Carryfast:
muckles:
Specialist can still be regular work, but jobs that don’t require an artic, quite often the customer doesn’t want their goods to make up part of a full artic load, maybe the load is high value, fragile, commercially sensitive or they can’t get an artic to the delivery point and they don’t want it transhipped during the journey or it could be purpose built vehicle, such as exhibition trucks or catering trucks.
In which case the advert would state Class 2 drivers required for international work.By definition nothing within that job description about ‘UK Drivers’ or ‘UK Drivers’ needing to ‘upgrade’ because it’s not a ‘UK’ driving job.IE you can’t work here unless you’re an ‘International Driver’ because International is mostly/all that we do and any UK work is only generally as part of an International freight movement.Yeah right.
When the truth is lots of UK work some International but the International work is all reserved for only the elite International chosen drivers as we see fit.Not low grade UK drivers.
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Carryfast:
**customers are willing to pay the costs of operating a 4 wheeler including two drivers v its limited payload,across Europe on a regular basis.**Yeah right. 
I gave you examples of rigids that get driven across Europe on a regular basis, I also gave you reasons why customers would pay for such a service and double manning would be for the same reasons as you might sometimes double man an artic.
I haven’t commented further on the advert.
Carryfast:
The clue was in the description ‘regular’ ( freight movements ).So we’ve got ‘regular’ class 3 UK work for our ‘uk drivers’ and if we’re ( you’re ) lucky some international.
But we do discriminate between elite ‘experienced’ ‘international drivers’,v low grade uk ones,when those jobs arise.Unless I’ve missed something. 
My guess would be that what they are saying is that if you go to work for them you will start off by doing a UK trip or two while they get the measure of you and work out whether you would be a suitable person to send into mainland Europe or whether the only way you would ever be able to do a trip to, say, Italy would be if you were sat at the back of the Sunshine bus licking the windows while the driver found the destination.
No offence meant, obviously.
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
The clue was in the description ‘regular’ ( freight movements ).So we’ve got ‘regular’ class 3 UK work for our ‘uk drivers’ and if we’re ( you’re ) lucky some international.
But we do discriminate between elite ‘experienced’ ‘international drivers’,v low grade uk ones,when those jobs arise.Unless I’ve missed something.
My guess would be that what they are saying is that if you go to work for them you will start off by doing a UK trip or two while they get the measure of you and work out whether you would be a suitable person to send into mainland Europe or whether the only way you would ever be able to do a trip to, say, Italy would be if you were sat at the back of the Sunshine bus licking the windows while the driver found the destination.
No offence meant, obviously.
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all that would happen is that the driver would get fedup and poison the windows. 
I once sent a 7.5 tonner D series day cab Ford to Jeddah circa 1976
Very important job and I found a 5’6" driver with ‘experience to take it’ he was 65 and decided afterwards that was his last trip. We flew him home as a thank you & kept the wagon out there for about 3 months as a useful runaround.
You could have been in line for the job CF, if only you knew the secret hand signs & could touch your toes without bending your knees - plus the other sign which we won’t let on to you.
Oh, and I just forgot, Sid came with a recommendation from Jock Bell ex Astran, Contex & Iran Container Co. 
Harry Monk:
My guess would be that what they are saying is that if you go to work for them you will start off by doing a UK trip or two while they get the measure of you and work out whether you would be a suitable person to send into mainland Europe or whether the only way you would ever be able to do a trip to, say, Italy would be if you were sat at the back of the Sunshine bus licking the windows while the driver found the destination.
No offence meant, obviously.
Yeah right.
So why not just say that in the advert instead of ‘upgrade’ from an obviously ‘low grade’ ‘inexperienced’ class 3 ‘UK driver’.So there we have it you’re a ■■■■■■ low grade UK driver,as opposed to elite international driver,unless/until we say otherwise. 
Carryfast:
So why not just say that in the advert instead of ‘upgrade’ from an obviously ‘low grade’ ‘inexperienced’ class 3 ‘UK driver’.So there we have it you’re a ■■■■■■ low grade UK driver,as opposed to elite international driver,unless/until we say otherwise.
No, sorry, I still don’t understand.
The advertiser is a company which operates 18 tonne vehicles on movements to mainland Europe and is looking for drivers willing to drive to mainland Europe. They would be prepared to employ drivers without continental experience provided that they seem suitable for it and wish to do it, subject to them successfully undertaking a domestic trip or two.
