Carryfast:
Or get ahead by laughably suggesting that anyone would prefer to do the local crap for most if not the whole of their career.
There’s a whole world of people who get their LGV licence and are quite happy doing local work for the whole of their career, because it suits their life outside work. Not everybody aspires to drive trucks the length and breadth of Europe.
Other people- and I’d include myself in this category- do different types of work at different stages in their careers.
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
Or get ahead by laughably suggesting that anyone would prefer to do the local crap for most if not the whole of their career.There’s a whole world of people who get their LGV licence and are quite happy doing local work for the whole of their career, because it suits their life outside work. Not everybody aspires to drive trucks the length and breadth of Europe.
Other people- and I’d include myself in this category- do different types of work at different stages in their careers.
Snap. I’ve done local, continental, national, now do mostly days with odd nights out if I fancy a real stretch and time away from the mrs.
Theres jobs out there that suit everyone, except carryfast. Makes me wondering the issue is the entire HGV jobs market or… the odd unemployable, unreasonable individual…
Round and round the Carryfast goes. Where he stops nobody knows !
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
Or get ahead by laughably suggesting that anyone would prefer to do the local crap for most if not the whole of their career.There’s a whole world of people who get their LGV licence and are quite happy doing local work for the whole of their career, because it suits their life outside work. Not everybody aspires to drive trucks the length and breadth of Europe.
Other people- and I’d include myself in this category- do different types of work at different stages in their careers.
Tried to make this point to him so many times but he just doesn’t get it. Some people stay a same company doing same local work decades, for instance where I work many of the farm collection drivers have been there decades. But alas some of us are never content and get bored to easily, alas because I’ve often wished I could be satisfied with one job always the same home every night as many drivers I KNOW are, would make life a lot easier. He just comes up with this nonsense to make him feel better about himself, about the fact he never really tried.
Now let’s wait for the Carryfast bot to swing into action
toonsy:
Theres jobs out there that suit everyone, except carryfast. Makes me wondering the issue is the entire HGV jobs market or… the odd unemployable, unreasonable individual…
It’s obviously the story of the forbidden fruit, The grass looks greener or any number of green eyed sayings. The fact that Mr CF’s aspirational dream job is never quite within his grasp, when, given the amount of time he’s spent and therefore the experience he obviously has of the industry, and yet he cannot progress to where he envisages he is owed, can only have one logical conclusion. The employers of said dream job consider him unemployable.
Experience, tick
Motivation, tick
Attitude, get your coat…
OK folks, let’s boil it down to this:
Who’d give up the job they already have OR take as first job OR come out of retirement to do:-
(1) Knowhow multidrop white goods deliveries around urban centers
(2) Supermarket work for less than £15ph hourly rate agency full time contract
(3) Palletliner runs to midlands hubs Monday-Friday no breaks, take 15 on derv pumps, 30 whilst doing your curtains in tip queue
(4) Tramping 4-5 nights out per week
(5) Euro work - 2 days in blighty per fortnight
(6) Weekends/Bank Holidays/Permanent Nights - for no extra
(7) Jobs that require extra self-funded training tickets of one, such as HIAB/MOFFET
(8) Jobs over 50 miles from where you live, but called in with around 1hrs notice on a regular basis
(9) There is no (9)
If none of those jobs take your fancy, and you’d rather stay in the job you have now, take early retirement, or can blag a job despite not having 2 years experience under your belt…
The “shortage” can only be filled by those literally conned into taking the job…
…And all before other “cons” like Umbrella, “Rolled Up Holiday Pay” (now illegal?) and working over 60 hours every week for pay cut off at 56 hours comes into consideration. 
As it’s a long night , I’m bored , I’ve been looking at jobs ( Grantham / Newark ) , lots more jobs with loads of shifts to suits etc etc ,
I’d look at ■■■■ , but got a message on phone recently saying you’d looked at site 36 times in last x amount of time , if I didn’t know better mrs has been checking , so look at jobs , football & on here now , how do they know ?
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
Or get ahead by laughably suggesting that anyone would prefer to do the local crap for most if not the whole of their career.There’s a whole world of people who get their LGV licence and are quite happy doing local work for the whole of their career, because it suits their life outside work. Not everybody aspires to drive trucks the length and breadth of Europe.
Other people- and I’d include myself in this category- do different types of work at different stages in their careers.
I’m not saying that there aren’t exceptions that prove rules.
