Dieseldave

I imagine the answer would be in the quantity of fireworks involved.

I’m sure you wouldn’t need ADR to carry a small firework, but 20+ tonnes of small fireworks …

I used to deliver a few pallets annually from Yorkshire on a 7.5t when working for Panic. Only ever had the delivery notes and cert of what I was carrying. I don’t have ADR.

bigvern1:
I used to deliver a few pallets annually from Yorkshire on a 7.5t when working for Panic. Only ever had the delivery notes and cert of what I was carrying. I don’t have ADR.

I am doing it in a LWB van all over the UK, which i am so looking forward to!, but it is for an agency though, and it is good rates.

thelorryist:
MICKY:

“Cat C Holder since 31/10/11 - Not a lorry driver!!!”

Apparently this need amending now… Congrats on getting some work. Hope you enjoy it.

I will change it :wink:

If I recall correctly, you are allowed to carry so much weight with fireworks before ADR. So in a van you’ll be OK I think. Well done.

acceptme:
Tell ya what this website has gone so far down hill… The guy has asked a question and just gets shot down and roasted. I think it was an interesting one as dotn do adr either so would be interesting to know the answer…i so mich for truckers help and greatful i dont contribute much here any more

TBH he did amend it as the question wasnt in at 1st

Maybe I should have quoted before he edit it :bulb:

xxmitaxx:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/pdf/c1-loadthresh.pdf

Hi xxmitaxx,

This is a great example of why folk shouldn’t attempt to forage for ADR info.

The link you provided is approx 8 years out of date. :open_mouth:

mickyblue:
Do you need to have ADR to deliver these? FIREWORKS <------------ Something i forgot to add in the question

Hi mickeyblue,

If the fireworks have “1.4S” on the label, then you can carry ANY amount of them without an ADR licence.
To be perfectly legal, you should have some documented ADR ‘awareness’ training, unless you’re speaking of the private carriage of fireworks for your own firework display at home.

I’d suggest that your best plan is to find out what labels are on the packages before you agree to carry them, because there are other possible labels that you could see on boxes of fireworks, such as 1.1G, 1.2G, 1.3G and 1.4G.
The fireworks that have a “G” on the label do have various limits as to what you can carry without an ADR licence.

I could give you a much better answer if you could tell me what’s on the labels and the “NEM” (in Kgs) which must also be written on the boxes please.

bigvern1:
If I recall correctly, you are allowed to carry so much weight with fireworks before ADR. So in a van you’ll be OK I think. Well done.

Hi bigvern1,

You do recall correctly. :smiley:

Fireworks do indeed have ‘freeby’ limits before ADR applies in full.

For explosives (including fireworks) the freeby is based on the actual weight of the explosive substance, so this doesn’t include the weight of the boxes and wrappings.
Also, for fireworks, the weight of the tubes, wood and plastic spikes is also disregarded.

Fireworks can be in divisions 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4.

The fireworks in 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 all have compatibility letter “G” and will defo have limits.

1.1G.jpg

1.2G.jpg

1.3G.jpg

Fireworks in division 1.4 have a limit if the accompanying compatibility letter is a “G” but if the fireworks have a 1.4S label, these can be carried without limit, as can anything else that has a 1.4S label on the box.

1.4G.jpg

1.4S.jpg

tachograph:
I imagine the answer would be in the quantity of fireworks involved.

I’m sure you wouldn’t need ADR to carry a small firework, but 20+ tonnes of small fireworks …

Hi tachograph,

20+ tonnes of anything with this label needs no ADR licence, nor vehicle markings by road:

1.4S.jpg

mickyblue:
Cheers for that

Category 3 Display Fireworks is what i will be transporting

What’s category 3? Is that 1.3?

Not got a clue. It’s information i gained from looking at the company’s website

mucker85:
What’s category 3?

Wikipedia:

â–º Category 1 (“indoor”) fireworks are for use in extremely restricted areas.

â–º Category 2 (“garden”) fireworks must be safely viewable from 5 metres away, and must scatter no debris beyond a 3 metre range.

â–º Category 3 (“display”) fireworks must be safely viewable from 25 metres away, and must scatter no debris beyond a 20 metre range.

Thank you.

mucker85:

mickyblue:
Cheers for that

Category 3 Display Fireworks is what i will be transporting

What’s category 3? Is that 1.3?

Hi mucker85,

No mate, category 3 is nothing to do with division 1.3

I think category 3 fireworks are a description applied to fireworks so that folk know the correct safety info as per tachograph’s Wiki reference. In that context, “category 3” is nothing to do with Regs governing transport by road vehicles (ADR.)

All explosives (includes fireworks) are in UN Class 1.
Division 1.3 explosives have the following definition in ADR:

Division 1.3
Substances and articles which have a fire hazard and either a minor blast hazard or a minor projection hazard or both, but not a mass explosion hazard:
(a) combustion of which gives rise to considerable radiant heat; or
(b) which burn one after another, producing minor blast or projection effects or both.

I believe delivering isnt the problem actually carrying these goods by road is and will require the driver to be adr trained if i am wrong i stand to be corrected
JJ

JJ192:
I believe delivering isnt the problem actually carrying these goods by road is and will require the driver to be adr trained if i am wrong i stand to be corrected
JJ

Hi JJ192,

Whether ADR applies or not is going to depend on the amount and designation of the explosive material in the fireworks.

ADR allows the carriage of certain amounts of fireworks without the Regs applying in full to the job, but this allowance is further relaxed by UK carriage Regs for domestic transport.