gnasty gnome:
Predictable responses from the Mormons, Quakers and Temperance movement.No-oneās yet answered my initial question though. Iām fully aware that being a vocational licence holder means that you already get treated more severely; I paid the Commissioner a visit back in 1992 and I certainly wasnāt offered tea and biscuits! I donāt have a problem with that; but I would like clarification as to whether being a vocational licence holder makes me subject to the lower threshold if Iām driving a car or riding my motorcycle
If this is indeed the case, it should be strongly resisted; not because it effectively allows more leeway for me to have another half, Iāll simply do as stated in a post above and allow more time before driving, but because it discriminates unfairly against drivers who, by nature of their vocational licence, could be reasonably expected to be more capable drivers in the first place.
Apologies for me not reading the post properly, but Iāve had a fewI should imagine that the legislation would also include a lower limit on your car/bike, as any motoring offence affects either license. I still have no problem with that personally, although it does seem discriminatory. Iāll try and dig around to glean some info from someone āin the knowā.
Regards,
Mark.The irony of course is that it will probably make very little difference to the road death statistics; Iām willing to put a fair few quid down that the majority of drivers caught over the limit donāt even have a valid driving licence never mind a vocational one! As always the law-abiding majority are made to suffer a further restriction of their already limited pleasures to appease the road safety campaigners whose only wish is to see nothing at all on the roads apart from tumbleweed.
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Donāt know what happened there, my bit starts from"apologies" 
brookie:
gnasty gnome:
Predictable responses from the Mormons, Quakers and Temperance movement.No-oneās yet answered my initial question though. Iām fully aware that being a vocational licence holder means that you already get treated more severely; I paid the Commissioner a visit back in 1992 and I certainly wasnāt offered tea and biscuits! I donāt have a problem with that; but I would like clarification as to whether being a vocational licence holder makes me subject to the lower threshold if Iām driving a car or riding my motorcycle.
If this is indeed the case, it should be strongly resisted; not because it effectively allows more leeway for me to have another half, Iāll simply do as stated in a post above and allow more time before driving, but because it discriminates unfairly against drivers who, by nature of their vocational licence, could be reasonably expected to be more capable drivers in the first place.
The irony of course is that it will probably make very little difference to the road death statistics; Iām willing to put a fair few quid down that the majority of drivers caught over the limit donāt even have a valid driving licence never mind a vocational one! As always the law-abiding majority are made to suffer a further restriction of their already limited pleasures to appease the road safety campaigners whose only wish is to see nothing at all on the roads apart from tumbleweed.
Apologies for me not reading the post properly, but Iāve had a few
Regards,
Mark.
Tidied it up for you 
I know that the vocational limit is unique to NI, but they were considering moves to lower the general limit in the UK a while back. And in all such talk and media coverage, I heard no scientific or psychological reasoning as to WHY it would improve road safety. It would only serve to punish people whoād only comsumed a small amount of alcohol while still being under the present limit - and so pose minimal danger, yet will have no increase in number of punishments dealt out to drivers who have a dangerously high amount of alcohol in the blood.
So my question would be, why bother changing it? Is there a large number of accidents caused by people who are driving under the influence but below the current drink driving limit? I highly doubt it, or it would have been adjusted years ago. If it aint broke, donāt fix it. The new limit make sod all difference to road safety. The scumbags I know who drink (significant amounts) and then drive all share a common attitude of āIāll be fine, I know what Iām doingā, or āI wonāt get caughtā. A lower limit will almost certainly have no dissuading effect on people like that. I wouldnāt be surprised if it was more to do with governments wishing to align standards with Europe under the guise of safety.
If thereās an unacceptably high limit of drink driving then the answer is more enforcement, not lowering the threshold/moving the goal posts. I rarely see police check points in this country, I recently spent a few months in Spain and I was pulled on 4 occasions while driving late at night on a weekend.
And for all the above reasons, I canāt work out why a vocational lower limit would make any difference. Even the lower limit for young drivers makes little sense, the official reason given is that they are a known to be a high risk category in terms of accidents (not specifically drink related) - perhaps the driving curriculum should be improved so that theyāre no longer so much of a risk?
RANT OVER! 
I couldnt careless what the limit is because I value my licence and the income it produces for me so I dont drink anything if I am driving.
Bloke at work has lost his licence for three years for second offence so he has basically thrown away over Ā£100,000 in wages.
Suffolk ReeferBoy:
I couldnt careless what the limit is because I value my licence and the income it produces for me so I dont drink anything if I am driving.
Bloke at work has lost his licence for three years for second offence so he has basically thrown away over Ā£100,000 in wages.
I donāt drink before driving either, but Iād prefer it if steps which were actually effective were taken to stop drink driving, so thereās less chance of some drunken barstad wiping me out!
Wheel Nut:
tallyman:
By the way, this is Northern Ireland that the article is referring to, but no reason why it shouldnāt appear over here, though I think we may hear a bit more about it first.The smoking ban was started in Ireland as an experiment
Youāre only right. I recently read that the EU wants āharmonisationā of the legal limits, and some EU countries have zero tolerance. Weāll be getting the same as everyone else. We do get to vote on it though, donāt we? No?!!
Better off just smoking weed, there is no limit for it.
tachograph:
brookie:
gnasty gnome:
Predictable responses from the Mormons, Quakers and Temperance movement.No-oneās yet answered my initial question though. Iām fully aware that being a vocational licence holder means that you already get treated more severely; I paid the Commissioner a visit back in 1992 and I certainly wasnāt offered tea and biscuits! I donāt have a problem with that; but I would like clarification as to whether being a vocational licence holder makes me subject to the lower threshold if Iām driving a car or riding my motorcycle.
If this is indeed the case, it should be strongly resisted; not because it effectively allows more leeway for me to have another half, Iāll simply do as stated in a post above and allow more time before driving, but because it discriminates unfairly against drivers who, by nature of their vocational licence, could be reasonably expected to be more capable drivers in the first place.
The irony of course is that it will probably make very little difference to the road death statistics; Iām willing to put a fair few quid down that the majority of drivers caught over the limit donāt even have a valid driving licence never mind a vocational one! As always the law-abiding majority are made to suffer a further restriction of their already limited pleasures to appease the road safety campaigners whose only wish is to see nothing at all on the roads apart from tumbleweed.
Apologies for me not reading the post properly, but Iāve had a few
Regards,
Mark.
Tidied it up for you
Thanks! 
Truck & Bus drivers in OZ have to be 0.00% alcohol, but only when driving the truck, when youāre in the car you revert back to 0.05& BAC