Another thing you learnt was how to corner without rolling it over, with leaf springs you held on for dear life.
jakethesnake:
DickyNick:
Nah sod that thanks robroy.The only thing I’d say (I’m from the younger snowflake generation by the way) is that this thing about “you young ones wouldn’t be able to change gear on an old box”, I’m not saying you specifically put it like that rob, but obviously you mention the gear thing. Just in defence for us snowflakes
I don’t think it’s a case that we would not able to. It’s a case of there’s no need to anymore so therefore we have never been shown how to and have never practised it. I’m sure if that’s how the gear boxes still operated then all us young ones would be able to do it once taught, just as well as you old boys
The way some talk is that you got your licence 30 years ago you’ve got the ability to change gear on a crash box and if you got you licence 3 years ago you’ve not got it in your genes to do it. No. It’s simply one generation needed to and was taught, the other generation doesn’t need to so hast been taught. Both generation physically can do it.
Not quite right DickyNick, let me put you straight. First of all most of us were not taught how to use a crash box, we taught ourselves, or some of us did!
Believe you me there were a few that never learned correctly!
Another thing you lot would never manage is to manoevre a loaded truck on to a bay with no power steering. I mean some of you cannot do it with it.
You youngsters don’t know how good you have it as the OP states.
Ok but I think plenty of us would get it with practise just like you boys did. The same amount would be successful the same amount would fail.
I remember my first nightheater , was a gas job you lit with a match and was fastened to the side of the footwell on an F10 (early one with the splitter on the dash) , cant see it would be allowed nowadays but worked ok and was spot on for doing toast with a fork
DickyNick:
jakethesnake:
DickyNick:
Nah sod that thanks robroy.The only thing I’d say (I’m from the younger snowflake generation by the way) is that this thing about “you young ones wouldn’t be able to change gear on an old box”, I’m not saying you specifically put it like that rob, but obviously you mention the gear thing. Just in defence for us snowflakes
The way some talk is that you got your licence 30 years ago you’ve got the ability to change gear on a crash box and if you got you licence 3 years ago you’ve not got it in your genes to do it. No. It’s simply one generation needed to and was taught, the other generation doesn’t need to so hast been taught. Both generation physically can do it.
Not quite right DickyNick, let me put you straight. First of all most of us were not taught how to use a crash box, we taught ourselves, or some of us did!
Believe you me there were a few that never learned correctly!
Another thing you lot would never manage is to manoevre a loaded truck on to a bay with no power steering. I mean some of you cannot do it with it.
You youngsters don’t know how good you have it as the OP states.Ok but I think plenty of us would get it with practise just like you boys did. The same amount would be successful the same amount would fail.
I agree with that, there are a lot of younger lads who are bloody good drivers, just because they have never used a crash or constant mesh box does not change that fact and is irrelavent.
Downside is… in those days the ones who could not hack or manage the stuff that Jake mentions, and more, would be filtered out of the job as they were basically ■■■■ feckless.
Where as today with lack of actual skill needed to handle a truck, and do aspects of the job no longer needed like actual ‘‘driving’’ in the true sense, rope/sheets, finding routes etc, there are no filters, so the feckless, crap and useless slip through the Class1 net, as the rest of us witness most days. 
Olog Hai:
SuperMultiBlue:
[zb] me what a hero.Would have got used to all you said in 5 mins and cracked on.
No you wouldn’t, because you’ve proven before that you won’t be a lorry driver for as long as you’ve got a hole in your arse.
A bit harsh Mr Hai. 
robroy:
DickyNick:
jakethesnake:
DickyNick:
Nah sod that thanks robroy.The only thing I’d say (I’m from the younger snowflake generation by the way) is that this thing about “you young ones wouldn’t be able to change gear on an old box”, I’m not saying you specifically put it like that rob, but obviously you mention the gear thing. Just in defence for us snowflakes
The way some talk is that you got your licence 30 years ago you’ve got the ability to change gear on a crash box and if you got you licence 3 years ago you’ve not got it in your genes to do it. No. It’s simply one generation needed to and was taught, the other generation doesn’t need to so hast been taught. Both generation physically can do it.