Or have I missed something here?
I mean, Jesus H. Christ Carryfast, is it any wonder that you never did continental work? I posted a link to a company advertising for drivers wanting to do European work and even the simplest Google search will throw up page after page of information about that company, reviews of that company etc etc etc. They have been operating rigid vehicles into mainland Europe for over 15 years yet Carryfast, dustcart driver extraordinaire and the font of all knowledge, confidently states that they do not operate a viable business model.
Do you honestly not think that possibly- just possibly- your failure to obtain work which tens of thousands of us were doing back in the day might be because of personal shortcomings and failures on your part?
The days of me wanting to do Euro work have passed me by due to family commitments and being happy doing what I’m doing, but I reckon I could get an offer of Euro work by the end of the month if I started looking. I’m actually half tempted, just to prove a point, but I know that some people would never believe it if I said I got offers
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Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
So why not just say that in the advert instead of ‘upgrade’ from an obviously ‘low grade’ ‘inexperienced’ class 3 ‘UK driver’.So there we have it you’re a ■■■■■■ low grade UK driver,as opposed to elite international driver,unless/until we say otherwise.
No, sorry, I still don’t understand.
The advertiser is a company which operates 18 tonne vehicles on movements to mainland Europe and is looking for drivers willing to drive to mainland Europe. They would be prepared to employ drivers without continental experience provided that they seem suitable for it and wish to do it, subject to them successfully undertaking a domestic trip or two.
Or have I missed something here?
I mean, Jesus H. Christ Carryfast, is it any wonder that you never did continental work? I posted a link to a company advertising for drivers wanting to do European work and even the simplest Google search will throw up page after page of information about that company, reviews of that company etc etc etc. They have been operating rigid vehicles into mainland Europe for over 15 years yet Carryfast, dustcart driver extraordinaire and the font of all knowledge, confidently states that they do not operate a viable business model.
Do you honestly not think that possibly- just possibly- your failure to obtain work which tens of thousands of us were doing back in the day might be because of personal shortcomings and failures on your part?
And Carryfast has no explination/excuse as to how I ended up doing “elite” continental work even though I didn’t want it and at the time of my first trip ( mentioned further up this thread ) I hadn’t even a passport . How did I make this leap from lowly Uk and Ireland driver to top class continental spec driver ?
beefy4605:
How did I make this leap from lowly Uk and Ireland driver to top class continental spec driver ?
You didn’t just make the ‘leap’ from lowly ■■■■■■ window licker UK driver you also made the proven ‘upgrade’ ( not my words ) to the elite International Driver pool. Don’t understate the level of the miracle which happened here. 
Bringing us full circle and back to Alcaline, this just popped up while I was searching for DCPC courses. Why Kent I am not sure, but it makes interesting reading.
£31k per year
Full Time Permantent
I remember meeting a few of these lads and lasses and they never seemed unduly stressed.
[quote="Carryfast"You didn’t just make the ‘leap’ from lowly ■■■■■■ window licker UK driver you also made the proven ‘upgrade’ ( not my words ) to the elite International Driver pool. Don’t understate the level of the miracle which happened here. [/quote]
Still not too late for you CF, check out this opportunity on the Hungarian TIR Forum on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/cedric.fromentin.3/videos/185676645880901/UzpfSTE0MTUwODk4MjU2MTQ4ODoyOTQ5MjM1MzAxNzg4ODI4/
Why Carryfast would recommend having an international CPC as an asset to international driving i just dont understand, it would have no bearing on experience. Why even a mate of mine has one of those and hes never been abroad in his life…i have both as was needed for my Operators licence, but would never employ someone just because he had one, or a cv for that matter… a can do attitude is the way forward, a willingness to learn is another, and a few other bits and bobs.
When i first started doing continental work back in the day, i had a few years of general haulage under my belt, so it didnt faze me, or the employers when asking about my experience abroad, i told them only france and spain, which they accepted, although i didnt mention it was in my car going on holiday…lol…but there were other tricks to gain employment, which many of us used without any experience, you just used your brain and gathered experience as you went along, each day better than the one before, and a willingness to learn…which i do even to this day. I have been turned down for jobs, by having too much experience…really…just because they wanted me to do the job their way, and not my way, and when i first did middle east work, i had lots of european experience, but they took a chance on my knowledge to go the extra mile as it were, in fact hundreds more…ha ha.
