i spent 6 hours at sainsburys dhl coventry on monday. they stand over you while you lock thecab and put a padlock on the red airline then ■■■■■■ you to the canteen area and told to stay put until called good job its got asmoking area . i had a40ft box with hanging garments. i dont suppose its to bad if its only a few pallets but i really could have done with a flipping kip . if any other boxdraggers get the job go sick
Goaty:
Wheel chocks ?Red airline lock ?
Cost ?
That is all it needs. The best system in the UK is at LUK in Sheffield. You back on any ramp, take your CMR in, they give you an airline lock corresponding to that ramp, the key from the airlock then fits a box that holds the key to the loading bay door. When the trailer is finished they shut the door, retrieve the airlock key and Robert is your mothers brother. Seemples 
There are many other simple methods available, non of which mean handing keys in or restricting a cab to its rightful occupant.
The common sense approach would be to immobilize the trailer in some way, a lock that goes over the red airline is far & away the simplest solution, that’s what they use in the USA & it works, the driver can try all he wants, but he ain’t going anywhere until the lock is removed, this way no waiting room is required, no driver then gets that frustrated that he feels the need to destroy the facilities provided or feels the need to talk a load of bollox for the duration, everyones a winner
Mind you the HSE bloke will then be made redundant so don’t hold your breath (unless you’re under water) 
Goaty:
Wheel chocks ?Red airline lock ?
Cost ?
Just to ■■■■ on my own cornflakes,
Shunt button !
Wheel Nut:
Goaty:
Wheel chocks ?Red airline lock ?
Cost ?
That is all it needs. The best system in the UK is at LUK in Sheffield. You back on any ramp, take your CMR in, they give you an airline lock corresponding to that ramp, the key from the airlock then fits a box that holds the key to the loading bay door. When the trailer is finished they shut the door, retrieve the airlock key and Robert is your mothers brother. Seemples
There are many other simple methods available, non of which mean handing keys in or restricting a cab to its rightful occupant.
So you have disconnected the red airline and put a lock on it? If I wanted to move then, I could just push the shunt button?
Basically, we all know that this is because there is some ■■■■ that wears a Hi Viz that has “Health and Safety Official” on the back of it and he needs to justify his existence.
I did ask at Sainsburys, Tamworth the other Sunday whether they were all in competition to see who could come up with the most ridiculous way of immobilising a vehicle. There, you now have to back onto the bay, drop the trailer, park across the yard and then hand the keys in!!! It is the last part that pees me off!!! Salvesens at Nuneaton has to be the worst I have come across though. Pulling a close coupled fridge is a nightmare when going in there. Back on bay, split the rig, go get their ‘Salvo Lock’, take red airline off, drop said Lock under unit, go back to security to get keys back handing back said lock at same time. Recouple to pull forward and retrieve said Lock. Take keys back to security to get lock again. Split again, take airline off again and put the poxy ■■■■■■ Lock on. Then take keys back and gop sit in the canteen for an hour. All this in the ■■■■■■■ down of rain too.
TheBear:
So you have disconnected the red airline and put a lock on it? If I wanted to move then, I could just push the shunt button?
Basically, we all know that this is because there is some [zb] that wears a Hi Viz that has “Health and Safety Official” on the back of it and he needs to justify his existence.
I did ask at Sainsburys, Tamworth the other Sunday whether they were all in competition to see who could come up with the most ridiculous way of immobilising a vehicle. There, you now have to back onto the bay, drop the trailer, park across the yard and then hand the keys in!!! It is the last part that pees me off!!! Salvesens at Nuneaton has to be the worst I have come across though. Pulling a close coupled fridge is a nightmare when going in there. Back on bay, split the rig, go get their ‘Salvo Lock’, take red airline off, drop said Lock under unit, go back to security to get keys back handing back said lock at same time. Recouple to pull forward and retrieve said Lock. Take keys back to security to get lock again. Split again, take airline off again and put the poxy ■■■■■■ Lock on. Then take keys back and gop sit in the canteen for an hour. All this in the ■■■■■■■ down of rain too.
you forgot about the wheel chocks and the trailer brake, as well as the handbrake in the cab, the air line lock, the handing of keys in, the key for the airline lock is electromagnetically locked onto the bay door and it can only be released from the inside, all this and i was still not allowed to go to sleep in my cab, i was there for three hours loading a reefer container
they said it was for “health and safety”
so, when they told me to turn the gen set on, sorry mate, not my job 
health and safety asn all that, i not allowed to touch it
TheBear:
Wheel Nut:
Goaty:
Wheel chocks ?Red airline lock ?
Cost ?
That is all it needs. The best system in the UK is at LUK in Sheffield. You back on any ramp, take your CMR in, they give you an airline lock corresponding to that ramp, the key from the airlock then fits a box that holds the key to the loading bay door. When the trailer is finished they shut the door, retrieve the airlock key and Robert is your mothers brother. Seemples
There are many other simple methods available, none of which mean handing keys in or restricting a cab to its rightful occupant.