Not quite right DickyNick, let me put you straight. First of all most of us were not taught how to use a crash box, we taught ourselves, or some of us did!
Believe you me there were a few that never learned correctly!
Another thing you lot would never manage is to manoevre a loaded truck on to a bay with no power steering. I mean some of you cannot do it with it.
You youngsters don’t know how good you have it as the OP states.Ok but I think plenty of us would get it with practise just like you boys did. The same amount would be successful the same amount would fail.
I agree with that, there are a lot of younger lads who are bloody good drivers, just because they have never used a crash or constant mesh box does not change that fact and is irrelavent.
Downside is… in those days the ones who could not hack or manage the stuff that Jake mentions, and more, would be filtered out of the job as they were basically [zb] feckless.
Where as today with lack of actual skill needed to handle a truck, and do aspects of the job no longer needed like actual ‘‘driving’’ in the true sense, rope/sheets, finding routes etc, there are no filters, so the feckless, crap and useless slip through the Class1 net, as the rest of us witness most days.
Yeah I can see that rob and Jake. That’s fair enough. If you crap back then you had nothing to hide behind. If your crap now you can hide behind full autos, power steering, cruise control, auto brakes etc etc
Don’t think seb loeb ever driven a crash box…but he done alright.
DickyNick:
jakethesnake:
DickyNick:
Nah sod that thanks robroy.The only thing I’d say (I’m from the younger snowflake generation by the way) is that this thing about “you young ones wouldn’t be able to change gear on an old box”, I’m not saying you specifically put it like that rob, but obviously you mention the gear thing. Just in defence for us snowflakes
The way some talk is that you got your licence 30 years ago you’ve got the ability to change gear on a crash box and if you got you licence 3 years ago you’ve not got it in your genes to do it. No. It’s simply one generation needed to and was taught, the other generation doesn’t need to so hast been taught. Both generation physically can do it.
Not quite right DickyNick, let me put you straight. First of all most of us were not taught how to use a crash box, we taught ourselves, or some of us did!
Believe you me there were a few that never learned correctly!
Another thing you lot would never manage is to manoevre a loaded truck on to a bay with no power steering. I mean some of you cannot do it with it.
You youngsters don’t know how good you have it as the OP states.Ok but I think plenty of us would get it with practise just like you boys did. The same amount would be successful the same amount would fail.
Probably, even more might master them because there is far more training for everything these days!
I agree with that, there are a lot of younger lads who are bloody good drivers, just because they have never used a crash or constant mesh box does not change that fact and is irrelavent.
Downside is… in those days the ones who could not hack or manage the stuff that Jake mentions, and more, would be filtered out of the job as they were basically [zb] feckless.
Where as today with lack of actual skill needed to handle a truck, and do aspects of the job no longer needed like actual ‘‘driving’’ in the true sense, rope/sheets, finding routes etc, there are no filters, so the feckless, crap and useless slip through the Class1 net, as the rest of us witness most days.
Oh how very true robroy.
DickyNick:
robroy:
…, there are a lot of younger lads who are bloody good drivers, just because they have never used a crash or constant mesh box does not change that fact and is irrelavent.
Downside is… in those days the ones who could not hack or manage the stuff that Jake mentions, and more, would be filtered out of the job as they were basically [zb] feckless.
Where as today with lack of actual skill needed to handle a truck, and do aspects of the job no longer needed like actual ‘‘driving’’ in the true sense, rope/sheets, finding routes etc, there are no filters, so the feckless, crap and useless slip through the Class1 net, as the rest of us witness most days.Yeah I can see that rob and Jake. That’s fair enough. If you crap back then you had nothing to hide behind. If your crap now you can hide behind full autos, power steering, cruise control, auto brakes etc etc
Agreed it’s too easy to lump a whole generation together and slag them off to make a point, I remember when I first started work the old boys would say similar things about my generation.
