Tucker9037:
I couldn’t blag it mate I’m too honest
That was my attitude too when I started out.Realistically with hindsight I think it didn’t help my career prospects at all.Which just leaves the question of maybe finding a balance between not actually lying your way into a job.But by the same standard don’t be a mug by allowing employers and ‘experienced’ drivers to use the lack of experience to unfairly hold back your progress in the job or to accept jobs below a reasonable level for the licence.
I was totally honest when I started out, I’m not sure if I started at the bottom, but it definitely wasn’t a top job with top kit or top money and loads of multi drop and handball just for good measure. Considering what I do now I don’t think being honest was a disadvantage to moving on to better things.
Evil8Beezle:
you need to realise I’m not talking about a 5 or 10 year apprenticeship bellend, just that you can’t walk straight into the best jobs as you won’t get a second glance when others have a few years experience on you!
If that was right it would be impossible for younger drivers starting out later to ever get into better jobs than someone older who started out in the job earlier.
As I said it’s easy to get stereotyped as a mug who’ll accept the zb and that’s then where you’re likely to stay to some level.
Are your years starting to get the better of you mate? This thread is about 2 years experience, it’s in the title!
So all I’m saying is that some newly qualified drivers need SOME experience. You’re the one who deludedly thinks I’m talking beyond that…
Plus it wouldn’t ring true with what I’ve done, I’ve got a pretty good gig now, but I couldn’t have walked into that without SOME experience as they would have told me to get on my bike…
So go on, hit me with another misguided and presumptuous dig mate?
I was only referring to my own experience when starting out.Nothing to do with your example.
In which case as I said Robroy is closer to the right advice than you are.In which case two years ‘experience’ of doing the zb that no one else wants will mean just that nothing more when the time comes to move on.
And all my my initial postings were about initially setting your sights low/realistic, and you come in with:
Carryfast:
Trust me don’t be naive enough to believe this bollox.
Which we now know was misguided internal anger about yourself, and nothing to do with what I was actually saying…
But while we are now discussing the finer points of this, I would say that any experience for zero experience Newbie is good for a few months, and once they have that under their belt they should start to look for better things. Yes they should set their sights a little higher now and be prepared to be knocked back, but still be realistic that some jobs may be out of reach for one reason or another.
Some people may be better blaggers than others, and some don’t have the smarts to do it anyway. So those that choose to blag it and can get away with it, good luck to them. But there is nothing wrong with being honest, as that way you don’t have to remember a pack of lies, which I find a lot easier… As for blagging experience, the OP may be a special case as he revealed later in the thread that he has previous experience, but for the average Newbie you can’t blag about it, as you’ll come unstuck the second the employer looks at your licences and see’s that you have different start dates for Class 2 and Class 1, which is going to tell them you’re a fresh/recent pass.
Evil8Beezle:
And all my my initial postings were about initially setting your sights low/realistic, and you come in with:
Carryfast:
Trust me don’t be naive enough to believe this bollox.
Which we now know was misguided internal anger about yourself, and nothing to do with what I was actually saying…
But while we are now discussing the finer points of this, I would say that any experience for zero experience Newbie is good for a few months, and once they have that under their belt they should start to look for better things. Yes they should set their sights a little higher now and be prepared to be knocked back, but still be realistic that some jobs may be out of reach for one reason or another.
Some people may be better blaggers than others, and some don’t have the smarts to do it anyway. So those that choose to blag it and can get away with it, good luck to them. But there is nothing wrong with being honest, as that way you don’t have to remember a pack of lies, which I find a lot easier… As for blagging experience, the OP may be a special case as he revealed later in the thread that he has previous experience, but for the average Newbie you can’t blag about it, as you’ll come unstuck the second the employer looks at your licences and see’s that you have different start dates for Class 2 and Class 1, which is going to tell them you’re a fresh/recent pass.
You seem to have missed the point that I was referring to the type of example posted by Conor not that of Robroy’s.On that note why would anyone want to do 2 years on zb 7.5 and 18 t etc distribution type work for example,which they’ll possibly then be stereotyped and lumbered with,when Conor has shown what’s actually available to new drivers who aren’t naive enough to listen to your advice.
Carryfast:
You seem to have missed the point that I was referring to the type of example posted by Conor not that of Robroy’s.On that note why would anyone want to do 2 years on zb 7.5 and 18 t etc distribution type work for example,which they’ll possibly then be stereotyped and lumbered with,when Conor has shown what’s actually available to new drivers who aren’t naive enough to listen to your advice.
If YOU’RE referring to Conor’s post, why the bloody hell are YOU responding to ME■■?
