The plod didn’t want to know about a resident parking his van opposite a site entrance I was loading muck out of the other week. They said if the delivery or collection couldn’t get in it was down to the site to sort it on the road, even if I blocked the road during loading. Nice to know that rather than him move and everybody gets on with their day, his awkwardness would upset a lot of people trying to pass me.
On the other hand, the MIL got a ticket for parking opposite a timber yard a few years ago, even though there were no double yellows. The yard had complained in the same way the builders did in my case so who’s right?
Muckaway:
The plod didn’t want to know about a resident parking his van opposite a site entrance I was loading muck out of the other week. They said if the delivery or collection couldn’t get in it was down to the site to sort it on the road, even if I blocked the road during loading. Nice to know that rather than him move and everybody gets on with their day, his awkwardness would upset a lot of people trying to pass me.
On the other hand, the MIL got a ticket for parking opposite a timber yard a few years ago, even though there were no double yellows. The yard had complained in the same way the builders did in my case so who’s right?
Certainly the way you were dealt with recently was a bit of a cop out really. Basically, it’s a sh*t job for the popo which is why no one would come out, but I used to work by the ethos that you shouldn’t pick and choose what issues/reports that occur. Batting things off generally causes more issues down the line.
This would have been an ideal PCSO matter. And any parking issues could have been tackled by the council warden.
that said, f I was in your situation and the plod were refusing to assist - well, you could request they attend to prevent a breach of the peace. Police presence is required in these circumstances, although it would only be an urgent ‘within the hour’ response.
el_presidente:
Road Traffic Act defines the highway as extending from verge to verge, including any footpaths/cycle paths.
Oh, no it doesn’t!
Sent using smoke and mirrors
Roymondo:
el_presidente:
Road Traffic Act defines the highway as extending from verge to verge, including any footpaths/cycle paths.Oh, no it doesn’t!
Sent using smoke and mirrors
Pedant!
Check out Sect 34 (1) (b)
And
Stated case Worth v Brooks (1959) verge held to be part of the carriageway.
Suggest you also look just a paragraph or two later at S34(3) of the 1988 Act, which specifically permits driving on such land for the purposes of parking thereon…
No that this is relevant - you have made a statement that the RTA defines the highway as extending from verge to verge. To put it simply, it does no such thing - and that’s not simply being pedantic.
Rat67:
Parked in local Iceland car park before Xmas, around 5pm. Went back next day roughly same time. Since then I’ve had a letter demanding £100 FPN for parking 24 hours, looks like the silly [zb] have seen me go in one day and come out the following day. Yesterday got a letter from some scumbag debt collector telling me I have to pay £160 or it goes to court, they have cited a supreme court ruling against a driver. Trouble is, there’s no way I can prove I didn’t overstay
Did you pay for your shopping using a debit or credit card? If so, then the fact that there will be two transactions on your bank statement, in the same shop, on consecutive days will be more than enough to scare the debt collectors off. Even telling them that you had such evidence would almost certainly be enough even if it wasn’t strictly speaking true
Roymondo:
Suggest you also look just a paragraph or two later at S34(3) of the 1988 Act, which specifically permits driving on such land for the purposes of parking thereon…No that this is relevant - you have made a statement that the RTA defines the highway as extending from verge to verge. To put it simply, it does no such thing - and that’s not simply being pedantic.
Ok - the RTA in itself doesn’t define ‘road’ as I originally stated. You’re right. But stated cases in law have interpreted a road as I stated, as that including footpaths and verges. Therefore, the RTA 1988 can be applied to include footpaths and verges, where public access can be determined.
We’re not discussing crossing pavements though, simply where the RTA can be applied.
el_presidente:
Roymondo:
Suggest you also look just a paragraph or two later at S34(3) of the 1988 Act, which specifically permits driving on such land for the purposes of parking thereon…No that this is relevant - you have made a statement that the RTA defines the highway as extending from verge to verge. To put it simply, it does no such thing - and that’s not simply being pedantic.
Ok - the RTA in itself doesn’t define ‘road’ as I originally stated. You’re right. But stated cases in law have interpreted a road as I stated, as that including footpaths and verges. Therefore, the RTA 1988 can be applied to include footpaths and verges, where public access can be determined.
We’re not discussing crossing pavements though, simply where the RTA can be applied.
It was you who brought S34(1) into the discussion!
And you didn’t say the Act defined “road”, you said it defined “highway”…
Roymondo:
el_presidente:
Roymondo:
Suggest you also look just a paragraph or two later at S34(3) of the 1988 Act, which specifically permits driving on such land for the purposes of parking thereon…No that this is relevant - you have made a statement that the RTA defines the highway as extending from verge to verge. To put it simply, it does no such thing - and that’s not simply being pedantic.
Ok - the RTA in itself doesn’t define ‘road’ as I originally stated. You’re right. But stated cases in law have interpreted a road as I stated, as that including footpaths and verges. Therefore, the RTA 1988 can be applied to include footpaths and verges, where public access can be determined.
We’re not discussing crossing pavements though, simply where the RTA can be applied.
It was you who brought S34(1) into the discussion!
And you didn’t say the Act defined “road”, you said it defined “highway”…
Section 34 (1) was brought up to point to the fact that footpaths are also considered part of a road. And yes in my late night haste I may well have used slightly incorrect terminology.
But if we’re going over terminology on a forum in which advice is offered, that is splitting hairs at best.
The original intent of my post remains true, that being the RTA 1988 can be applied to include footpaths and verges.
keepthefaith:
Just been given a parking ticket for bumping up on the kerb ok lesson learned next time park fully on the road whats got my blood boiling is so have seven cars in front of me and not one has a ticket question is are they exempt and if not why have i been targeted
You are heavier as 3.5 Ton,as we have it. Just read here seems 7.5 Ton.
The Reason is the Water and other Cables under the Pavement.