I got a 105 space cab 61 plate 2 yrs old end of august not been touched by a spanner faultless 216000 km all i want is
can you stand up-yes
comfy -yes
Good bed-the best
that will do me very much cheers
and yes i would quite happily have another iveco best value for money truck imho
trubster:
I have seen more DAF’s on the hard shoulder than any other truck.Also, had many problems with error messages “Engine Falling Out” “Gearbox Malfunction” “Air Dryer Fault” and that ZB beeping sound goes through me, especially when it will not shut up…
Not a fan at all
Never had these probs wiv my poxy iveco
truckyboy:
So my advice is…stay away from the CF range, for any kind of heavy work, ok for furniture, and light loads, they will run hot with a heavy load, and the intercooler will scream its head off, but will bring the temp down…eventually.
An intercooler will have no bearing on engine temperature whatsoever. What it does is cool the intake air after it is blown through the hot turbocharger.
It goes through the intercooler before it is inducted into the combustion chamber. It is now mostly commonly an air to air heat exchanger, as in the Daf, but could in some cases be an air to water cooler too.
The only time they make a noise is if they leak, if they leak then they’re junk and should be replaced immediately 
newmercman:
truckyboy:
So my advice is…stay away from the CF range, for any kind of heavy work, ok for furniture, and light loads, they will run hot with a heavy load, and the intercooler will scream its head off, but will bring the temp down…eventually.An intercooler will have no bearing on engine temperature whatsoever. What it does is cool the intake air after it is blown through the hot turbocharger.
It goes through the intercooler before it is inducted into the combustion chamber. It is now mostly commonly an air to air heat exchanger, as in the Daf, but could in some cases be an air to water cooler too.
The only time they make a noise is if they leak, if they leak then they’re junk and should be replaced immediately
Sorry I think Pittsburg Power would disagree: An intercooler that lets compressed air escape will result in a loss of manifold pressure, which in turn will give rise to an increase in exhaust gas temperature if an engine is working extremely hard. A significant risk of overheating will follow unless one of these factors improves. This is why they fit exhaust pyrometers and manifold pressure gauges to high performance engines.
Yes, that is true, so if it’s screaming its head off it will be leaking, therefore the more it screams the more induction air is lost, so there will be more heat transfer from the higher EGTs caused by the incorrect fuel/air ratio. So it won’t eventually cool it down. Like I said…
Pyrometers will tell you EGTs, manifold psi gauges will only tell you if you are losing boost if the sensor is after the intercooler, some ECMs take the reading from the VGT gubbins, so they are next to useless at diagnosing a leaky intercooler.
Edit… can’t spell guage 
Newmercman…you are so technical…and tied me up in knots…ha ha i dont really know if it was the intercooler, but certainly when going up a steep hill, heavy, the engine seems to be racing, or something is working harder to bring the temp down, could even be the fan, it only happens under load. For example going up Wrotham hill fully freighted, the engine certainly gets noisier, the temp certainly gets almost into the red, once over the hill, after about a mile or so, it reverts back to normal engine noise. This doesnt happen on every hill, but certainly on the big ones.
Hi Truckyboy, Three noises:
You are almost certainly hearing the engine’s cooling fan cutting in because it is working hard enough to need it running at full speed to cool down the water. The DAF fan is very noticeably noisy (roaring) in comparison to some other makes. Wrotham Hill in summer, either on the M20 or on the old road, is usually a good test to see if the fan actually works when it is supposed to; if its operation is in doubt. The DAF fan will also normally run for a short while after engine start up.
However if you are hearing a loud whooshing/screeching almost sucking noise, virtually every time you accelerate hard, but which immediately ceases when you ease off the throttle, then that is probably a problem with an intercooler air hose or the intercooler (air)radiator itself.
On the DAF (and old shape MAN) the latter noise seems to be coming from inside the dash centre console.
The Turbo makes more of a whistling or screaming type noise from underneath you or out of the window, which varies in intensity with individual vehicles. You can select a visual display of turbo boost on the dash in a reasonably recent DAF, from which you will notice how the noise increases with boost.
Some years ago I spent several hours trying to convince a fairground guy that there was nothing wrong with his ■■■■■■■ flat-top ERF simply because it didn’t make as much noise from the turbo as his mate’s did. Nor would he have it that his air to air intercooler hadn’t got a hole in it.
