bigvern1:
I think having the CPC is a bargaining tool. How many aren’t gonna bother? How many companies will be searching for decent “qualified” drivers? I think we’re gonna be in a better position jobwise once fully qualified.
As everyone will be required to have it in order to continue driving after September then how will drivers be “in a better position jobwise once fully qualified” ? Likewise, how are the companies going to source “decent qualified drivers” when all drivers will have it? I don’t think you’ve thought that one through too well.
I don’t have my CPC ticket and yet my phone doesn’t stop ringing with work while drivers than have their CPC ticket are sat at home waiting for their phone to ring. That just goes to show what a complete shambles it is with it being nothing more than a pointless box-ticking exercise and basically a tax on our job.
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bigvern1:
I think having the CPC is a bargaining tool. How many aren’t gonna bother? How many companies will be searching for decent “qualified” drivers? I think we’re gonna be in a better position jobwise once fully qualified.
As everyone will be required to have it in order to continue driving after September then how will drivers be “in a better position jobwise once fully qualified” ? Likewise, how are the companies going to source “decent qualified drivers” when all drivers will have it? I don’t think you’ve thought that one through too well.
I don’t have my CPC ticket and yet my phone doesn’t stop ringing with work while drivers than have their CPC ticket are sat at home waiting for their phone to ring. That just goes to show what a complete shambles it is with it being nothing more than a pointless box-ticking exercise and basically a tax on our job.
Does that mean you hold other tickets like Moffet, or is it just they and you don’t work for the same agencies?
Winseer:
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bigvern1:
I think having the CPC is a bargaining tool. How many aren’t gonna bother? How many companies will be searching for decent “qualified” drivers? I think we’re gonna be in a better position jobwise once fully qualified.
As everyone will be required to have it in order to continue driving after September then how will drivers be “in a better position jobwise once fully qualified” ? Likewise, how are the companies going to source “decent qualified drivers” when all drivers will have it? I don’t think you’ve thought that one through too well.
I don’t have my CPC ticket and yet my phone doesn’t stop ringing with work while drivers than have their CPC ticket are sat at home waiting for their phone to ring. That just goes to show what a complete shambles it is with it being nothing more than a pointless box-ticking exercise and basically a tax on our job.
Does that mean you hold other tickets like Moffet, or is it just they and you don’t work for the same agencies?
Not sure I understand you. Basically the company doesn’t see the CPC as adding any value or doesn’t believe it makes a driver any better, hence why they prefer to continue using me sans-CPC over a driver that’s done the CPC.
Supply and demand should result in a slight move in favour of the driver which will be a good thing. My concern is that big business will begin to struggle, lobby government and the the goalposts get moved. Regardless of what most think of the DCPC it is, in principle, a sound idea. As the job becomes more demanding ensuring that everyone is suitably trained and qualified is a good thing. The problem now is that the raising of the bar has been ill thought out ( the content of the DCPC has little credibility) and has coincided with an influx of drivers from cheaper markets. September will be something of an acid test for the employers and government. If they are true to their word and support raising safety and standards then they will hold their resolve and the drivers will have their attainment reflected in their earnings. Making the DCPC more relevant in order to maintain the increased benefits will then be a goal for employers, employers and government. Fingers crossed!
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I don’t have my CPC ticket and yet my phone doesn’t stop ringing with work while drivers than have their CPC ticket are sat at home waiting for their phone to ring.
Perhaps you’re undercharging? I’d rather have 3 days at £12 an hour than 4 days at £9.
Well it’s obvious to me, that there are a lot of…“I ain’t ■■■■■■■ paying to do the CPC” drivers out there. The one’s that gob off and say they’d rather walk than comply. So the way I see it, is companies will have a shortage of drivers with the qualification. Hence more employment opportunities.
Driveroneuk:
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I don’t have my CPC ticket and yet my phone doesn’t stop ringing with work while drivers than have their CPC ticket are sat at home waiting for their phone to ring.
Perhaps you’re undercharging? I’d rather have 3 days at £12 an hour than 4 days at £9.
Undercharging in general? Possibly, but there is a local pay ceiling in this area. Undercharging in comparison to other drivers? Absolutely not. A screenshot of my earnings for a month of this year were posted in my first post on this forum, in response to some comments about driver pay.
bigvern1:
Well it’s obvious to me, that there are a lot of…“I ain’t [zb] paying to do the CPC” drivers out there. The one’s that gob off and say they’d rather walk than comply. So the way I see it, is companies will have a shortage of drivers with the qualification. Hence more employment opportunities.
Thats the way i see it too. Unfortunatley all the over experienced guys who know it all and can’t find an employer to put them through it will say its a “tax on our jobs”. Who wouldn’t pay the price of a DCPC to keep a job that pays almost a grand a week (IF YOU BELIEVE SOME POSTS)?
Left hand down!:
Undercharging in general? Possibly, but there is a local pay ceiling in this area. Undercharging in comparison to other drivers? Absolutely not. A screenshot of my earnings for a month of this year were posted in my first post on this forum, in response to some comments about driver pay.
Not read the thread at this point but a quick look at the screen shot would seem to indicate you definately are not undercharging. 
Assuming 5 x 13 hrs per week would seem to be somewhere round about (average) £15 an hour.
Can I take over your work after 9th Sept?
Mike-C:
bigvern1:
Well it’s obvious to me, that there are a lot of…“I ain’t [zb] paying to do the CPC” drivers out there. The one’s that gob off and say they’d rather walk than comply. So the way I see it, is companies will have a shortage of drivers with the qualification. Hence more employment opportunities.