Nice try at twisting the argument to not look a chump pal, but try again…
Carryfast:
You seem to have missed the point that I was referring to the type of example posted by Conor not that of Robroy’s.On that note why would anyone want to do 2 years on zb 7.5 and 18 t etc distribution type work for example,which they’ll possibly then be stereotyped and lumbered with,when Conor has shown what’s actually available to new drivers who aren’t naive enough to listen to your advice.
If YOU’RE referring to Conor’s post, why the bloody hell are YOU responding to ME■■?
Nice try at twisting the argument to not look a chump pal, but try again…
If I’ve read it right you said that without 2 years experience the OP would have to ‘start at the bottom’.Then moaned when I said that’s naive bollox.On that note I’m obviously guessing that your definition of ‘start at the bottom’ didn’t mean what Conor was describing.
Carryfast:
You seem to have missed the point that I was referring to the type of example posted by Conor not that of Robroy’s.On that note why would anyone want to do 2 years on zb 7.5 and 18 t etc distribution type work for example,which they’ll possibly then be stereotyped and lumbered with,when Conor has shown what’s actually available to new drivers who aren’t naive enough to listen to your advice.
If YOU’RE referring to Conor’s post, why the bloody hell are YOU responding to ME■■?
Nice try at twisting the argument to not look a chump pal, but try again…
If I’ve read it right you said that without 2 years experience the OP would have to ‘start at the bottom’.Then moaned when I said that’s naive bollox.On that note I’m obviously guessing that your definition of ‘start at the bottom’ didn’t mean what Conor was describing.
No, if you look back, I said that a newly qualified driver would have to take the crappy jobs. I said nothing about taking lower class work…
And you seem to do a lot of guessing!
Tucker9037:
I couldn’t blag it mate I’m too honest
That was my attitude too when I started out.Realistically with hindsight I think it didn’t help my career prospects at all.Which just leaves the question of maybe finding a balance between not actually lying your way into a job.But by the same standard don’t be a mug by allowing employers and ‘experienced’ drivers to use the lack of experience to unfairly hold back your progress in the job or to accept jobs below a reasonable level for the licence.
And sadly for you it stopped you doing what you really wanted to, Euro work. I lied to get my first euro job, then exaggerated the truth a bit to get my second euro job. But to do this you have to be very confident you can do the job and not f*** it up!
Carryfast:
You seem to have missed the point that I was referring to the type of example posted by Conor not that of Robroy’s.On that note why would anyone want to do 2 years on zb 7.5 and 18 t etc distribution type work for example,which they’ll possibly then be stereotyped and lumbered with,when Conor has shown what’s actually available to new drivers who aren’t naive enough to listen to your advice.
If YOU’RE referring to Conor’s post, why the bloody hell are YOU responding to ME■■?
Nice try at twisting the argument to not look a chump pal, but try again…
If I’ve read it right you said that without 2 years experience the OP would have to ‘start at the bottom’.Then moaned when I said that’s naive bollox.On that note I’m obviously guessing that your definition of ‘start at the bottom’ didn’t mean what Conor was describing.
From the way I read Conor’s post, he said his Son was offered Agency work on an Artic despite only just having passed his test, but he has taken a fulltime job that he applied for when he got his licence for rigids, so not sure if that will be rigid work or artic work and no description of what type of work it is, just the fact it’s driving work.
Well the firm that have offered my lad a job are starting my lad out on 7.5t moving him up to 18t in a few weeks doing pallet network C&D and planning on having him in an artic in 6 months doing distance work on their haulage contracts if he wants it assuming that the side of the company that does the class 1 work doesn’t poach him sooner. He’s going to spend the first few days of next week going out with another driver to show him the ropes. He’s starting on £8/hr so not minimum wage and will get wage rises as he moves up.
He’s as happy as Larry and understands that with a freshly printed license and zero experience he is going to be starting at the bottom. In fact he was fairly pleased he was because he said he would rather get some experience in something smaller than a 44 tonner first.
This whole “if you accept 7.5 tonner work and 18 tonner work thats all you’ll ever get” is a load of utter crap. I started out on that, did 7.5t/Class 2 for about 18 months and I found it ■■■■ easy to get Class 1 work as soon as I passed my test because I already had proof I was competent. In most jobs with any kind of progression and with every traditional apprenticeship ever you start at the bottom and work your way up, its the norm. You don’t end up stuck there just because when you first started and didn’t know anything you were prepared to do jobs where you weren’t required to know very much.
Carryfast:
I’m obviously guessing that your definition of ‘start at the bottom’ didn’t mean what Conor was describing.
