And the same Leyland in glorious colour.
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And the same Leyland in glorious colour.0
Nice pic Graham, but who has painted the edge of those wheel rims yellow? Makes it look like a rag mans barrow!
Hi Robroy, Yes WHH 397 new as a 2 or 3 compartment Carmichael of Worcester bulk feed tanker in Pattinsons blue livery but Carr’s were the parent company A photo hung in the traffic office at Silloth as long as I can remember, there was also a box bulker on an Albion Chieftain chassis, WHH eventually was repainted in standard Carr’s Farmfeeds livery Alan Mc Cloud, Willie Glencross and Bernie Henderson all drove it at one time or another. Sold to Sandy Masson at Abbey Town who ran it for a while but getting old by now it passed onto the Slater fairground family in Wigton who took off the Carmichael tank and sold it for scrap I guess. I dont know how Geof Breward the present owner acquired it but it is good to know its still on the road after working alongside it since about 1962. AHH 143B also ended up on the fairground and is currently being restored but I don’t know who is doing the job.
Cheers Leyland 600
Hi Pete Carr’s Leyland Beaver tractor unit was a two pedal model and is being reversed here by its regular driver Dougie Beaty.
Cheers Leyland 600
Leyland600:
Hi Pete Carr’ Leyland Beaver tractor unit was a two pedal model and is being reversed here by its regular driver Dougie Beaty.
Cheers Leyland 600
Hi Gerald,
Thank you for info, AHH 143B I just found your picture of it loading, it will be nice to see it out and about when restored as not many of those long doors about, Cheer’s Pete
Leyland600:
Hi Pete Carr’s Leyland Beaver tractor unit was a two pedal model and is being reversed here by its regular driver Dougie Beaty.
Cheers Leyland 600
Gerald, did you know that J D Carr the founder of Carrs was born and bred in Kendal and was an apprenticed Baker in the Town then he moved to Carlisle as a young fella, apparently he got a lift on a gig with a travelling salesman ( not just sure but it might have been Don Greaves eh! 
) Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Leyland600:
Hi Pete Carr’s Leyland Beaver tractor unit was a two pedal model and is being reversed here by its regular driver Dougie Beaty.
Cheers Leyland 600Gerald, did you know that J D Carr the founder of Carrs was born and bred in Kendal and was an apprenticed Baker in the Town then he moved to Carlisle as a young fella, apparently he got a lift on a gig with a travelling salesman ( not just sure but it might have been Don Greaves eh!
I read Margaret Forster’s biography of JD Carr recently. ‘Rich desserts and captain’s thin’. Well worth it if you can find a copy. As you say, he thought there were too many bakers in Kendal, so set off to walk to Carlisle! But got a lift on the way. She died earlier this year I think. She was married to Hunter Davies, the biographer of another ■■■■■■■■ haulier. IIRC she also wrote ‘Georgy Girl’ - sublime to …
John.
Yes Dennis & John we have to or three of Margaret Fosters books, yes she sadly did pass away earlier this year. Have either of you seeing that you live in South ■■■■■■■ ever traversed the "Millers Road ? Turn sharp left just north of the Jungle Cafe and follow the narrow road up and over the fell then down into the valley grave yard of many wagons out of control coming down Shap. Carr’s apparently adopted this cul de sac a few years ago as this was the route that Jonathon Dodgson Carr took when he first set off on foot from Kendal. We explored this road a few years ago after retiring., here are some photos of that trip, makes you think if ever your wagon had run away coming down Shap.
Cheers Leyland 600.
Leyland600:
Yes Dennis & John we have to or three of Margaret Fosters books, yes she sadly did pass away earlier this year. Have either of you seeing that you live in South ■■■■■■■ ever traversed the "Millers Road ? Turn sharp left just north of the Jungle Cafe and follow the narrow road up and over the fell then down into the valley grave yard of many wagons out of control coming down Shap. Carr’s apparently adopted this cul de sac a few years ago as this was the route that Jonathon Dodgson Carr took when he first set off on foot from Kendal. We explored this road a few years ago after retiring., here are some photos of that trip, makes you think if ever your wagon had run away coming down Shap.