Although by the time I started driving most trucks had synchromesh gearboxes, and there were some things that were better, like we were all younger and keener and probably ached less, weighed less and had more hair on our head and less in our nostrils, 
it was easier to get jobs that took you abroad, even to far flung places only the specialist hauliers will get loads to these days, more places to park, a few more café’s and even some truckstops, although there were timed deliveries, the big logistics operations hadn’t got the ability to totally micro manage the job. But as for the trucks personally I’d rather drive and sleep in the truck of today than anything I drove in those early days, its too easy to look at the past through rose tinted specs.
The learning curve has gone into loop the loop mode, they’ve given me a Renault with and electric parking brake, should be fun when I’m fully freighted Monday morning going up Mottram hill in rush hour traffic
Punchy Dan:
the maoster:
Punchy Dan:
My 18 yr old lorry is modern ,it’s synchromesh,has a near side electric window and is on air suspension,and air handbrake what more could I ask forI’ve heard that handbrake Dan, thought you had Chewbacca the Wookie in there with you the other day. You should record it and put it on here for a laugh!
Epic
The-Snowman:
robroy:
Was that you when you were told you might be having a night out.Nah, this is more like it -
0
At least looking at that clip you’ve listened to me at last, and finally started bringing that nice stripey sleeping bag with you for the ‘unplanneds’ .
That’s drivin
■■■■ crash box
Quick shifter wins
robroy:
The-Snowman:
robroy:
Was that you when you were told you might be having a night out.Nah, this is more like it -
0At least looking at that clip you’ve listened to me at last, and finally started bringing that nice stripey sleeping bag with you for the ‘unplanneds’ .
I guess I had it easy, my first truck was a Bedford TK then I spend 9 years away all week tramping in a Volvo FL10 . no crash box but a ■■■■■ temperamental night heater. woke up a few times with my arse frozen to the back window.
jakethesnake:
I agree with that, there are a lot of younger lads who are bloody good drivers, just because they have never used a crash or constant mesh box does not change that fact and is irrelavent.
Downside is… in those days the ones who could not hack or manage the stuff that Jake mentions, and more, would be filtered out of the job as they were basically [zb] feckless.
Where as today with lack of actual skill needed to handle a truck, and do aspects of the job no longer needed like actual ‘‘driving’’ in the true sense, rope/sheets, finding routes etc, there are no filters, so the feckless, crap and useless slip through the Class1 net, as the rest of us witness most days.Oh how very true robroy.
You can always look at it from the other side. I started as a driver on the old stuff, then progressed to planning, TM and then the recruitment side of things before returning to the wheel; and one thing that stuck out in the office side, particularly when I was interviewing candidates, was how little some of the old sweats actually knew about tachograph law, speed limits and the more “cerebral” side of the job. They could handle a lorry all right, rope and sheet a load and do all the practical stuff with their eyes shut, but the finer points of the law that you absolutely have to know these days just went over their heads; partly because they thought they knew it all and no office bod could teach them anything.
The biggest problem these days in the transport industry is that all of the training, planning, procurement and management is done by people who have absolutely no practical experience of it, and who therefore cannot possibly see anything from a driver’s point of view. The reverse of the above situation now holds true, inasmuch as experienced and skilled drivers like Juddian are being frustrated to death by mindless management whose learning comes solely from computers and universities and will not accept what wiser and older heads tell them.
There is a very good reason why the best officers in the Army are those who have come up through the ranks.
SuperMultiBlue:
[zb] me what a hero.Would have got used to all you said in 5 mins and cracked on.
Imagine perpetually being in desperation to be acknowledged as a hero
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
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peirre:
The learning curve has gone into loop the loop mode, they’ve given me a Renault with and electric parking brake, should be fun when I’m fully freighted Monday morning going up Mottram hill in rush hour traffic
Electric parking brake?
Why worry? I`m sure the H & S Officer/ Driver Trainer/ General manager/ Compliance Team Leader will all be sat beside you for the first few hours to make sure that your type conversion training goes off smoothly…