I think he really wanted ‘go faster stripes’ along the doors.
truckyboy:
Newmercman…you are so technical…and tied me up in knots…ha ha i dont really know if it was the intercooler, but certainly when going up a steep hill, heavy, the engine seems to be racing, or something is working harder to bring the temp down, could even be the fan, it only happens under load. For example going up Wrotham hill fully freighted, the engine certainly gets noisier, the temp certainly gets almost into the red, once over the hill, after about a mile or so, it reverts back to normal engine noise. This doesnt happen on every hill, but certainly on the big ones.
Bob, it must be a Solstor thing, the old (new at the time) F12s they had used to boil up all the time going up hills, they were a lot of fun in Italy, Portugal or Spain 
As cav551 says, it’s the fan kicking in on those Dafs, we have some Peterbilts with the Daf engine and they scream like a banshee when the fan kicks in too
To get technical again there’s a waterless coolant available over here, it has a much higher boiling point than regular 50/50 mix water/gylcol coolant, you can adjust the ECU settings so the fan on temperature is raised and it also doesn’t require a pressurised system, sounds as if those MX engines are prime candidates for a drop of that stuff
truckyboy:
Newmercman…you are so technical…and tied me up in knots…ha ha i dont really know if it was the intercooler, but certainly when going up a steep hill, heavy, the engine seems to be racing, or something is working harder to bring the temp down, could even be the fan, it only happens under load. For example going up Wrotham hill fully freighted, the engine certainly gets noisier, the temp certainly gets almost into the red, once over the hill, after about a mile or so, it reverts back to normal engine noise. This doesnt happen on every hill, but certainly on the big ones.
the noise you heard was probably the electronic cooling fan
cav551:
newmercman:
truckyboy:
So my advice is…stay away from the CF range, for any kind of heavy work, ok for furniture, and light loads, they will run hot with a heavy load, and the intercooler will scream its head off, but will bring the temp down…eventually.An intercooler will have no bearing on engine temperature whatsoever. What it does is cool the intake air after it is blown through the hot turbocharger.
It goes through the intercooler before it is inducted into the combustion chamber. It is now mostly commonly an air to air heat exchanger, as in the Daf, but could in some cases be an air to water cooler too.
The only time they make a noise is if they leak, if they leak then they’re junk and should be replaced immediately
Sorry I think Pittsburg Power would disagree: An intercooler that lets compressed air escape will result in a loss of manifold pressure, which in turn will give rise to an increase in exhaust gas temperature if an engine is working extremely hard. A significant risk of overheating will follow unless one of these factors improves. This is why they fit exhaust pyrometers and manifold pressure gauges to high performance engines.
Let me ask then. If the intercooler is leaking and it has no sensor to say it is. How do you know it’s leaking? Does it make a particular noise?
Yes, it will make a hissing, whooshing or screeching noise, like air escaping from a hose, as that is basically what is happening
It may not be the intercooler itself, it could be one of the rubber/silicon hoses that join the pipes from the turbo to the intercooler or the intercooler to the intake manifold. If the intercooler itself is leaking it will usually be where the air goes in or comes out, the welds crack around the joints.
Manufacturers will run a pressure test and measure pressure loss to determine if an intercooler is leaking, in an ideal world it should hold maximum boost pressure for at least 15secs with no pressure drop. But they all have different values, as these values dictate if a part is replaced under warranty or not, so they’re a bit more relaxed about it and some allow a 5psi pressure drop in 15secs.
A leaking intercooler can lose a good mile per gallon or more, depending on the operation, so if you pay the fuel bill, it’s worth checking for leaks 
In fact a leaking intercooler is the one and only time a lorry can get better fuel economy the harder you drive it, the increased turbo boost will overcome the pressure loss and restore the correct fuel/air mixture for better combustion. It doesn’t always work that way though, usually you get worse performance and economy
norb:
truckyboy:
Newmercman…you are so technical…and tied me up in knots…ha ha i dont really know if it was the intercooler, but certainly when going up a steep hill, heavy, the engine seems to be racing, or something is working harder to bring the temp down, could even be the fan, it only happens under load. For example going up Wrotham hill fully freighted, the engine certainly gets noisier, the temp certainly gets almost into the red, once over the hill, after about a mile or so, it reverts back to normal engine noise. This doesnt happen on every hill, but certainly on the big ones.the noise you heard was probably the electronic cooling fan
yep the £650 electronic cooling fan.