Cheers Leyland 600.
Hiya Grerald, I’ve been walking down that road a few times and I once sponsored a bogie race for a youngsters Club as it is dead safe with no through traffic. But I recall in the mid 60’s there was a Scammell Highwayman artic went over and down the steepest bit, it slithered to a halt half way down ( Change of underwear required by the driver I guess 
) Anyhow it was a light blue colour, one of IIRC Davis’s from Warrington and their wrecker paid a number of visits trying to work out how to get it back. I believe they eventually took it out through the bottom and out via the Millers road, but I don’t think there was a sign on the post in those years. Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Leyland600:
Yes Dennis & John we have to or three of Margaret Fosters books, yes she sadly did pass away earlier this year. Have either of you seeing that you live in South ■■■■■■■ ever traversed the "Millers Road ? Turn sharp left just north of the Jungle Cafe and follow the narrow road up and over the fell then down into the valley grave yard of many wagons out of control coming down Shap. Carr’s apparently adopted this cul de sac a few years ago as this was the route that Jonathon Dodgson Carr took when he first set off on foot from Kendal. We explored this road a few years ago after retiring., here are some photos of that trip, makes you think if ever your wagon had run away coming down Shap.
Cheers Leyland 600.Hiya Grerald, I’ve been walking down that road a few times and I once sponsored a bogie race for a youngsters Club as it is dead safe with no through traffic. But I recall in the mid 60’s there was a Scammell Highwayman artic went over and down the steepest bit, it slithered to a halt half way down ( Change of underwear required by the driver I guess
I had no idea it even existed! Sounds like an ideal destination on my motor bike for investigation!
Thanks for that,
John
John West:
Bewick:
Leyland600:
Yes Dennis & John we have to or three of Margaret Fosters books, yes she sadly did pass away earlier this year. Have either of you seeing that you live in South ■■■■■■■ ever traversed the "Millers Road ? Turn sharp left just north of the Jungle Cafe and follow the narrow road up and over the fell then down into the valley grave yard of many wagons out of control coming down Shap. Carr’s apparently adopted this cul de sac a few years ago as this was the route that Jonathon Dodgson Carr took when he first set off on foot from Kendal. We explored this road a few years ago after retiring., here are some photos of that trip, makes you think if ever your wagon had run away coming down Shap.
Cheers Leyland 600.Hiya Grerald, I’ve been walking down that road a few times and I once sponsored a bogie race for a youngsters Club as it is dead safe with no through traffic. But I recall in the mid 60’s there was a Scammell Highwayman artic went over and down the steepest bit, it slithered to a halt half way down ( Change of underwear required by the driver I guess
I had no idea it even existed! Sounds like an ideal destination on my motor bike for investigation!
Thanks for that,
John
Aye I’ll get the farmer to put some cheese wire across one of the open gates 
Bewick:
John West:
Bewick:
Leyland600:
Yes Dennis & John we have to or three of Margaret Fosters books, yes she sadly did pass away earlier this year. Have either of you seeing that you live in South ■■■■■■■ ever traversed the "Millers Road ? Turn sharp left just north of the Jungle Cafe and follow the narrow road up and over the fell then down into the valley grave yard of many wagons out of control coming down Shap. Carr’s apparently adopted this cul de sac a few years ago as this was the route that Jonathon Dodgson Carr took when he first set off on foot from Kendal. We explored this road a few years ago after retiring., here are some photos of that trip, makes you think if ever your wagon had run away coming down Shap.
Cheers Leyland 600.Hiya Grerald, I’ve been walking down that road a few times and I once sponsored a bogie race for a youngsters Club as it is dead safe with no through traffic. But I recall in the mid 60’s there was a Scammell Highwayman artic went over and down the steepest bit, it slithered to a halt half way down ( Change of underwear required by the driver I guess
I had no idea it even existed! Sounds like an ideal destination on my motor bike for investigation!