No, if you look back, I said that a newly qualified driver would have to take the crappy jobs. I said nothing about taking lower class work…
And you seem to do a lot of guessing!
Assuming that the agency weren’t bsing what makes you think that the ‘class 1’ work being offered in Conor’s example was any different/ ‘crappier’ than that being offered to the ‘experienced’ drivers on its books ?.While it’s clear that I was describing the situation of telling the agency to zb off if they then backtracked on the deal by offering 7.5t or class 2 local multi drop or building deliveries for example when he turned up.
Carryfast:
I’m obviously guessing that your definition of ‘start at the bottom’ didn’t mean what Conor was describing.
No, if you look back, I said that a newly qualified driver would have to take the crappy jobs. I said nothing about taking lower class work…
And you seem to do a lot of guessing!
Assuming that the agency weren’t bsing what makes you think that the ‘class 1’ work being offered in Conor’s example was any different/ ‘crappier’ than that being offered to the ‘experienced’ drivers on its books ?.While it’s clear that I was describing the situation of telling the agency to zb off if they then backtracked on the deal by offering 7.5t or class 2 local multi drop or building deliveries for example when he turned up.
AT NO POINT WAS I EVER TALKING ABOUT CONOR’s EXAMPLE!
You’re trying to drag me into something I’ve nothing to do with, and haven’t commented on…
switchlogic:
And sadly for you it stopped you doing what you really wanted to, Euro work. I lied to get my first euro job, then exaggerated the truth a bit to get my second euro job. But to do this you have to be very confident you can do the job and not f*** it up!
And that supports the idea of ‘start at the bottom’ to progress to better work how.
As for not being confident of being able to do the job like most drivers I obviously wouldn’t have bothered from day 1.
Carryfast:
I’m obviously guessing that your definition of ‘start at the bottom’ didn’t mean what Conor was describing.
No, if you look back, I said that a newly qualified driver would have to take the crappy jobs. I said nothing about taking lower class work…
And you seem to do a lot of guessing!
Assuming that the agency weren’t bsing what makes you think that the ‘class 1’ work being offered in Conor’s example was any different/ ‘crappier’ than that being offered to the ‘experienced’ drivers on its books ?.While it’s clear that I was describing the situation of telling the agency to zb off if they then backtracked on the deal by offering 7.5t or class 2 local multi drop or building deliveries for example when he turned up.
AT NO POINT WAS I EVER TALKING ABOUT CONOR’s EXAMPLE!
You’re trying to drag me into something I’ve nothing to do with, and haven’t commented on…
I never said you was talking about Conor’s example.You said new drivers have to ‘start at the bottom’ meaning something different ( obviously inferior zb work ) compared to ‘experienced’ drivers .My point was that there’s nothing to base that erroneous position on other than naive bs that is likely to get a new driver stereotyped as doing and being happy to take on the zb.IE there’s no reason in the real world why a new inexperienced driver should accept lesser quality work than ‘experienced’ drivers.
Tucker9037:
im now fully qualified to start driving as a class 1 driver, thing is I’ve been to a few yards near me and they all state that I must have 2 years experience. How does anyone get any experience if companies won’t take on any newly qualified drivers?
Ring Colin Maguire@ Sawyers in Lurgan and you’ll get a start no bother as long as you can do the “trips” across the water.
Tell him Big Andy sent you.[emoji6]
MorganMcLernon work outta same yard and will start you too!!!
McCulla in Lisburn will start you TOMORROW!!!
Ask for Brian Beattie.
Derry Transport in Portadown looking drivers too,
Don’t matter FA ref this 2yrs dung!!!
Did you try R.Barkley&Son in Ballymoney??
Money not great though!!!
Join:
“Trucking Jobs Ireland” on Facebook PLENTY of local NI firms on there looking drivers.
Carryfast:
I never said you was talking about Conor’s example.You said new drivers have to ‘start at the bottom’ meaning something different ( obviously inferior zb work ) compared to ‘experienced’ drivers .My point was that there’s nothing to base that erroneous position on other than naive bs that is likely to get a new driver stereotyped as doing and being happy to take on the zb.IE there’s no reason in the real world why a new inexperienced driver should accept lesser quality work than ‘experienced’ drivers.
I’ve been doing this class 1 malarkey for just over 18 months. Some days I’ll have lads trying to guide me onto a bay that I’m already on, and the next it’ll take 5 shunts to do something in a straight line that I could have done in one with a tail wind and low barometric pressure.
Basically, I’d say I’m not all that much better than I was 12 months ago, I’m certainly not 3 times better.
But it’s all good fun, and I never plan on doing anything else ever again.