Ive had daf since i started my job 13 years ago, first a cf65 250 then 2 years later got given a cf75 310. Every now and then i still see my old 65 on the M25, and only recently handed the keys of my 75 back due to the chemicals it carried had eaten the body to beyond repair. Both were always carrying max weight without any problems. Only major things on my 75 was a turbo that blew itself apart, lost the prop 3 times, oil seal in gearbox contaminated the clutch and the garage killed the engine ecu when they steam cleaned it once, but other than that, i loved it. Handled like a dream, very comfy with a great bed. Very ergonomic dash and nice driving position. After 800k it didnt like hills much but it was my truck and i loved it. Now i drive a volvo FE340 which is a piece of s#$t. I would have my daf back any day. Granted they ain’t the bees knees but they are in my opinion better than renault and iveco.
newmercman:
Yes, it will make a hissing, whooshing or screeching noise, like air escaping from a hose, as that is basically what is happeningIn fact a leaking intercooler is the one and only time a lorry can get better fuel economy the harder you drive it, the increased turbo boost will overcome the pressure loss and restore the correct fuel/air mixture for better combustion. It doesn’t always work that way though, usually you get worse performance and economy
Newmercman, you just told me exactly what I was hoping you would. My old tank is doing exactly what you just described. It was in for 6weekly yesterday and I asked about it with the mechanic this morning. He said he’d seen no perished, damaged or leaking connection on the induction when he was under it so, I’m guessing the core must be cracked. Sounds like a compressor being drained of air when on demand. I been pestering for a while now over what could be wrong as the wrecker won’t climb and it’s boost pressure is down on the gauge, I can get down to 10mph past the Little house on the prarie. It will never show on a service as it’s about 4yr now since it saw a filter let alone a service. It only got those after it blew the injectors and pump, they were replaced with used! Multi million pound company too, we get treated well 
Big Chris:
newmercman:
Yes, it will make a hissing, whooshing or screeching noise, like air escaping from a hose, as that is basically what is happeningIn fact a leaking intercooler is the one and only time a lorry can get better fuel economy the harder you drive it, the increased turbo boost will overcome the pressure loss and restore the correct fuel/air mixture for better combustion. It doesn’t always work that way though, usually you get worse performance and economy
Newmercman, you just told me exactly what I was hoping you would. My old tank is doing exactly what you just described. It was in for 6weekly yesterday and I asked about it with the mechanic this morning. He said he’d seen no perished, damaged or leaking connection on the induction when he was under it so, I’m guessing the core must be cracked. Sounds like a compressor being drained of air when on demand. I been pestering for a while now over what could be wrong as the wrecker won’t climb and it’s boost pressure is down on the gauge, I can get down to 10mph past the Little house on the prarie. It will never show on a service as it’s about 4yr now since it saw a filter let alone a service. It only got those after it blew the injectors and pump, they were replaced with used! Multi million pound company too, we get treated well
Sounds like fun
It will probably need an air filter by now too, so your leak won’t be as pronounced as it could be as it’s probably only getting half the air it needs to push through the intercooler anyway
Bet you can’t wait to blow the ■■■■■■■ up
I’m not being gentle with it but, the damned thing won’t die! The harder it’s caned the more it likes it.
Oh dear it’s broke, the lower intercooler pipe just happend to break today, no idea how that could have happened. It’s now in the shop having a replacement fitted
We have a few high roof 410 CF’s 44t - autos on 08 plates left in our fleet, most have around 800,000kms on the clock - at least two have had new engines 
oil consumption is high, indicator/wiper stalks often fail, hub seals, drivers seat height control, radio is rubbish, starter motors, adblue system & some warning sign or other usually pops up throughout the day - cabs are also showing corrosion. As a driver I don’t like them, can never seem to get comfy in them 
Anyone know anything about arm extenders hydraulic faults on the 18ton daf chain lift skip wagons, just one of the arm extends an inch or two on its own
Shakey30:
Anyone know anything about arm extenders hydraulic faults on the 18ton daf chain lift skip wagons, just one of the arm extends an inch or two on its own
What make is the equipment?