Thanks for that,
John
Aye I’ll get the farmer to put some cheese wire across one of the open gates
I’ll see if I can do a Steve McQueen and jump it Dennis!
Aye it will take more than a bit of wire to stop you John ! When you climb up the A6 past the Jungle it is the road that shoots off to your left before you get to the left hand bend then it is a nice run down the little valley, so remember to take your picnic basket with you ! 
Cheers Dennis.
Dennis & John, when you look up to the A6 from the bottom of the valley it makes you stop and think what could have happened to any of us back in the late 50s early 60s with vacuum brakes and well freighted. Does any one remember when Ernie Hartness from Skelton Road End bus on an an excursion to Morecambe ran away and went through the wall and down resulting in two or three fatalities. The driver was from either Caldbeck or Hesket New Market I believe, the bus was a Daimler CVD 6 (Daimler engine) with preselector gearbox and fluid flywheel. I sometimes wonder if the drive created by the revolving flywheel was some how reduced thus putting all the braking effort onto the braking system ending up with fade and the dramatic results.
Cheers, Leyland 600
Leyland600:
Hi Robroy, Yes WHH 397 new as a 2 or 3 compartment Carmichael of Worcester bulk feed tanker in Pattinsons blue livery but Carr’s were the parent company A photo hung in the traffic office at Silloth as long as I can remember, there was also a box bulker on an Albion Chieftain chassis, WHH eventually was repainted in standard Carr’s Farmfeeds livery Alan Mc Cloud, Willie Glencross and Bernie Henderson all drove it at one time or another. Sold to Sandy Masson at Abbey Town who ran it for a while but getting old by now it passed onto the Slater fairground family in Wigton who took off the Carmichael tank and sold it for scrap I guess. I dont know how Geof Breward the present owner acquired it but it is good to know its still on the road after working alongside it since about 1962. AHH 143B also ended up on the fairground and is currently being restored but I don’t know who is doing the job.
Cheers Leyland 600
Thanks Gerald…I knew you would be the man with the info.
That old Albion with the square tank used to sit around the back of Carrs next to an Albion flat bed, presumably redundant and off the road
Before the days of H&S, and security around Carrs, me and my mate as kids used to play around there, and fish off the dock side…about 1968 ish, .
We used to jump in those cabs and pretend to drive them, and believe it or not, start those motors up, 
never brave enough (thankfully) to try and drive them.
We would have got our arses kicked if we were caught, and when I think back, considering how close they were to the docks it could have been nasty.
Kids eh?
Leyland600:
Dennis & John, when you look up to the A6 from the bottom of the valley it makes you stop and think what could have happened to any of us back in the late 50s early 60s with vacuum brakes and well freighted. Does any one remember when Ernie Hartness from Skelton Road End bus on an an excursion to Morecambe ran away and went through the wall and down resulting in two or three fatalities. The driver was from either Caldbeck or Hesket New Market I believe, the bus was a Daimler CVD 6 (Daimler engine) with preselector gearbox and fluid flywheel. I sometimes wonder if the drive created by the revolving flywheel was some how reduced thus putting all the braking effort onto the braking system ending up with fade and the dramatic results.
Cheers, Leyland 600
Was it Harkness or Hartness Gerald ? I recall as “little lad” been taken on outings from the “village” courtesy of the WI ( ( which mother was a great member) to Silloth and Morecambe on a number of occasions, and we travelled on three of Ernie’s coaches, I hope it wasn’t on that Daimler but we never went that way over Shap ! Also I remember Arthur Hewitson being referred to around Penrith as “The Bus conductor” and IIRC Ernie did have a Decker so would this have been the bus Arthur was a conductor on by any chance ? Cheers Dennis.