But in general if there are four drivers and the guvnor wants a return run London to Milan and another for Glasgow v two regular local multi drop jobs all the usual pecking order fight over who does what will then ensue and it won’t be because 3 of the 4 drivers all want to do the local zb.
We’re generally drivers and we like to drive places and that applies whether we’re 20+ or 60+ who would have thought it.
LazyDriver:
toonsy:
Theres jobs out there that suit everyone, except carryfast. Makes me wondering the issue is the entire HGV jobs market or… the odd unemployable, unreasonable individual…It’s obviously the story of the forbidden fruit, The grass looks greener or any number of green eyed sayings. The fact that Mr CF’s aspirational dream job is never quite within his grasp, when, given the amount of time he’s spent and therefore the experience he obviously has of the industry, and yet he cannot progress to where he envisages he is owed, can only have one logical conclusion. The employers of said dream job consider him unemployable.
Experience, tick
Motivation, tick
Attitude, get your coat…
Spot on. Made this point several times but he’s spent over 20 years lying to him self about the reasons so I don’t think anyone will get through to that particular brick
Harry Monk:
There does seem to be an increase in demand for drivers in the West Midlands in 2021 and the agency rate seems to be up by around £1-£2 per hour so perhaps things are moving the right way.
The same is happening around my manor Harry.
Wages in the North West gaining altitude rapidly mate. I’m on over £13 per hour all of a sudden Mon-Fri days general haulage 
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
Or get ahead by laughably suggesting that anyone would prefer to do the local crap for most if not the whole of their career.There’s a whole world of people who get their LGV licence and are quite happy doing local work for the whole of their career, because it suits their life outside work. Not everybody aspires to drive trucks the length and breadth of Europe.
Other people- and I’d include myself in this category- do different types of work at different stages in their careers.
I’m not saying that there aren’t exceptions that prove rules.
But in general if there are four drivers and the guvnor wants a return run London to Milan and another for Glasgow v two regular local multi drop jobs all the usual pecking order fight over who does what will then ensue and it won’t be because 3 of the 4 drivers all want to do the local zb.
We’re generally drivers and we like to drive places and that applies whether we’re 20+ or 60+ who would have thought it.
Yes but if you’d have had a career longer than five minutes you’d realise that we all want different things at different points in our career. 20 years ago I was stuck on coaches desperate to drive a truck to Milan , or anywhere abroad, 10 years ago I was doing work like that and loving it, 5 years ago a mix of that and U.K. and falling out of love with it all & right now not much interest, when I go back to work it’ll be back to 4 on 4 off on milk. U.K. & Ireland but if I had my way I wouldn’t leave Wales! Dad who’s in 60’s is much the same. Suits me fine. Will it forever? Who knows
switchlogic:
Yes but if you’d have had a career longer than five minutes you’d realise that we all want different things at different points in our career. 20 years ago I was stuck on coaches desperate to drive a truck to Milan , or anywhere abroad, 10 years ago I was doing work like that and loving it, 5 years ago a mix of that and U.K. and falling out of love with it all & right now not much interest, when I go back to work it’ll be back to 4 on 4 off on milk. Suits me fine. Will it forever? Who knows
A reasoned…
Logical and sensible response.
Which will completely lost on Mr Alwaysright.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
I’m not saying that there aren’t exceptions that prove rules.
We’re generally drivers and we like to drive places and that applies whether we’re 20+ or 60+ who would have thought it.Yes but if you’d have had a career longer than five minutes you’d realise that we all want different things at different points in our career. 20 years ago I was stuck on coaches desperate to drive a truck to Milan , or anywhere abroad, 10 years ago I was doing work like that and loving it, 5 years ago a mix of that and U.K. and falling out of love with it all & right now not much interest, when I go back to work it’ll be back to 4 on 4 off on milk. U.K. & Ireland but if I had my way I wouldn’t leave Wales! Dad who’s in 60’s is much the same. Suits me fine. Will it forever? Who knows
You seem to have issues with understanding the concept of exceptions proving rules.
In general distance type work is over subscribed and laughably coveted by those who’ve got it.
But local building materials/retail deliveries type jobs are justifiably far less attractive and just a quick look at agency vacancies shows that they are the type of jobs that are subject to ‘driver shortages’.
To the point where we’ve got drivers on distance work moaning about too long away from home when there is plenty of local work which they could share if they really wanted it.
A job for more than 5 minutes you’re the one with an average employment measured in months at each job as opposed to mine effectively three employers covering more than 20 years.
switchlogic:
when I go back to work it’ll be back to 4 on 4 off on milk.
