they were going to stop money for breaks then we’d run down to the hub, stick it on PoA for all the waiting time and stop for 45 minutes halfway back.
If it’s on a bay and you have to sit in a drivers rest room while it is being tipped then you are not freely allowed to dispose of your time as you wish and shouldn’t put it on break. VOSA were parked outside Amazon Rugeley the other week doing spot checks on drivers who had it on break whilst they were sat in the drivers room.
A couple of drivers who go there regularly told me some had been done by VOSA a few week before for this precise thing.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Conor:
hitch:
would it cause you any hassle to take a break where they request itIf its on a loading bay then most likely there’s no ability to get something to eat, sometimes no ability to use the toilet and you can’t go for a walk to stretch your legs. Being forced to take a break sat in the cab or in a drivers waiting room for me is not a break from work, regardless of whether it meets the legal criteria.
We had this argument with a pallet firm who wanted to deduct for breaks for night trunkers even though they paid straight through on days. Their argument was we had 4hrs at the hub between arrival and departure where we were waiting to load/unload and we could take it then. Our argument was we couldn’t really leave the truck or the hub. In the end we used the nuclear option, PoA, pointing out that it actually met the criteria of PoA so if they were going to stop money for breaks then we’d run down to the hub, stick it on PoA for all the waiting time and stop for 45 minutes halfway back.
If it’s on a bay and you have to sit in a drivers rest room while it is being tipped then you are not freely allowed to dispose of your time as you wish and shouldn’t put it on break. VOSA were parked outside Amazon Rugeley the other week doing spot checks on drivers who had it on break whilst they were sat in the drivers room.
A couple of drivers who go there regularly told me some had been done by VOSA a few week before for this precise thing.
You don’t have to be able to freely dispose of your time when on break, the only legal requirements for a break is that you’re not working and are able to use the time exclusively for recuperation.
The DVSA could not legally penalise anyone for having a break in a drivers waiting room.
Being able to freely dispose of your time is the requirement for a rest period.
tachograph:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Conor:
hitch:
would it cause you any hassle to take a break where they request itIf its on a loading bay then most likely there’s no ability to get something to eat, sometimes no ability to use the toilet and you can’t go for a walk to stretch your legs. Being forced to take a break sat in the cab or in a drivers waiting room for me is not a break from work, regardless of whether it meets the legal criteria.
We had this argument with a pallet firm who wanted to deduct for breaks for night trunkers even though they paid straight through on days. Their argument was we had 4hrs at the hub between arrival and departure where we were waiting to load/unload and we could take it then. Our argument was we couldn’t really leave the truck or the hub. In the end we used the nuclear option, PoA, pointing out that it actually met the criteria of PoA so if they were going to stop money for breaks then we’d run down to the hub, stick it on PoA for all the waiting time and stop for 45 minutes halfway back.
If it’s on a bay and you have to sit in a drivers rest room while it is being tipped then you are not freely allowed to dispose of your time as you wish and shouldn’t put it on break. VOSA were parked outside Amazon Rugeley the other week doing spot checks on drivers who had it on break whilst they were sat in the drivers room.
A couple of drivers who go there regularly told me some had been done by VOSA a few week before for this precise thing.You don’t have to be able to freely dispose of your time when on break, the only legal requirements for a break is that you’re not working and are able to use the time exclusively for recuperation.
The DVSA could not legally penalise anyone for having a break in a drivers waiting room.
Being able to freely dispose of your time is the requirement for a rest period.
Correct, because otherwise double manned rules would not allow drivers to take their 45 minutes break in a moving vehicle
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
If it’s on a bay and you have to sit in a drivers rest room while it is being tipped then you are not freely allowed to dispose of your time as you wish and shouldn’t put it on break. VOSA were parked outside Amazon Rugeley the other week doing spot checks on drivers who had it on break whilst they were sat in the drivers room.
A couple of drivers who go there regularly told me some had been done by VOSA a few week before for this precise thing.
A couple of drivers who go in there regularly are full of crap so give them a wide berth. They did not get done by VOSA for this precise thing as it is not an offence. Being able to freely dispose of your time is a requirement for REST not Break, they are not the same thing.
Royal mail plan tbeir shifts including breaks
Employed agency or even a subby
They do it thus to fit in around dealines etc and get breaks in
Not always to the max coukd be after 3 hrs drive but all do e and at which site to take
Ive edited as mis read your post. Thought you were talking about rest periods. I’ve never worked for a company that micro managed location of 45 min breaks. I originally wrote this post to say absolutely no problem when it comes to a company planning your location for daily rest - hopefully they take into account a safe place that’s suitable etc. like I say, never worked for a company that micro manages locations of breaks. Modern HGV driving I guess.