Leyland600:
Yes Dennis & John we have to or three of Margaret Fosters books, yes she sadly did pass away earlier this year. Have either of you seeing that you live in South ■■■■■■■ ever traversed the "Millers Road ? Turn sharp left just north of the Jungle Cafe and follow the narrow road up and over the fell then down into the valley grave yard of many wagons out of control coming down Shap. Carr’s apparently adopted this cul de sac a few years ago as this was the route that Jonathon Dodgson Carr took when he first set off on foot from Kendal. We explored this road a few years ago after retiring., here are some photos of that trip, makes you think if ever your wagon had run away coming down Shap.
Cheers Leyland 600.
Hiya Gerald, When you look up to the A6 from the valley bottom it looks a fair climb and it is a road I have many times in later years zipped over in the car to Grahams on a Saturday morning to pick up urgent Scania spares for the workshop but my most vivid memories are my time in the mid/late 60’s as mate on the Brady Octopus and trailer, the lightest load we traversed the “Fell” with was the 22ton of insulation coil from Barrow Steel to Renfrew Cables but otherwise all I recall was the heavy loads of plate from Vickers to John Browns and the odd load to Wallsend and these loads were always 25/26/27 and the heaviest I recall was 28 ton to Glasgow. The 680 Power Plus had to really get “stuck in” on the climb and if it wasn’t ■■■■■■■ down I could stick my" heed" out of the window and hear the “tune” of the 680 slugging away ! the drivers side front wheel didn’t half get blacked up which I had to scrub clean when we stopped up the A74 for dinner ( we used to call at my Mothers in Kendal for breakfast( pre-ordered) as it just worked right after running up from Barrow) I once recall we had three Dunlop RB 6’s blowing off the n/s backend of the Octopus in the middle of Shap village, I kid you not, and we were fully freighted with plate , IIRC Gorills from Penrith came out to us and the jack sunk in the tarmac ! Happy days ! Dennis.
This is a shot taken at Levens Bridge of Eric Postlethwaite ( The Guv’nor) standing in fron’t of the Ray Stevens replica Octopus, many years after Eric’s retirement , he was the finest driver of a waggon and trailer IMHO in the UK during the time he drove the Brady’s Octopus he remained a close pal for almost 50years and it was a sad day when he passed away and I attended his funeral in Barrow. You either hit it off as a team or you don’t ( Which Eric used to regale me as to some of the useless ■■■■■■ he had been inflicted with over previous years, and none reigned very long !) fortunately I got on well with him 'cause I listened and did what I was told ,exactly what I was told ! Even when I employed many many Drivers at Bewick Transport I always had great respect for “The Guv’nor” and he knew he always had a job waiting for him with me( if ever he needed) but someone with Eric’s qualities was never in need of help ! RIP Old Mate, you were the best ! Cheers Bewick.
Great memories there Dennis. I think you had a better apprenticeship than me! I worked in the income tax and Glaxo labs until I was nearly 21. Dad had spent a fortune on prep and public school education for brother Andy and me, because he didn’t want us to have to work as hard as he had. He wanted us to be either an accountant or a solicitor. He had many friends who were one or the other, and saw it as an easy way to make a living.
He was probably right, but I remember going out in his furniture vans when I was little and my mother died when we were young, so we spent at least 3 months every year with my Aunt Nell, her sister, who lived at Haverthwaite. Jack, her husband, drove for George C Croasdale and Andy and I did many trips with him in his Leyland Beaver pole trailer - Wigan, Manchester, Bolton, Keighley.
I Hated the tax office and although Glaxo was ok I wanted to drive. I bought a truck before I was 21 and carried Jack’s timber on a ‘contract A’ licence. I learnt about the job on the road at my own expense. I guess sometimes it’s just in the genes!
Eric drove for me in when he was in between Brady’s and Bowater’s - I may have been nominally his boss, but he was happy to give me a bollocking if I wasn’t doing the job right! And hey, who could argue - he knew what he was talking about.
RIP Eric Postlethwaite.
John.