With your record for managing to go off-piste on straight and level paved roads, do you think adventuring down narrow country lanes and unpaved farm tracks is a good idea, and in a milk tanker too?
Farmers are not known for their broad minds either fwiw.
DCPCFML:
switchlogic:
when I go back to work it’ll be back to 4 on 4 off on milk.With your record for managing to go off-piste on straight and level paved roads, do you think adventuring down narrow country lanes and unpaved farm tracks is a good idea, and in a milk tanker too?
Farmers are not known for their broad minds either fwiw.
Sounding dangerously like Carryfast there.
DCPCFML:
Farmers are not known for their broad minds either fwiw.
Though you’ve lost me with this random comment?
Carryfast:
A job for more than 5 minutes you’re the one with an average employment measured in months at each job as opposed to mine effectively three employers covering more than 20 years.
Yes, in other words you’re backing up what I said, not a very varied or great deal of experience. 3 employers in 20 years………we all know how jolly and happy that made you! 
I’m years more experienced than you NOW and I’m 43! And I don’t have opinions on and don’t comment on many topics because I don’t have experience of that part of the industry, not something you do since you think you know it all.
And just before you lob rhe predictable ‘you think you’re something special’ nonsense at me again I shall point out, again, that my career is fairly commonplace and I am no better or worse than anyone else who wants to try it, there is nothing special about me or the career I’ve had so far anyone could have had it. Many on here have careers just as varied and more so. We Just have a bit more get up and go than you.
The top one clearly targetted at the Krzysztofs and Bogdans as £1-2 per week is about twice as much as they’d be getting back in Poland.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
LazyDriver:
Carryfast:
Just as it was 40 years ago because it’s still rightly seen as a cut above building materials deliveries and retail distribution.Having said that most drivers don’t enter the industry to spend their careers driving around London and its suburbs regardless of the type of work.Funnily enough, I was going to create a post something along these lines yesterday.
Having started my career in exactly this manner, then graduating (if you like) to more trunking style work. Yesterday I found myself, accidentally driving around Chelmsford, along streets I used to service. I never realised how different and lazy I’d become in my driving. IMO, the flow should be in the opposite direction.Interesting.
Some drivers want just straight line motorway drives.
Some want more involvement with loads in the way of operating cranes etc.
Some want nights out, maybe weekending away in other countries, or home every night.
And the same individual may want all of the above at different stages in their life.
There is no real hierarchy, IMHO, although many feel superior to others for all sorts of reasons.
Each to their own.Logically anyone who ‘prefers’ operating a crane to driving a truck would get all their crane qualifications and then work as a …crane operator.Why would they want to ‘drive’ a truck ?.
The ‘straight line motorway drive’ between Slough/London or even Midlands combined with whatever type of drops/collections/transhipment, isn’t the same thing as the ‘straight line motorway drive’ between Slough/Milan/Rome etc or even Slough/Glasgow.
Hierarchy as in those who are lucky enough to be doing the latter type of runs want to keep them by suggesting that those lumbered with the former work actually prefer it.
Everything else is all variations on the same theme.An industry full of mostly zb work that’s anything but the freedom of the open road and massively over subscribed for the ever deliberately diminishing decent work and those who’ve got it want to keep it at the expense of those who haven’t.
Or get ahead by laughably suggesting that anyone would prefer to do the local crap for most if not the whole of their career.
UK night trunking is an exception that proves the rule for obvious reasons.Or it was until hub system operations mostly wrecked that job too with the exception of the far Northern or Western locations.
As a rule ‘drivers’ generally want to ‘drive’ the further the better and vice versa.That’s your ‘hierarchy’.
Ive done distance/nights out and hated it with a passion, I now only do very local stuff, done mixers, hiab/crane stuff, skip loaders, tippers, milk… and I much prefer this. the closest I get to a motorway is A64, and thats bad enough for me… the money is there if you know where to look, however you may not get the hours that some want. Majority of the guys I have worked with are also of the same mind to be working local only…
dle1uk:
Ive done distance/nights out and hated it with a passion, I now only do very local stuff, done mixers, hiab/crane stuff, skip loaders, tippers, milk… and I much prefer this. the closest I get to a motorway is A64, and thats bad enough for me… the money is there if you know where to look, however you may not get the hours that some want. Majority of the guys I have worked with are also of the same mind to be working local only…
Sorry to break it to you but, you don’t exist! That’s the long and the short of Carryfasts point. You simply don’t exist