So you have disconnected the red airline and put a lock on it? If I wanted to move then, I could just push the shunt button?
You could also just drag the empty trailer across the yard with the wheels skidding on the concrete, but you wouldn’t. the red airline lock would prevent someone from knocking off the handbrake as they are ■■■■■■■■■■■■ or polishing the dashboard.
As for Salvesen / Dentressangle. I tipped a mega trailer in Gloucester. The trailer is too low to reverse between the docks so had to use the ramp. Hi Viz, boots helmet, Chock both trailer and unit wheels. remove red air line & hand keys in, then sit in tea room.
The forkie drove into the trailer and took 2 pallets out, the weight of the fork truck and lack of air pressure had him stuck in the trailer because of the acute angle of the ramp.
I had to keep returning to the truck, to build up the air, return keys to the office and return to the canteen. Its ■■■■■■■■ I tell you ■■■■■■■■
TheBear:
Wheel Nut:
Goaty:
Wheel chocks ?Red airline lock ?
Cost ?
That is all it needs. The best system in the UK is at LUK in Sheffield. You back on any ramp, take your CMR in, they give you an airline lock corresponding to that ramp, the key from the airlock then fits a box that holds the key to the loading bay door. When the trailer is finished they shut the door, retrieve the airlock key and Robert is your mothers brother. Seemples
There are many other simple methods available, none of which mean handing keys in or restricting a cab to its rightful occupant.
So you have disconnected the red airline and put a lock on it? If I wanted to move then, I could just push the shunt button?
And if you’re parked on level ground, you can leave your handbrake off and go and hand your keys in. The motor won’t go anywhere until…
If you want to beat the system you can, it doesn’t matter how many ridiculous hoops they have you jumping through. The only unbeatable system is the one that grabs the trailer wheels with a big metal bar, but even that’s not good enough for some places, they still want to sit and admire you in a waiting room.
Reading this lot just reinforces my decision not to drive a wagon any more.
When I started we didn’t have such a thing as RDCs they sneaked up on us. I used to have to tip at Morrisons Wakefield and Morrisons Northwich. Should have taken about 6 hours to do the round trip. It never took less that 12. In the end I got banned from Wakefield for telling the stupid security guard to open the rear doors himself, was he incapable or what lol.
Although they tried to lean on the supplier first rather than actually ban me. They said don’t use this company (us) or we won’t buy from you!!! I know this for a fact, I saw the letter.
Eventually I left the game and if asked, I would say the top reason for leaving trucking was RDCs and their stupid rules and regulations.
Incidentally does anybody know of 1 case where a driver pulled off a bay while he was still being tipped■■? I mean actually saw it, not had it from someone else??
No neither do I.
By Pallex must Driver put there Key in the Warehouse on a hook.
Once phoned the warehouse Manager a depot telling them that the Driver left theres Site with Lorry,but left Key behind 
Was a Bundle from a Scrap Yard,he had for such
maybe some official guidelines from the HSE would be a start. everyone is bringing up the worst offenders but you all know ■■■■ well that there is no uniformity between RDCs outside companies. you go to an RDC that wants your keys and you where they can see you. then you go next door where you are allowed to sit in the cab with the ignition on listening to the radio. i have even been to an RDC where their own drivers must hand keys in but they dont enforce that with visiting drivers which is nothing short of absurd to me. you would think they would have more trust in their own drivers 
the arguement about using the shunt button to get round the red line lock doesnt make sense. while techically possible, why would you want to do that? if you are sitting in the cab being tipped, what possible reason would you have to suddenly feel the need to get out and push the shunt button? accurate but totally unrealistic 
From reading many threads on RDCs it seems to me that the companies at such want the truck which has their goods or is to be loaded with their goods but do not want the truck to contain a driver if that driver is not one of their own.
I have summed this up about right 
Ahh the shunt valve, forgot about that, we don’t have them, once the red line is off that’s it
My coat is on & I’m gone…
scanny77:
maybe some official guidelines from the HSE would be a start. everyone is bringing up the worst offenders but you all know ■■■■ well that there is no uniformity between RDCs outside companies. you go to an RDC that wants your keys and you where they can see you. then you go next door where you are allowed to sit in the cab with the ignition on listening to the radio. i have even been to an RDC where their own drivers must hand keys in but they dont enforce that with visiting drivers which is nothing short of absurd to me. you would think they would have more trust in their own driversthe arguement about using the shunt button to get round the red line lock doesnt make sense. while techically possible, why would you want to do that? if you are sitting in the cab being tipped, what possible reason would you have to suddenly feel the need to get out and push the shunt button? accurate but totally unrealistic
I completely agree with you scanny. I think the the point is that you can travel hundreds of miles through weather, traffic, fatigue, deadline stress, blah blah blah BUT you are not to be trusted with the same vehicle while stationary at said RDC.
