DCPC Training- my Review

[shep532]

Now then - talking about documents DCPC trainers produce.

I jusy cleared my office out (JAUPT inspection next week) and found some old handouts I produced about quite a few years ago - so not actual DCPC training but same sort of thing.

There was one for the WTD/RTD which I wrote just before the rules took effect in an attempt to arm the lads with the right information and it clearly stated

A mobile worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break of 30 minutes if working up to 9 hours or a break of 45 minutes if working more than 9 hours.
Breaks under WTD/RTD can be taken 15 minutes at a time

Now before everyone gets excited and does the “Here’s another DCPC trainer saying its 30 minutes after six hours work” I sat pondering on why I wrote what I wrote and came to the conclusion that it isn’t actually wrong (although I would word it diffrenetly now). it’s all down to how you interpret the wording.

This is what I mean.
After 6 hours of work a mobile worker MUST have a break if they are going to continue working - I think we all agree on that

If he has worked JUST 6 hours and isn’t doing anymore work - no break needed. I think we all agree on that

If he is going to continue working - therefore will be working more than 6 hours and up to 9 hours he does indeed need 30 minutes of breaks so the statement above is not wrong. If he was going to go on to work more than 9 hours he would need 45 minutes of breaks.

We all know he doesn’t have to take this 30 minutes or 45 minutes of breaks all in one go. They can be taken in 15 minute chunks. We also all know the breaks must interrupt work - therefore can’t be taken at the end of the working period. So this makes my original statement on my old handout literally correct. A mobile worker must not work more than 6 hours without a 30 minute break - I admit it neglects to say only 15 minutes is needed right now and the other 15 minutes can be before 9 hours of work but … if he is working more than 6 hours he does need 30 minutes

Now the reason for my post is that this kind of explains where some DCPC trainers are getting this information from - or why they say what they say. (I don’t mean they read my old handout) but at the time I wrote that handout, that is how I interpreted the rules and it isn’t particularly wrong It all depends how these DCPC trainers are putting the information across I suppose and I can see what they are saying - AFTER 6 hours work you DO need 30 minutes of break … it’s just a wording thing. No matter what happens AFTER 6 hours of work the mobile worker will HAVE to have 30 minutes of break. If they only take 15 then carry on - they’ll not be able to finish their shift without another 15 minutes followed by at least a minute of work.

I suppose if they said “After six hours work must have ‘A’ 30 minute break” then technically wrong … by one letter

Shall I get my coat?

[green456]

Why do dcpc trainers have to clear their offices prior to being audited by jaupt
Isnt this similar to what Rebecca Brookes has been charged with,perverting the course of justice

[shep532]

green456:
Why do dcpc trainers have to clear their offices prior to being audited by jaupt
Isnt this similar to what Rebecca Brookes has been charged with,perverting the course of justice

It’s called tidying up and trying to make a good impression … like keeping your cab clean kind of thing

There again - gotta make sure there’s no trace of all the 1 hour DCPC sessions I did Those were the days …

[wheel_nut]

shep532:
Now the reason for my post is that this kind of explains where some DCPC trainers are getting this information from - or why they say what they say. (I don’t mean they read my old handout) but at the time I wrote that handout, that is how I interpreted the rules and it isn’t particularly wrong It all depends how these DCPC trainers are putting the information across I suppose and I can see what they are saying - AFTER 6 hours work you DO need 30 minutes of break … it’s just a wording thing. No matter what happens AFTER 6 hours of work the mobile worker will HAVE to have 30 minutes of break. If they only take 15 then carry on - they’ll not be able to finish their shift without another 15 minutes followed by at least a minute of work.

I suppose if they said “After six hours work must have ‘A’ 30 minute break” then technically wrong … by one letter

Shall I get my coat?

Pete.
We have had this discussion elsewhere and it is about reading parrot fashion from a book.

A mobile worker must not work more than 6 hours without a break.

of 30 minutes if working up to 9 hours.

or a break of 45 minutes if working more than 9 hours.

Breaks under WTD/RTD can be taken 15 minutes at a time

No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.

Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds six hours but does not exceed nine hours,
the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes and interrupting that time.

Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a
break lasting at least 45 minutes and interrupting that period.

Each break may be made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each.

Now the quoted text is your own, word for word, whereas the blue text is lifted directly from the statutory instrument 2005 / 639 which came into force on 4th April 2005

Of course the original text was written in French and then translated into 24 other languages. Maybe it was easier to quote almost verbatim from Brussels.

As you say, it isnt wrong, and as an “educated” man I can fathom it out, but a trainer is there to coax, cajole, explain, or pass on new knowledge and make sure the subject is understood.

The point of many of the posts on Trucknet, Trucking and various magazines show that many trainers are not doing this, they are quoting verbatim from something they have read, and each time it gets distorted, it is passed off as truth.

“VOSA Said”