what2do:
Wow, Bewick, you take the biscuit when it comes to being acerbic and vile when it comes to Carryfast’s posting. Is it a requirement for ‘has beens’ (no matter how successful in the past) to be this negative?Have you noticed how well CF rises above it and has done for several years now, exemplary behaviour. I’m certainly glad my grandpa isn’t as grumpy as Victor Meldrew. Point made…
One of the posters you mention tells the truth, based on things he has actually seen and done.
what2do:
Wow, Bewick, you take the biscuit when it comes to being acerbic and vile when it comes to Carryfast’s posting. Is it a requirement for ‘has beens’ (no matter how successful in the past) to be this negative?Have you noticed how well CF rises above it and has done for several years now, exemplary behaviour. I’m certainly glad my grandpa isn’t as grumpy as Victor Meldrew. Point made…
I think Larry Dunbar is leader of the Carryfast hate squad.
newmercman:
I think Larry Dunbar is leader of the Carryfast hate squad.
Some say that him,zb and Bewick are all busy working on a modified version of the 8 LXB that will be much better all round than an N14 to prove me wrong. 
Carryfast:
newmercman:
I think Larry Dunbar is leader of the Carryfast hate squad.Some say that him,zb and Bewick are all busy working on a modified version of the 8 LXB that will be much better all round than an N14 to prove me wrong.
No need. For applications below 300bhp, the Gardner was the superior engine. If anyone on here disagrees with that, please say so.
Ha ha some things never change 
[zb]
anorak:Carryfast:
Some say that him,zb and Bewick are all busy working on a modified version of the 8 LXB that will be much better all round than an N14 to prove me wrong.No need. For applications below 300bhp, the Gardner was the superior engine. If anyone on here disagrees with that, please say so.
At least let’s keep the comparison in terms of torque from the point when the ■■■■■■■ went into the turbocharged big cam league.In which case remind us how many rpm you’re going to need to make 250 hp by comparison with an E290 and the respective points in the SFC curves. 
[zb]
anorak:Carryfast:
newmercman:
I think Larry Dunbar is leader of the Carryfast hate squad.Some say that him,zb and Bewick are all busy working on a modified version of the 8 LXB that will be much better all round than an N14 to prove me wrong.
No need. For applications below 300bhp, the Gardner was the superior engine. If anyone on here disagrees with that, please say so.
Superior in which regard? Power and torque? I don’t think so…
Horses for courses I’m afraid, in some areas the Gardner wins, but not in all of them and that makes its superiority an opinion, not a fact.
We know the Bewick earned a few quid out of them, but so did many other operators that were running other power plants.
We need to stop this I’m right and everyone else is wrong ■■■■■■■■ as it’s beginning to drag every single thread into an argument. A bit of banter is fine and you can torment carryfast as often as you want, but in a light hearted way only, stop getting personal please, it’s ruining the forum.
newmercman:
[zb]
anorak:Carryfast:
newmercman:
I think Larry Dunbar is leader of the Carryfast hate squad.Some say that him,zb and Bewick are all busy working on a modified version of the 8 LXB that will be much better all round than an N14 to prove me wrong.
No need. For applications below 300bhp, the Gardner was the superior engine. If anyone on here disagrees with that, please say so.
Superior in which regard? Power and torque? I don’t think so…
Horses for courses I’m afraid, in some areas the Gardner wins, but not in all of them and that makes its superiority an opinion, not a fact.
We know the Bewick earned a few quid out of them, but so did many other operators that were running other power plants.
We need to stop this I’m right and everyone else is wrong ■■■■■■■■ as it’s beginning to drag every single thread into an argument. A bit of banter is fine and you can torment carryfast as often as you want, but in a light hearted way only, stop getting personal please, it’s ruining the forum.
Well said that man !!
Just to stick me oar in a bit,
I’ve never had much to do with Gardner engines, me old dad used to drive/own a few and reckoned they weren’t up to much in performance stakes, but yes used to “plod” on forever, apart from the 8 cylinder ones that used to overheat the back 2 cylinders… He used to service an owner driver s ERF fitted with the 8 cylinder one and it indeed ended up having a fortune spent on it,
In my own opinion, probably wrong, ■■■■■■■ did make a blinding hard pulling engine, and, again sorry if I’m wrong but didn’t ■■■■■■■ used to take the hp/bhp ratings from the back axle ?
Where as mercedes volvo scania etc etc used to take them from the flywheel ?
Hence a 290 “on song” ■■■■■■■ used to able to ■■■■ rings round the f89 / 141 of the day ?
Newmercman - the voice of reason. Some people need to shout in order to be heard whilst others can whisper and be heard by everyone. Hopefully, normal service will resume (in a gentlemanly way).
newmercman:
We need to stop this I’m right and everyone else is wrong ■■■■■■■■ as it’s beginning to drag every single thread into an argument. A bit of banter is fine and you can torment carryfast as often as you want, but in a light hearted way only, stop getting personal please, it’s ruining the forum.
Here, here! Robert
Their headgaskets always started to leak oil around 900 K, their fuel system made it impossible to make them economical, STC engine was gutless thirsty POS, Celect engines had bottom end fretting problems, better not try to change bearings, at least they were the first ■■■■■■■ engines that had torque down lown, too bad they kept blowing ECUs all the time.
Apart from those little faults what did you think to them ? Regards Geoff
V8Lenny:
Their headgaskets always started to leak oil around 900 K, their fuel system made it impossible to make them economical, STC engine was gutless thirsty POS, Celect engines had bottom end fretting problems, better not try to change bearings, at least they were the first ■■■■■■■ engines that had torque down lown, too bad they kept blowing ECUs all the time.
Hmm ,sounds like you mean the L10 350 celect .
V8Lenny:
Their headgaskets always started to leak oil around 900 K, their fuel system made it impossible to make them economical, STC engine was gutless thirsty POS, Celect engines had bottom end fretting problems, better not try to change bearings, at least they were the first ■■■■■■■ engines that had torque down lown, too bad they kept blowing ECUs all the time.
This is what the forum needs- people who have proper in-depth knowledge. Please tell more, V8Lenny.
V8Lenny:
Their headgaskets always started to leak oil around 900 K, their fuel system made it impossible to make them economical, STC engine was gutless thirsty POS, Celect engines had bottom end fretting problems, better not try to change bearings, at least they were the first ■■■■■■■ engines that had torque down lown, too bad they kept blowing ECUs all the time.
Well Einstein…Are you going to share with us the benefit of your ‘expertise’…
To be honest…no doubt as previous was the case a lot of negative feedback will follow…
but for the serious participants/readers herewith more info on the celect-principle.
There is more technical stuff but the principle is well-described/explained I assume?
Bear in mind that the PT-fuelsystem dates from 1954 and celect came in 1989 gross 70
years after the ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ was founded.
Some input from respectively a 1981 overview on construction and industrial as well as an article
in 1982 Fleet Owner on the Big Cam…enjoy reading!
Good contributions A-J. I always feel that these documentary pieces of evidence make these threads a more valuable and tangible resourse. Cheers! Robert
Thank you Robert and I agree…on the other hand a lot of people then express their dislikes
out of nowhere…missing exact experience out of operations. Well, I’m glad to post/input out
of my archive…a lot of Fleet Owner input is awaiting scanning, as they were quite neutral in
their opinions…