The fact that you COULD push the shunt button or otherwise circumvent saftey equipment means that you will.
Speaking for myself, I’ve killed nearly as many forklift drivers by dragging the trailer off the bay while tipping as I’ve murdered prostitutes! 
dont get me wrong Goaty. i am not defending the RDCs. if it was up to me the standard practice would be an air line lock and the driver can get his head down. i do not doubt the fact that there have been isolated cases of drive offs but what is the ratio between incidents and no incidents? probably the same as split coupling but some allow it, others dont. you can only do so much to prevent accidents and there is a line between sensible and just being a pain in the arse. more and more are crossing that line in more ways than one
i had always 2 set key with me.
you don’t switch the hot engine off when you climed the brenner or what.engine were running,door locked with second key,and done
Fortunately ,I’ve done very little RDC work.However,I did earn a living driving in Canada and the U.S,where this was never really an issue.The dock/flt staff push a button,the dock plate is then in place.Another button is pushed and a hook ‘grabs’ the under-run bar. All secure. A red light shows that you’re not going anywhere and won’t be,until a green light is showing. I always dropped the trailer air,so there was no ‘bounce’ and my wait was more comfortable. I’d usually stay in the truck and wait for the green light,before going in for the paperwork.Depending on the season,I’d have the engine running on high idle,to work the a/c or heater — 40 degrees plus humidity in Miami,or minus 40 in northern Manitoba can be a might uncomfortable. I guess it’s all down to the cost versus the convenience/safety aspect,but that’s my experience of the job and maybe some of the ‘ex-pat’ drivers will add their views.
Although some rdc’s go a bit far and should supply you with better facilities…the headache for every site manager…is the stupid/accidental actions of just one driver…in a million… Much better to inconvience the 999,999 others…for the safety of every single folk working in the warehouse…(there the one’s whom usually come off worse)…
Let us be honest…RDC’s don’t just suddenly decided to bring in these draconian rules for the fun of it…a driver has done something stupid/accidental…drivers have been taking the ■■■■ by handing in second key’s…warehouse staff have/nearly…been seriously hurt or killed…etc…You have to take action…Your first priority isn’t for the comfort and convience of visiting drivers or your own…but the safety of everyone…Better send a driver off…■■■■■■■■ and whinging…than someone horizontally.
Let us be fair…as we drive along everyday…we see some drivers do some stupid and arrogant things…that blow your mind…Now imagine if you had to work in the warehouse for a day loading and tipping…would you feel confident knowing the trucks your working on could be driven by such a drivers…or would you feel much more confident know there were draconian practices in that kept these fools away from the truck…whilst you worked on it.
As said some RDC’s go a bit far…but overall i support them…cos i have respect for the warehouse staff…and there families…Learn to accept this is the way things are…Today is Today…Yesterday was Yesterday…There are plenty of toys out there to keep you entertained…come join the rest of us…
SuperSmiley:
Although some rdc’s go a bit far and should supply you with better facilities…the headache for every site manager…is the stupid/accidental actions of just one driver…in a million… Much better to inconvience the 999,999 others…for the safety of every single folk working in the warehouse…(there the one’s whom usually come off worse)…Let us be honest…RDC’s don’t just suddenly decided to bring in these draconian rules for the fun of it…a driver has done something stupid/accidental…drivers have been taking the ■■■■ by handing in second key’s…warehouse staff have/nearly…been seriously hurt or killed…etc…You have to take action…Your first priority isn’t for the comfort and convience of visiting drivers or your own…but the safety of everyone…Better send a driver off…■■■■■■■■ and whinging…than someone horizontally.
Let us be fair…as we drive along everyday…we see some drivers do some stupid and arrogant things…that blow your mind…Now imagine if you had to work in the warehouse for a day loading and tipping…would you feel confident knowing the trucks your working on could be driven by such a drivers…or would you feel much more confident know there were draconian practices in that kept these fools away from the truck…whilst you worked on it.
As said some RDC’s go a bit far…but overall i support them…cos i have respect for the warehouse staff…and there families…Learn to accept this is the way things are…Today is Today…Yesterday was Yesterday…There are plenty of toys out there to keep you entertained…come join the rest of us…
If you knew the reasons why the rules were brought in…Well the reason is for them to cover themselves, to save a few quid on insurance policies and to ensure that they can get insurance in the first place.
The rules are thought up by a suit who has never or will never do the job, they are only interested in saving money, people have no value whatsoever until they have to pay for them through the negligence of others, if drivers have to suffer in a way that will not cost them money, but will save them money, then so be it.
I know, I used to deal with these ■■■■■■■■■ on a weekly/monthly basis…One of the reasons for getting out of the bullmanure environment and getting a real job, before I killed one of these idiots. 
Thats why I shall do what I choose to do for my own comfort at an RDC, I will not indulge them in thier money saving schemes when they make so much profit, especially Tesco