Olog Hai:
Winseer:
Isn’t it odd how the Left and the EU bang on about “workers losing rights” like “Paid holidays” but keep very quiet about this practice mentioned above of “paying from card in to card out only”, which surely is Bent?
You have such a chip on your shoulder.
Paid holidays are governed by the law and the subject affects everyone that is an employee. Whether a lorry driver is paid to what his card says or otherwise is certainly not governed by law, is a matter for the employer and employee to agree between themselves and affects only a small percentage of the working population. There is absolutely no correlation between the two and I have no idea why ‘the Left’ (sic) as you describe it would have any interest in the latter.
I struggle to understand why you always want to paint some lorry drivers (including yourself) as hard done to, and as the victims of something that is outside their control. The answer is very simple: If a firm operates in a manner that you don’t like, don’t work there.
I went for a job once that was paid by the load. ‘What happens if the wagon breaks down or there’s a four-hour wait to tip?’, says I. ‘Hard [zb], you get paid by the load’ was the gist of the reply. That was the end of that conversation.
I think you’ve got the wrong end of my stick here.
There was never any danger to UK workers “Losing their paid holidays”. I’m not one of those that believes the lie, but despair at the way the same lie gets bandied about.
It’s not a problem at work at all, so there’s no chip-on-shoulder to be had, at least not from me.
When I say “The Left”, it’s quite correct that you point out that I may have erred in ■■■■■■■■■ the wrong group here. I, of course meant “Remainers”, which are neither Left, Right, nor Center.
Those arguing that “We’ll lose paid holidays if we Leave the EU” are the same group that say the “£350m on the side of the bus was a lie”, when in fact - it’s just as yet failed to materialize.
The country is still paying it to Brussels, so it can’t be spent on the NHS unless the country takes out a loan from the EU (Issues new bonds the ECB then buys a large chunk of).
The only part the “Left” have in all this I guess, is that they want money spent, even if we don’t have it yet. Irresponsible or not - the results of elections past, present, and future - are about what governments SPEND rather than what they “save”.
No one likes a “Saver” really. If the Tories get their hands on that £350m - if they don’t then spend it ALL - they’ll still lose the next election.
If they don’t get their hands on it at all - they’ll also lose the next election.
A Labour government is as imminent as when Blair took over the party, and no - I didn’t like nor vote for him either.
I just got on with my life throughout the Labour years, disconnected from politics.
I have only been wildly politically active during periods of “hung parliaments” like 2010-2015, and of course again - now.
The effect this all has on “early finishes” is that in our austerity workplace we’ve had for some time now - if you can’t get paid overtime (See my other thread “The Quest for Overtime”) then you’re going to try and carve the job up instead. Minimalism becomes fashionable, even though I personally find it irritating when people all around “leave something important to someone else”…
That happens wherever one works, at some point…
In the meantime, get paid as much as you can for doing as few hours as you can - but don’t shirk on the work whilst doing those fewer hours. That’s my ethic.