Thats the way i see it too. Unfortunatley all the over experienced guys who know it all and can’t find an employer to put them through it will say its a “tax on our jobs”. Who wouldn’t pay the price of a DCPC to keep a job that pays almost a grand a week (IF YOU BELIEVE SOME POSTS)?
Why should they? Do you always roll over and say “how high?” when someone says “jump!” to you Mike C? I suspect not. Like I’ve already said, it’s nothing more than a box-ticking exercise and adds nothing of any value to the job which I’m already more than capable of doing in the safest/professional/most economical ways possible. Having a piece of £500 plastic card won’t change a thing other than leave me £500 out of pocket. It won’t give me any advantage over another driver because he too will also require said piece of £500 card to drive and nor will it allow me to increase the rates to my clients for the exact same reason.
The driver’s earnings are irrelevant. He could be on £1000 per day or £1000 per month but it’s still £500 off the top line for absolutely diddlysquat in return except being able to continue doing the exact same job he’s been doing for the past god knows how long.
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Mike-C:
Thats the way i see it too. Unfortunatley all the over experienced guys who know it all and can’t find an employer to put them through it will say its a “tax on our jobs”. Who wouldn’t pay the price of a DCPC to keep a job that pays almost a grand a week (IF YOU BELIEVE SOME POSTS)?
Why should they? Do you always roll over and say “how high?” when someone says “jump!” to you Mike C? I suspect not. Like I’ve already said, it’s nothing more than a box-ticking exercise and adds nothing of any value to the job which I’m already more than capable of doing in the safest/professional/most economical ways possible. Having a piece of £500 plastic card won’t change a thing other than leave me £500 out of pocket. It won’t give me any advantage over another driver because he too will also require said piece of £500 card to drive and nor will it allow me to increase the rates to my clients for the exact same reason.
The driver’s earnings are irrelevant. He could be on £1000 per day or £1000 per month but it’s still £500 off the top line for absolutely diddlysquat in return except being able to continue doing the exact same job he’s been doing for the past god knows how long.
You’ve just posted straight off the head, you’ve never really give a thought to what you just posted apart from “i don’t agree with the DCPC” have you?
Ok, lets say i agree with you. Wages are nothing to do with it, nor is the cost. Its a principle thing…
Law says you gotta have one. Many companies are putting their drivers through it,or hoping they can recruit drivers with it or that have done a major part of it.
Do it, or don’t do it. What are you really expecting in September, a load of good employers to ■■■■ up and say “■■■■, we got no drivers?” Or, loads of “do as you like, self employed,agency drivers” thinking ■■■■, i can’t go to work, i’ll need to up my game?"
If i see my local Tescos shelves empty, i’ll concur you’re right. I’ll get back to you in September, in the mean time me and the missus are building a food bunker in the yard. Just incase you’re right.
No, there’s way, way too many muppets in the job as it is & this won’t change with the exodus.
bigvern1 wrote:
I think having the CPC is a bargaining tool. How many aren’t gonna bother? How many companies will be searching for decent “qualified” drivers? I think we’re gonna be in a better position jobwise once fully qualified.
As everyone will be required to have it in order to continue driving after September then how will drivers be “in a better position jobwise once fully qualified” ? Likewise, how are the companies going to source “decent qualified drivers” when all drivers will have it? I don’t think you’ve thought that one through too well.
I don’t have my CPC ticket and yet my phone doesn’t stop ringing with work while drivers than have their CPC ticket are sat at home waiting for their phone to ring. That just goes to show what a complete shambles it is with it being nothing more than a pointless box-ticking exercise and basically a tax on our job. LETS SEE IF IT RINGS COME SEPTEMBER 
My point was made earlier. There will be some that don’t want to do the CPC, making the job market a little better for those seeking. Nothing wrong with my rationale! 
bigvern1:
… Nothing wrong with my rationale!
Agreed!!
IMHO, some bosses just (possibly) might not see it that way for a while after September 10th, cos this is all new and could take a little time to settle.
My rationale is that I think drivers will compare notes and then vote with their feet in exactly the same way that have always done.
I also think that September could provide a little wake-up call to some firms.
Once it arrives, this year’s Xmas rush might get to be quite interesting. 
dieseldave:
bigvern1:
… Nothing wrong with my rationale!
Agreed!!
IMHO, some bosses just (possibly) might not see it that way for a while after September 10th, cos this is all new and could take a little time to settle.
My rationale is that I think drivers will compare notes and then vote with their feet in exactly the same way that have always done.
I also think that September could provide a little wake-up call to some firms.
Once it arrives, this year’s Xmas rush might get to be quite interesting.
absolutely 
factors to consider
- The number of drivers past or approaching retirement that won’t bother with the DCPC
- The reduction in the number of newly qualified drivers available to the industry due to the cost/hassle of the C+E
- The insurance premiums on employing newly qualified drivers
- As the economy picks up the jobs market and pay will increase outside the haulage industry reducing the attraction (
) of driving as a job
- As the economy picks up more freight will require to be moved
there is only one way things are going to go
I agree with all your points Chicane.
Cue the disappointed driver’s faces in September…
“Why don’t you go the whole hog, black my face and make me pick cotton”? 
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Scary 
most employed drivers will be put through it so no cost or wage difference
casual drivers will either get it or get out of driving. No wage difference!
attracting drivers with a wage war is not going to happen because there is no choice between with or without DCPC. No DCPC means no driving job at all. Having it means you will get work but you are no more qualified than the driver stood next to you so why would anyone pay more for you?